If Only People Understood and Cared

[Deleted member 61768]

Pass the distilled water through a separator to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen then inject the hydrogen into the drive process and fire it with the oxygen then cool the exhaust back into and condense it back into the reservoir to be recycled. No population and fill your tank with distilled water.

I was cheering you UNTIL we reached that paragraph above..

It takes a LOT of energy to separate hydrogen from water. Slightly less to cleanly separate it from light hydrocarbons. So the VEHICLE is not likely to be the place to do the fuel production. I've seen reasonable designs for HOME hydrogen production. They are compact and would fit on a garage wall. But if powered from the grid -- it solves very little. If powered from daytime solar -- it doubles the price.

The fuel cells required for hydrogen cars are pricey, but compare well with high mileage battery cars. So adding the fuel production in would just put it out of reasonable economy.

BUT -- here's a remarkably GREAT application for wind and solar. Wind and solar on the grid are too entirely flaky and unreliable to be alternatives for large scale grid generation.. But using OFF GRID wind and solar at the site of Hydrogen production plants is an ELEGANT engineering use. Because the fuel is STORED, the fact that the "sun don't shine and the wind don't blow" is NOT a problem. It really then becomes "almost free".

Who wouldn't go into large scale hydrogen production with an "almost free" source of energy?

All 3 South Korean car companies have virtually dropped battery cars in favor of hydrogen fuel cell designs. There is a fairly extensive "Hydrogen Hiway" already started in Europe. By 2025, if the dreams come true, hydrogen fueled electric vehicles will surpass production of battery vehicles. And with a LOT of enviro advantages over grid charged batteries, their toxic waste stream and the "dirtyness" of the power that they are charged from. No major need for a 40% increase in electrical grid capacity to support electric cars. The list of enviro and economic wins is very long.

Look people at the point you are centered on I was talking about future research we were envisioning if the Oil Companies and Government would funnel the needed funds into research. The possible eventualities we might achieve NOT what had been achieved only envisioned. Sometimes you have to envision future possible break throughs. We may never get that far and then we may but we will never know unless we try. There are many theoretical possibilities of fuels even magnetic propulsion drive. We will only know their feasibility when we experiment with them and that takes commitment and funds for research.

 

[Lewdog]

Pass the distilled water through a separator to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen then inject the hydrogen into the drive process and fire it with the oxygen then cool the exhaust back into and condense it back into the reservoir to be recycled. No population and fill your tank with distilled water.

I was cheering you UNTIL we reached that paragraph above..

It takes a LOT of energy to separate hydrogen from water. Slightly less to cleanly separate it from light hydrocarbons. So the VEHICLE is not likely to be the place to do the fuel production. I've seen reasonable designs for HOME hydrogen production. They are compact and would fit on a garage wall. But if powered from the grid -- it solves very little. If powered from daytime solar -- it doubles the price.

The fuel cells required for hydrogen cars are pricey, but compare well with high mileage battery cars. So adding the fuel production in would just put it out of reasonable economy.

BUT -- here's a remarkably GREAT application for wind and solar. Wind and solar on the grid are too entirely flaky and unreliable to be alternatives for large scale grid generation.. But using OFF GRID wind and solar at the site of Hydrogen production plants is an ELEGANT engineering use. Because the fuel is STORED, the fact that the "sun don't shine and the wind don't blow" is NOT a problem. It really then becomes "almost free".

Who wouldn't go into large scale hydrogen production with an "almost free" source of energy?

All 3 South Korean car companies have virtually dropped battery cars in favor of hydrogen fuel cell designs. There is a fairly extensive "Hydrogen Hiway" already started in Europe. By 2025, if the dreams come true, hydrogen fueled electric vehicles will surpass production of battery vehicles. And with a LOT of enviro advantages over grid charged batteries, their toxic waste stream and the "dirtyness" of the power that they are charged from. No major need for a 40% increase in electrical grid capacity to support electric cars. The list of enviro and economic wins is very long.

Look people at the point you are centered on I was talking about future research we were envisioning if the Oil Companies and Government would funnel the needed funds into research. The possible eventualities we might achieve NOT what had been achieved only envisioned. Sometimes you have to envision future possible break throughs. We may never get that far and then we may but we will never know unless we try. There are many theoretical possibilities of fuels even magnetic propulsion drive. We will only know their feasibility when we experiment with them and that takes commitment and funds for research.

Banned! Only mods can write their posts in red.

 

[Deleted member 61768]

Pass the distilled water through a separator to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen then inject the hydrogen into the drive process and fire it with the oxygen then cool the exhaust back into and condense it back into the reservoir to be recycled. No population and fill your tank with distilled water.

I was cheering you UNTIL we reached that paragraph above..

It takes a LOT of energy to separate hydrogen from water. Slightly less to cleanly separate it from light hydrocarbons. So the VEHICLE is not likely to be the place to do the fuel production. I've seen reasonable designs for HOME hydrogen production. They are compact and would fit on a garage wall. But if powered from the grid -- it solves very little. If powered from daytime solar -- it doubles the price.

The fuel cells required for hydrogen cars are pricey, but compare well with high mileage battery cars. So adding the fuel production in would just put it out of reasonable economy.

BUT -- here's a remarkably GREAT application for wind and solar. Wind and solar on the grid are too entirely flaky and unreliable to be alternatives for large scale grid generation.. But using OFF GRID wind and solar at the site of Hydrogen production plants is an ELEGANT engineering use. Because the fuel is STORED, the fact that the "sun don't shine and the wind don't blow" is NOT a problem. It really then becomes "almost free".

Who wouldn't go into large scale hydrogen production with an "almost free" source of energy?

All 3 South Korean car companies have virtually dropped battery cars in favor of hydrogen fuel cell designs. There is a fairly extensive "Hydrogen Hiway" already started in Europe. By 2025, if the dreams come true, hydrogen fueled electric vehicles will surpass production of battery vehicles. And with a LOT of enviro advantages over grid charged batteries, their toxic waste stream and the "dirtyness" of the power that they are charged from. No major need for a 40% increase in electrical grid capacity to support electric cars. The list of enviro and economic wins is very long.

NASA wants to create fuel on the moon to help get to Mars.

“You take the ice, you melt it into water, then you crack it into hydrogen and oxygen, and that represents life support from an oxygen perspective. You can breathe it. It also represents propulsion and power,” Bridenstine said.

“Hydrogen and oxygen, that’s the same fuel that powered the space shuttle. And that gives us opportunities to ultimately create power sources and propulsion on the surface of other worlds.”

NASA Wants Space Fuel Station Around Moon

It's an idea many of us studying both chemistry and physics have been toying with my whole generation however many just don't get it.

 

[Deleted member 61768]

Oh, well Lewdog, as I never saw that anywhere. I'm glad you find that so funny. If, I am banned then just delete me form this forum.

 

[flacaltenn]

Pass the distilled water through a separator to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen then inject the hydrogen into the drive process and fire it with the oxygen then cool the exhaust back into and condense it back into the reservoir to be recycled. No population and fill your tank with distilled water.

I was cheering you UNTIL we reached that paragraph above..

It takes a LOT of energy to separate hydrogen from water. Slightly less to cleanly separate it from light hydrocarbons. So the VEHICLE is not likely to be the place to do the fuel production. I've seen reasonable designs for HOME hydrogen production. They are compact and would fit on a garage wall. But if powered from the grid -- it solves very little. If powered from daytime solar -- it doubles the price.

The fuel cells required for hydrogen cars are pricey, but compare well with high mileage battery cars. So adding the fuel production in would just put it out of reasonable economy.

BUT -- here's a remarkably GREAT application for wind and solar. Wind and solar on the grid are too entirely flaky and unreliable to be alternatives for large scale grid generation.. But using OFF GRID wind and solar at the site of Hydrogen production plants is an ELEGANT engineering use. Because the fuel is STORED, the fact that the "sun don't shine and the wind don't blow" is NOT a problem. It really then becomes "almost free".

Who wouldn't go into large scale hydrogen production with an "almost free" source of energy?

All 3 South Korean car companies have virtually dropped battery cars in favor of hydrogen fuel cell designs. There is a fairly extensive "Hydrogen Hiway" already started in Europe. By 2025, if the dreams come true, hydrogen fueled electric vehicles will surpass production of battery vehicles. And with a LOT of enviro advantages over grid charged batteries, their toxic waste stream and the "dirtyness" of the power that they are charged from. No major need for a 40% increase in electrical grid capacity to support electric cars. The list of enviro and economic wins is very long.

NASA wants to create fuel on the moon to help get to Mars.

“You take the ice, you melt it into water, then you crack it into hydrogen and oxygen, and that represents life support from an oxygen perspective. You can breathe it. It also represents propulsion and power,” Bridenstine said.

“Hydrogen and oxygen, that’s the same fuel that powered the space shuttle. And that gives us opportunities to ultimately create power sources and propulsion on the surface of other worlds.”

NASA Wants Space Fuel Station Around Moon

Since there's a dark and a bright side to the moon -- that MIGHT work out if the "factory" is solar run on "sunny side". But without extreme LUCK -- all the H2O is likely on the "dark side" of the moon.

(Yeah it's sarcastic, but in fact, mining water on the moon isn't likely to make it our "interstellar gas station". )

Reality is -- polar regions of the moon are not well lit enough to support hydrogen/oxygen factories there. The material would have to be MOVED from the poles to a more "solar energy friendly" refinery location. So it's NOT CHEAP or simple to make LARGE quantities that way.

 

[flacaltenn]

Pass the distilled water through a separator to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen then inject the hydrogen into the drive process and fire it with the oxygen then cool the exhaust back into and condense it back into the reservoir to be recycled. No population and fill your tank with distilled water.

I was cheering you UNTIL we reached that paragraph above..

It takes a LOT of energy to separate hydrogen from water. Slightly less to cleanly separate it from light hydrocarbons. So the VEHICLE is not likely to be the place to do the fuel production. I've seen reasonable designs for HOME hydrogen production. They are compact and would fit on a garage wall. But if powered from the grid -- it solves very little. If powered from daytime solar -- it doubles the price.

The fuel cells required for hydrogen cars are pricey, but compare well with high mileage battery cars. So adding the fuel production in would just put it out of reasonable economy.

BUT -- here's a remarkably GREAT application for wind and solar. Wind and solar on the grid are too entirely flaky and unreliable to be alternatives for large scale grid generation.. But using OFF GRID wind and solar at the site of Hydrogen production plants is an ELEGANT engineering use. Because the fuel is STORED, the fact that the "sun don't shine and the wind don't blow" is NOT a problem. It really then becomes "almost free".

Who wouldn't go into large scale hydrogen production with an "almost free" source of energy?

All 3 South Korean car companies have virtually dropped battery cars in favor of hydrogen fuel cell designs. There is a fairly extensive "Hydrogen Hiway" already started in Europe. By 2025, if the dreams come true, hydrogen fueled electric vehicles will surpass production of battery vehicles. And with a LOT of enviro advantages over grid charged batteries, their toxic waste stream and the "dirtyness" of the power that they are charged from. No major need for a 40% increase in electrical grid capacity to support electric cars. The list of enviro and economic wins is very long.

Look people at the point you are centered on I was talking about future research we were envisioning if the Oil Companies and Government would funnel the needed funds into research. The possible eventualities we might achieve NOT what had been achieved only envisioned. Sometimes you have to envision future possible break throughs. We may never get that far and then we may but we will never know unless we try. There are many theoretical possibilities of fuels even magnetic propulsion drive. We will only know their feasibility when we experiment with them and that takes commitment and funds for research.

It's a great idea. And there is a LOT of R&D going on. I personally think a Hydrogen fuel economy IS the 21st century energy revolution. But it's not a matter of GOVT funding. There are hundreds of mega and medium size companies already on the case. Just go look up "hydrogen charging stations" on Bing. Or new model hydrogen/electric vehicles.

It's HAPPENING man. Just was taking issue with where the FUEL gets made.

 

[Lewdog]

Pass the distilled water through a separator to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen then inject the hydrogen into the drive process and fire it with the oxygen then cool the exhaust back into and condense it back into the reservoir to be recycled. No population and fill your tank with distilled water.

I was cheering you UNTIL we reached that paragraph above..

It takes a LOT of energy to separate hydrogen from water. Slightly less to cleanly separate it from light hydrocarbons. So the VEHICLE is not likely to be the place to do the fuel production. I've seen reasonable designs for HOME hydrogen production. They are compact and would fit on a garage wall. But if powered from the grid -- it solves very little. If powered from daytime solar -- it doubles the price.

The fuel cells required for hydrogen cars are pricey, but compare well with high mileage battery cars. So adding the fuel production in would just put it out of reasonable economy.

BUT -- here's a remarkably GREAT application for wind and solar. Wind and solar on the grid are too entirely flaky and unreliable to be alternatives for large scale grid generation.. But using OFF GRID wind and solar at the site of Hydrogen production plants is an ELEGANT engineering use. Because the fuel is STORED, the fact that the "sun don't shine and the wind don't blow" is NOT a problem. It really then becomes "almost free".

Who wouldn't go into large scale hydrogen production with an "almost free" source of energy?

All 3 South Korean car companies have virtually dropped battery cars in favor of hydrogen fuel cell designs. There is a fairly extensive "Hydrogen Hiway" already started in Europe. By 2025, if the dreams come true, hydrogen fueled electric vehicles will surpass production of battery vehicles. And with a LOT of enviro advantages over grid charged batteries, their toxic waste stream and the "dirtyness" of the power that they are charged from. No major need for a 40% increase in electrical grid capacity to support electric cars. The list of enviro and economic wins is very long.

NASA wants to create fuel on the moon to help get to Mars.

“You take the ice, you melt it into water, then you crack it into hydrogen and oxygen, and that represents life support from an oxygen perspective. You can breathe it. It also represents propulsion and power,” Bridenstine said.

“Hydrogen and oxygen, that’s the same fuel that powered the space shuttle. And that gives us opportunities to ultimately create power sources and propulsion on the surface of other worlds.”

NASA Wants Space Fuel Station Around Moon

Since there's a dark and a bright side to the moon -- that MIGHT work out if the "factory" is solar run on "sunny side". But without extreme LUCK -- all the H2O is likely on the "dark side" of the moon.

(Yeah it's sarcastic, but in fact, mining water on the moon isn't likely to make it our "interstellar gas station". )

Reality is -- polar regions of the moon are not well lit enough to support hydrogen/oxygen factories there. The material would have to be MOVED from the poles to a more "solar energy friendly" refinery location. So it's NOT CHEAP or simple to make LARGE quantities that way.

Well the problem is, they can only have so much fuel on board in order for the ships to be light enough to fight off gravity and make it into space. By that time however, they won't have enough fuel to make it to Mars. There is a fine line between the amount of fuel it takes to fight off gravity, but not too much to make the ship too heavy and not be able to make it. I think China is actually sending a vehicle to the dark side to see what is there.

China launches probe to explore dark side of Moon - Xinhua

 

[flacaltenn]

Pass the distilled water through a separator to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen then inject the hydrogen into the drive process and fire it with the oxygen then cool the exhaust back into and condense it back into the reservoir to be recycled. No population and fill your tank with distilled water.

I was cheering you UNTIL we reached that paragraph above..

It takes a LOT of energy to separate hydrogen from water. Slightly less to cleanly separate it from light hydrocarbons. So the VEHICLE is not likely to be the place to do the fuel production. I've seen reasonable designs for HOME hydrogen production. They are compact and would fit on a garage wall. But if powered from the grid -- it solves very little. If powered from daytime solar -- it doubles the price.

The fuel cells required for hydrogen cars are pricey, but compare well with high mileage battery cars. So adding the fuel production in would just put it out of reasonable economy.

BUT -- here's a remarkably GREAT application for wind and solar. Wind and solar on the grid are too entirely flaky and unreliable to be alternatives for large scale grid generation.. But using OFF GRID wind and solar at the site of Hydrogen production plants is an ELEGANT engineering use. Because the fuel is STORED, the fact that the "sun don't shine and the wind don't blow" is NOT a problem. It really then becomes "almost free".

Who wouldn't go into large scale hydrogen production with an "almost free" source of energy?

All 3 South Korean car companies have virtually dropped battery cars in favor of hydrogen fuel cell designs. There is a fairly extensive "Hydrogen Hiway" already started in Europe. By 2025, if the dreams come true, hydrogen fueled electric vehicles will surpass production of battery vehicles. And with a LOT of enviro advantages over grid charged batteries, their toxic waste stream and the "dirtyness" of the power that they are charged from. No major need for a 40% increase in electrical grid capacity to support electric cars. The list of enviro and economic wins is very long.

NASA wants to create fuel on the moon to help get to Mars.

“You take the ice, you melt it into water, then you crack it into hydrogen and oxygen, and that represents life support from an oxygen perspective. You can breathe it. It also represents propulsion and power,” Bridenstine said.

“Hydrogen and oxygen, that’s the same fuel that powered the space shuttle. And that gives us opportunities to ultimately create power sources and propulsion on the surface of other worlds.”

NASA Wants Space Fuel Station Around Moon

Since there's a dark and a bright side to the moon -- that MIGHT work out if the "factory" is solar run on "sunny side". But without extreme LUCK -- all the H2O is likely on the "dark side" of the moon.

(Yeah it's sarcastic, but in fact, mining water on the moon isn't likely to make it our "interstellar gas station". )

Reality is -- polar regions of the moon are not well lit enough to support hydrogen/oxygen factories there. The material would have to be MOVED from the poles to a more "solar energy friendly" refinery location. So it's NOT CHEAP or simple to make LARGE quantities that way.

Well the problem is, they can only have so much fuel on board in order for the ships to be light enough to fight off gravity and make it into space. By that time however, they won't have enough fuel to make it to Mars. There is a fine line between the amount of fuel it takes to fight off gravity, but not too much to make the ship too heavy and not be able to make it. I think China is actually sending a vehicle to the dark side to see what is there.

China launches probe to explore dark side of Moon - Xinhua

Backside moon has been thoroughly mapped and probed going back 40 years to the Russians. Same "nothing there" as on the front side. Just different scenery.. Moving ice from the poles to "refine hydrogen" in the sunshine is a BIG trip in itself. Good thing the weather's always nice and predictable.

 

[Lewdog]

Pass the distilled water through a separator to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen then inject the hydrogen into the drive process and fire it with the oxygen then cool the exhaust back into and condense it back into the reservoir to be recycled. No population and fill your tank with distilled water.

I was cheering you UNTIL we reached that paragraph above..

It takes a LOT of energy to separate hydrogen from water. Slightly less to cleanly separate it from light hydrocarbons. So the VEHICLE is not likely to be the place to do the fuel production. I've seen reasonable designs for HOME hydrogen production. They are compact and would fit on a garage wall. But if powered from the grid -- it solves very little. If powered from daytime solar -- it doubles the price.

The fuel cells required for hydrogen cars are pricey, but compare well with high mileage battery cars. So adding the fuel production in would just put it out of reasonable economy.

BUT -- here's a remarkably GREAT application for wind and solar. Wind and solar on the grid are too entirely flaky and unreliable to be alternatives for large scale grid generation.. But using OFF GRID wind and solar at the site of Hydrogen production plants is an ELEGANT engineering use. Because the fuel is STORED, the fact that the "sun don't shine and the wind don't blow" is NOT a problem. It really then becomes "almost free".

Who wouldn't go into large scale hydrogen production with an "almost free" source of energy?

All 3 South Korean car companies have virtually dropped battery cars in favor of hydrogen fuel cell designs. There is a fairly extensive "Hydrogen Hiway" already started in Europe. By 2025, if the dreams come true, hydrogen fueled electric vehicles will surpass production of battery vehicles. And with a LOT of enviro advantages over grid charged batteries, their toxic waste stream and the "dirtyness" of the power that they are charged from. No major need for a 40% increase in electrical grid capacity to support electric cars. The list of enviro and economic wins is very long.

NASA wants to create fuel on the moon to help get to Mars.

“You take the ice, you melt it into water, then you crack it into hydrogen and oxygen, and that represents life support from an oxygen perspective. You can breathe it. It also represents propulsion and power,” Bridenstine said.

“Hydrogen and oxygen, that’s the same fuel that powered the space shuttle. And that gives us opportunities to ultimately create power sources and propulsion on the surface of other worlds.”

NASA Wants Space Fuel Station Around Moon

Since there's a dark and a bright side to the moon -- that MIGHT work out if the "factory" is solar run on "sunny side". But without extreme LUCK -- all the H2O is likely on the "dark side" of the moon.

(Yeah it's sarcastic, but in fact, mining water on the moon isn't likely to make it our "interstellar gas station". )

Reality is -- polar regions of the moon are not well lit enough to support hydrogen/oxygen factories there. The material would have to be MOVED from the poles to a more "solar energy friendly" refinery location. So it's NOT CHEAP or simple to make LARGE quantities that way.

Well the problem is, they can only have so much fuel on board in order for the ships to be light enough to fight off gravity and make it into space. By that time however, they won't have enough fuel to make it to Mars. There is a fine line between the amount of fuel it takes to fight off gravity, but not too much to make the ship too heavy and not be able to make it. I think China is actually sending a vehicle to the dark side to see what is there.

China launches probe to explore dark side of Moon - Xinhua

Backside moon has been thoroughly mapped and probed going back 40 years to the Russians. Same "nothing there" as on the front side. Just different scenery.. Moving ice from the poles to "refine hydrogen" in the sunshine is a BIG trip in itself. Good thing the weather's always nice and predictable.

I think building a base on the moon would be pretty useful. I'm just not sure if it is against the space treaty they have that nations can not create bases that might be considered defense systems. Would it be considered in the same breath that nations are not supposed to make satellite killers either, but we know they have.

 

[Freiheit]

I saw my first hydrogen car demonstration about 25 years ago. The engineer giving the demo fired up the hydrogen fueled engine and some liquid started dripping out of the exhaust pipe. He reached down with a glass, let it fill for a bit and then he drank it! I was floored. Why are we not using this as fuel?

Reasons. Big important reasons accord with very powerful folks plans.

Remember, fascism is the government working with, favoring and controlling industry. If folks tell you that it doesn't exist in the US, Britain of other Western nations, they are lying to you.

"Fascist regimes generally came into existence in times of crisis, when economic elites, landowners and business owners feared that a revolution or uprising was imminent.[9] Fascists allied themselves with the economic elites, promising to protect their social status and to suppress any potential working class revolution.[10] In exchange, the elites were asked to subordinate their interests to a broader nationalist project, thus fascist economic policies generally protect inequality and privilege while also featuring an important role for state intervention in the economy.[11] Fascists opposed both international socialism and free market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism.[12] They favored corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists),[13][14] while also arguing that the state had a role in mediating relations between classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists)."
Economics of fascism - Wikipedia

Corporate interests do everything they can to destroy competition. They have governments pass laws, and the corporate structure buys up patents to make innovation impossible.

In the end? It all boils down to greed and power.


Patent encumbrance of large automotive NiMH batteries - Wikipedia

Here we go again another ignorant fool who thinks he can make words mean what he wants.
The Merriam Webster definition of Fascism:
Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality

There has been one fascist government the Italian after WW1 until the mid 1940s. Fascism has been adopted as the lefts boogey man. Be afraid be very afraid.

 

[MisterBeale]

If the nation and the research had be intensified we might by now be able to fill your car with distilled water. Pass the distilled water through a separator to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen then inject the hydrogen into the drive process and fire it with the oxygen then cool the exhaust back into and condense it back into the reservoir to be recycled.

The ignorance in this post is unbelievable.

You don't just get energy out of nothing.

To separate water into hydrogen and oxygen, you have to put energy into it. If all the processes involved were 100% efficient, then you could then get exactly that same amount of energy back by burning the hydrogen with the oxygen. But nothing is 100% efficient, so at every step, you lose some energy.

You've never going to see a car that runs on water, as you describe. Such a car would need to have some other source of energy, to break apart the water, and whatever that source may be, there will be better,more efficient ways to convert that energy into motion than using it to break water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then burning that hydrogen and oxygen.


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Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance as you obviously were unable to read and understand my post. I am truly sorry the education system failed you.

I'm not sure there is ignorance involved here.

Many posters on this site know exactly what they are talking about.

They seem to have a targeted agenda. From the writing? I sense an agenda.

OTH, you might be right, it COULD be ignorance. It would be instructive for us to view his posts in the climate change threads to be positive.

 

[MisterBeale]

I saw my first hydrogen car demonstration about 25 years ago. The engineer giving the demo fired up the hydrogen fueled engine and some liquid started dripping out of the exhaust pipe. He reached down with a glass, let it fill for a bit and then he drank it! I was floored. Why are we not using this as fuel?

Reasons. Big important reasons accord with very powerful folks plans.

Remember, fascism is the government working with, favoring and controlling industry. If folks tell you that it doesn't exist in the US, Britain of other Western nations, they are lying to you.

"Fascist regimes generally came into existence in times of crisis, when economic elites, landowners and business owners feared that a revolution or uprising was imminent.[9] Fascists allied themselves with the economic elites, promising to protect their social status and to suppress any potential working class revolution.[10] In exchange, the elites were asked to subordinate their interests to a broader nationalist project, thus fascist economic policies generally protect inequality and privilege while also featuring an important role for state intervention in the economy.[11] Fascists opposed both international socialism and free market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism.[12] They favored corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists),[13][14] while also arguing that the state had a role in mediating relations between classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists)."
Economics of fascism - Wikipedia

Corporate interests do everything they can to destroy competition. They have governments pass laws, and the corporate structure buys up patents to make innovation impossible.

In the end? It all boils down to greed and power.


Patent encumbrance of large automotive NiMH batteries - Wikipedia

Here we go again another ignorant fool who thinks he can make words mean what he wants.
The Merriam Webster definition of Fascism:
Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality

There has been one fascist government the Italian after WW1 until the mid 1940s. Fascism has been adopted as the lefts boogey man. Be afraid be very afraid.

I was talking about the economic characteristics of a fascist nation. Of course there are also other defining characteristics we could point out. There are political, cultural, and military characteristics too.

Hitler asked, why nationalize a people when you can nationalize the state. THAT is what I am talking about.

It is corporatism, putting the economy into service of the agenda of the elites, the creation of an uncontrollable, unaccountable DEEP STATE.

I guess Mussolini HE is "another ignorant fool who thinks he can make words mean what he wants." I'm just repeating what that famous fascist once said.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance as you obviously were unable to read and understand my post. I am truly sorry the education system failed you.

Says someone who very obviously lacks an understanding of basic physics.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Fuel from Water - KeelyNet 01/09/02

It's nonsense, of course. The scheme at that link presumes that an internal combustion engine can provide the energy to electrolyze water, to produce fuel for itself, and have enough left over to propel a vehicle. Anyone with even the most basic grasp of the relevant sciences can see that it wouldn't work. It takes more energy to electrolyze water than you can get back by burning the hydrogen thus produced.

 

[Lewdog]

Fuel from Water - KeelyNet 01/09/02

It's nonsense, of course. The scheme at that link presumes that an internal combustion engine can provide the energy to electrolyze water, to produce fuel for itself, and have enough left over to propel a vehicle. Anyone with even the most basic grasp of the relevant sciences can see that it wouldn't work. It takes more energy to electrolyze water than you can get back by burning the hydrogen thus produced.

It might not even matter... NASA has supposedly developed a REAL warp engine similar to what Ray Bradburry invented in Star Trek.

Engage warp drive! Nasa reveals latest designs for a Star Trek-style spacecraft that could make interstellar travel a reality | Daily Mail Online

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Since there's a dark and a bright side to the moon -- that MIGHT work out if the "factory" is solar run on "sunny side". But without extreme LUCK -- all the H2O is likely on the "dark side" of the moon.

(Yeah it's sarcastic, but in fact, mining water on the moon isn't likely to make it our "interstellar gas station". )

Not sure which parts you intended as sarcasm, but you do know, don't you, that the Moon does not have a dark side and a light side? Every part of it goes through a day/night cycle, just as Earth does, albeit much more slowly, since it's tidally-locked to the Earth.

In any event, an important bottom line, completely missed by the OP, is that water does not contain energy that can be released chemically. You can break water into hydrogen and oxygen, which can be burned to produce energy, but to do that, you have to put more energy into breaking the water apart than you will get back by burning the hydrogen and oxygen.

 

[Lewdog]

Since there's a dark and a bright side to the moon -- that MIGHT work out if the "factory" is solar run on "sunny side". But without extreme LUCK -- all the H2O is likely on the "dark side" of the moon.

(Yeah it's sarcastic, but in fact, mining water on the moon isn't likely to make it our "interstellar gas station". )

Not sure which parts you intended as sarcasm, but you do know, don't you, that the Moon does not have a dark side and a light side? Every part of it goes through a day/night cycle, just as Earth does, albeit much more slowly, since it's tidally-locked to the Earth.

In any event, an important bottom line, completely missed by the OP, is that water does not contain energy that can be released chemically. You can break water into hydrogen and oxygen, which can be burned to produce energy, but to do that, you have to put more energy into breaking the water apart than you will get back by burning the hydrogen and oxygen.

There is a side of the moon that ALWAYS faces away from Earth.

55 Year Old Mystery About The Dark Side Of The Moon Solved

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Not sure which parts you intended as sarcasm, but you do know, don't you, that the Moon does not have a dark side and a light side? Every part of it goes through a day/night cycle, just as Earth does, albeit much more slowly, since it's tidally-locked to the Earth.

There is a side of the moon that ALWAYS faces away from Earth.

55 Year Old Mystery About The Dark Side Of The Moon Solved

Yes, but that's not a dark side. The idea that there is a dark side of the Mojon is based on the misconception that there is a side that always faces away from the Sun. There is not.

 

[Lewdog]

Not sure which parts you intended as sarcasm, but you do know, don't you, that the Moon does not have a dark side and a light side? Every part of it goes through a day/night cycle, just as Earth does, albeit much more slowly, since it's tidally-locked to the Earth.

There is a side of the moon that ALWAYS faces away from Earth.

55 Year Old Mystery About The Dark Side Of The Moon Solved

Yes, but that's not a dark side. The idea that there is a dark side of the Mojon is based on the misconception that there is a side that always faces away from the Sun. There is not.

The idea of the "dark side of the moon," is based on the side that always faces away from Earth not the sun.

 

[MisterBeale]

Fuel from Water - KeelyNet 01/09/02

It's nonsense, of course. The scheme at that link presumes that an internal combustion engine can provide the energy to electrolyze water, to produce fuel for itself, and have enough left over to propel a vehicle. Anyone with even the most basic grasp of the relevant sciences can see that it wouldn't work. It takes more energy to electrolyze water than you can get back by burning the hydrogen thus produced.

It might not even matter... NASA has supposedly developed a REAL warp engine similar to what Ray Bradburry invented in Star Trek.

Engage warp drive! Nasa reveals latest designs for a Star Trek-style spacecraft that could make interstellar travel a reality | Daily Mail Online

It would not surprise me to find out that the government keeps a lot of tech. secret from the public.


The public thinks that the press keeps them informed and the technical community believe they have the latest state of the art information, but I don't believe this is necessarily the case. We have precedence for the government keeping tech. secrets for long stretches of time. They do this for national security reasons, economic development reason, or a host of any other reasons.