If God doesn't exist...

[Mudda]

Made people feel better by telling them fairy tales?
The rejection of science?
Making women second class citizens?
Anything else?

You lack of objectivity is showing.

Enlighten us, what good has religion brought?

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves
2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

I didn't ask for all the things religion thinks it does, but what it actually does. Please try again.

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves
2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

Just as an example, religion didn't put a man on the moon, science and men did. That they might have been religious is irrelevant. It wasn't the study of religion that put men on the moon.

 

[ding]

You lack of objectivity is showing.

Enlighten us, what good has religion brought?

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves
2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

I didn't ask for all the things religion thinks it does, but what it actually does. Please try again.

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves
2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

Just as an example, religion didn't put a man on the moon, science and men did. That they might have been religious is irrelevant. It wasn't the study of religion that put men on the moon.

2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

 

[Mudda]

Enlighten us, what good has religion brought?

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves
2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

I didn't ask for all the things religion thinks it does, but what it actually does. Please try again.

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves
2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

Just as an example, religion didn't put a man on the moon, science and men did. That they might have been religious is irrelevant. It wasn't the study of religion that put men on the moon.

2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

Again, here's another example, "2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon." Religion has separated everyone into little groups that all hate each other and think that everyone else is wrong. The result has been a never ending cycle of wars, hatred and the enslavement of women.

 

[ding]

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves
2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

I didn't ask for all the things religion thinks it does, but what it actually does. Please try again.

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves
2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

Just as an example, religion didn't put a man on the moon, science and men did. That they might have been religious is irrelevant. It wasn't the study of religion that put men on the moon.

2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

Again, here's another example, "2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon." Religion has separated everyone into little groups that all hate each other and think that everyone else is wrong. The result has been a never ending cycle of wars, hatred and the enslavement of women.

Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves

 

[BreezeWood]

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do you ask questions because you are afraid to answer them yourself ... troll.

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I don't reject Christ. I believe in One God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. I believe that the Bible is the Word of God. I don't apologize for Christianity. I believe that by any objective measure that Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of man. I believe that you believe that Christianity is evil and would abolish it f you could. How's that? What else do you need to know?

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I don't reject Christ ... I believe that you believe

you haven't the liberty to do both ... the latter seems to be the real bing.


' Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani ' -

represents the spoken religion from antiquity and the final chapter for who spoke it.


try as you may your written text will someday vanish and with it your beliefs, if that is all you are.

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John 14:26, Romans 8:26, Acts 2:38, 1 Corinthians 6:19, John 14:15-17, Isaiah 11:2, Luke 11:13

2 Corinthians 3:17

Romans 15:13

Ezekiel 36:26-27

1 Corinthians 2:13

Ephesians 1:13

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I have chosen the better portion, it will not be taken away from me.

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I have chosen the better portion, it will not be taken away from me.

reading your way to the Everlasting ... good luck.


the "it" you rely on was canonized ~ 395 AD having nothing to do with the event and is a political document vaguely disguised as a religion, readymade for people similar to themselves ... bing. * as proven over history since that time to the present.

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I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

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I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

we are already aware of the direction your religion leads you ... your lack of repentance is disturbing and foreboding for the near future.

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[Czernobog]

God exists.

Because you say so? Sorry, I am a man of reason, and science. I need a bit more than that.

No. Because reason and experience say so. And although you profess to be a man of science you have demonstrated that you do little more than pay lip service to it.

They diobn't, no matter how many times you keep insisting otherwise.

 

[Mudda]

I didn't ask for all the things religion thinks it does, but what it actually does. Please try again.

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves
2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

Just as an example, religion didn't put a man on the moon, science and men did. That they might have been religious is irrelevant. It wasn't the study of religion that put men on the moon.

2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.
a) No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church
i) Modern science was born in the Catholic Church
ii) Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market
iii) The Catholic Church invented the university
iv) Western law grew out of Church canon law
v) the Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life
(1) The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.
b) Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians
c) Religion gave us America
d) Religion gave us incredible artwork
e) Religion gave us incredible music
f) Religion gave us incredible architecture
g) Christianity has spread democracy
h) Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.
i) Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII
j) Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII
k) Christians put a man on the moon.
l) Christians ended the cold war.

Again, here's another example, "2) Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon." Religion has separated everyone into little groups that all hate each other and think that everyone else is wrong. The result has been a never ending cycle of wars, hatred and the enslavement of women.

Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves

It's not the first time that I sent you on tilt.

 

[ding]

God exists.

Because you say so? Sorry, I am a man of reason, and science. I need a bit more than that.

No. Because reason and experience say so. And although you profess to be a man of science you have demonstrated that you do little more than pay lip service to it.

They diobn't, no matter how many times you keep insisting otherwise.

If you are going to blame adherents for doing bad, you must recognize them for doing good.

 

[ding]

I don't reject Christ. I believe in One God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. I believe that the Bible is the Word of God. I don't apologize for Christianity. I believe that by any objective measure that Christianity has been the greatest force for good in the history of man. I believe that you believe that Christianity is evil and would abolish it f you could. How's that? What else do you need to know?

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I don't reject Christ ... I believe that you believe

you haven't the liberty to do both ... the latter seems to be the real bing.


' Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani ' -

represents the spoken religion from antiquity and the final chapter for who spoke it.


try as you may your written text will someday vanish and with it your beliefs, if that is all you are.

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John 14:26, Romans 8:26, Acts 2:38, 1 Corinthians 6:19, John 14:15-17, Isaiah 11:2, Luke 11:13

2 Corinthians 3:17

Romans 15:13

Ezekiel 36:26-27

1 Corinthians 2:13

"]Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 1:13 - English Standard VersionEphesians 1:13[/URL]

"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8:9 - English Standard Version"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8:9 - English Standard Version[/URL]Romans 8:9[/URL]

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I have chosen the better portion, it will not be taken away from me.

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I have chosen the better portion, it will not be taken away from me.

reading your way to the Everlasting ... good luck.


the "it" you rely on was canonized ~ 395 AD having nothing to do with the event and is a political document vaguely disguised as a religion, readymade for people similar to themselves ... bing. * as proven over history since that time to the present.

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I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

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I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

we are already aware of the direction your religion leads you ... your lack of repentance is disturbing and foreboding for the near future.

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What would you like me to repent for again?

 

[Mudda]

What would you like me to repent for again?

For being a hater and an all around asshole for starters.

 

[BreezeWood]

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you haven't the liberty to do both ... the latter seems to be the real bing.


' Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani ' -

represents the spoken religion from antiquity and the final chapter for who spoke it.


try as you may your written text will someday vanish and with it your beliefs, if that is all you are.

.

John 14:26, Romans 8:26, Acts 2:38, 1 Corinthians 6:19, John 14:15-17, Isaiah 11:2, Luke 11:13

2 Corinthians 3:17

Romans 15:13

Ezekiel 36:26-27

"]Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:13 - English Standard Version1 Corinthians 2:13[/URL]

"]Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 1:13 - English Standard Version"]Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 1:13 - English Standard Version[/URL]Ephesians 1:13[/URL]

"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8:9 - English Standard Version"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8:9 - English Standard Version[/URL]"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8:9 - English Standard Version[/URL]Romans 8:9[/URL]

"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 5:5 - English Standard Version"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 5:5 - English Standard Version[/URL]"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 5:5 - English Standard Version[/URL]"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 5:5 - English Standard Version[/URL]"]Bible Gateway passage: Romans 5:5 - English Standard Version[/URL]Romans 5:5[/URL]

I have chosen the better portion, it will not be taken away from me.

.

I have chosen the better portion, it will not be taken away from me.

reading your way to the Everlasting ... good luck.


the "it" you rely on was canonized ~ 395 AD having nothing to do with the event and is a political document vaguely disguised as a religion, readymade for people similar to themselves ... bing. * as proven over history since that time to the present.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

we are already aware of the direction your religion leads you ... your lack of repentance is disturbing and foreboding for the near future.

.

What would you like me to repent for again?

.

What would you like me to repent for again?

that's obvious ...


your political document disguised by religion was canonized 394 AD, to find the Almighty you will have to unbind your transgressions. you must seek forgiveness from your victims.

.

 

[ding]

John 14:26, Romans 8:26, Acts 2:38, 1 Corinthians 6:19, John 14:15-17, Isaiah 11:2, Luke 11:13

2 Corinthians 3:17

Romans 15:13

"]Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 36:26-27 - English Standard VersionEzekiel 36:26-27[/URL]

"]Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:13 - English Standard Version"]Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:13 - English Standard Version[/URL]1 Corinthians 2:13[/URL]

"]Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 1:13 - English Standard Version"]Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 1:13 - English Standard Version[/URL]"]Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 1:13 - English Standard Version[/URL]Ephesians 1:13[/URL]

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I have chosen the better portion, it will not be taken away from me.

.

I have chosen the better portion, it will not be taken away from me.

reading your way to the Everlasting ... good luck.


the "it" you rely on was canonized ~ 395 AD having nothing to do with the event and is a political document vaguely disguised as a religion, readymade for people similar to themselves ... bing. * as proven over history since that time to the present.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

we are already aware of the direction your religion leads you ... your lack of repentance is disturbing and foreboding for the near future.

.

What would you like me to repent for again?

.

What would you like me to repent for again?

that's obvious ...


your political document disguised by religion was canonized 394 AD, to find the Almighty you will have to unbind your transgressions. you must seek forgiveness from your victims.

.

I wish you would be more clear about what you want me to repent about. You should come right out and say it, brother. Stop beating around the bush.

 

[ding]

What would you like me to repent for again?

For being a hater and an all around asshole for starters.

I don't believe you are an all around asshole. I'm sure you have some good with your life. You at least generate CO2 for plants.

 

[Mudda]

What would you like me to repent for again?

For being a hater and an all around asshole for starters.

I don't believe you are an all around asshole. I'm sure you have some good with your life. You at least generate CO2 for plants.

Pretending to not understand what I said? Lame.

 

[ding]

What would you like me to repent for again?

For being a hater and an all around asshole for starters.

I don't believe you are an all around asshole. I'm sure you have some good with your life. You at least generate CO2 for plants.

Pretending to not understand what I said? Lame.

Do you even know what repent means in the context of Christianity?

 

[Mudda]

What would you like me to repent for again?

For being a hater and an all around asshole for starters.

I don't believe you are an all around asshole. I'm sure you have some good with your life. You at least generate CO2 for plants.

Pretending to not understand what I said? Lame.

Do you even know what repent means in the context of Christianity?

It means that you're about to get charred if you don't apologize.

 

[BreezeWood]

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reading your way to the Everlasting ... good luck.


the "it" you rely on was canonized ~ 395 AD having nothing to do with the event and is a political document vaguely disguised as a religion, readymade for people similar to themselves ... bing. * as proven over history since that time to the present.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

we are already aware of the direction your religion leads you ... your lack of repentance is disturbing and foreboding for the near future.

.

What would you like me to repent for again?

.

What would you like me to repent for again?

that's obvious ...


your political document disguised by religion was canonized 394 AD, to find the Almighty you will have to unbind your transgressions. you must seek forgiveness from your victims.

.

I wish you would be more clear about what you want me to repent about. You should come right out and say it, brother. Stop beating around the bush.

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[QUOTE="ding, post: 16002747, member: 59921"]I wish you would be more clear about what you want me to repent about. You should come right out and say it, brother. Stop beating around the bush.[/QUOTE]


no one is "beating" around a bush but you, christian.

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[ding]

no one is "beating" around a bush but you, christian.

You are like a broken record playing backwards. You don't make any sense and you keep repeating it.

 

[ding]

What would you like me to repent for again?

For being a hater and an all around asshole for starters.

I don't believe you are an all around asshole. I'm sure you have some good with your life. You at least generate CO2 for plants.

Pretending to not understand what I said? Lame.

Do you even know what repent means in the context of Christianity?

It means that you're about to get charred if you don't apologize.

I didn't think you knew.

 

[BreezeWood]

no one is "beating" around a bush but you, christian.

You are like a broken record playing backwards. You don't make any sense and you keep repeating it.

.

You are like a broken record playing backwards. You don't make any sense and you keep repeating it.

I'm not the one carrying on a dialog, christian. a simple admission by you of the past history of christianity is all it would have taken ... to deviate from the same path well worn by your kind in the past.

politics disguised in their religious dogma.

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