News Flash: A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen, but it hangs on Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records

[Procrustes Stretched]

His testimony tied Trump to the documents. Since both are liars, and we know that Trump is bigger liar, then we can believe beyond rational doubt that the testimony was truthful

Anyone in Trump's orbit looks to be a liar and a thief. It's the Trump Family Crime Syndicate Show.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Why? So Trump could play to the cameras?


you people are pathetic

I’ve already stated why…

 

[ThisIsMe]

Personally, I wouldn't have watched it if it had been televised. I prefer watching paint dry.

Just use your filter to filter though the filtered spin.

That would be great if we were getting the unvarnished truth

 

[d0gbreath]

That would be great if we were getting the unvarnished truth

That will never happen. Lies, injustice, and the Amerikan way.

 

[airplanemechanic]

inside the courthouse:
Justice Merchan returns and tells Emil Bove, the defense lawyer, that he will give him some latitude to explore the pressure campaign that Michael Cohen said Robert Costello waged during the summer of 2018. But Merchan adds: “I’m not going to allow this to become a trial within the trial” of Michael Cohen. It sounds as if Costello will be sworn in momentarily.


“The defense calls Robert Costello.”

You do realize that this DA is trying to stretch a felony from two dead unprosecuted expired misdemeanors?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You do realize that this DA is trying to stretch a felony from two dead unprosecuted expired misdemeanors?

You have an opinion formed by the MAGA defense team. Good for you.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Anyone in Trump's orbit looks to be a liar and a thief. It's the Trump Family Crime Syndicate Show.

Anyone in Trump's orbit looks to be a liar and a thief. It's the Trump Family Crime Syndicate Show.

some things just need repeating

 

[Billiejeens]

You do realize that this DA is trying to stretch a felony from two dead unprosecuted expired misdemeanors?

But it's Trump

They know that they can't beat him. (us)

For 8 years they have convinced Echo Chamber Cult members that President Trump is the next Hitler.

Coming to the Jury room -

Hey, there was no evidence of a crime, but we can help stop the next Hitler,
how can we in good conscious, not do that?

Will never survive an appellate court, but -

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Opinion
Guest Essay
Jeffrey Toobin

"A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen"

Opinion | A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen

As provocative as the testimony has been, this case may turn on something a great deal more mundane.

www.nytimes.com

Toobin asks "Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records?"

Trump supporters have been attacking Trump's former long time, personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen, just as they have attacked Stormy Daniels and other prosecution witnesses -- even attacking the witnesses who are not hostile to Trump, who even showed a like or respect for the man. But as I've said before -- the case against Trump doesn't rise or fall on the testimony of Cohen alone ("We don’t have to rely on just Cohen’s word. We can believe Cohen because of the receipts, the tapes and the hard evidence.”)

Trump supporters have been attacking people for discussing the historical trial happening in real time. Attacking people for discussing a criminal trial without precedent in the history of the United States, as somehow being an unhealthy obsession with Trump. As if being focused on a former president being tried in criminal court should somehow not be upper most in discussions around the proverbial water coolers. How desperate, pathetic, and sad that is I'll leave up to others to decide.

I like what Toobin has laid out in his article. While I do not claim him as being the last word on this, his insights and opinions are well informed and well argued.




If the jury is told the in instructions what the case is really about? There will be no not guilty verdict, no hung jury. Only a well reasoned guilty verdict.


quotes from reporters inside the courthouse today:

Emil Bove, a defense lawyer, is suggesting that the prosecutors, in their proposed jury instructions, has shifted their theory of the case. It sounds like he’s talking about the state election law that underlies the felony business records charges against Trump. Justice Merchan doesn’t seem to agree, but in any case, he says, the prosecution’s proposal for jury instructions holds no weight at the moment. It is only a proposal.

“Just relax,” Merchan tells the defense lawyer, as he continues to argue. Nothing, he signals, has been determined yet.

Bove continues to argue. He can tell that the judge is frustrated, but it’s clear that Bove is, too. If he believes that the prosecution changed its theory of the case in these final weeks, it would help to explain why he’s irate. Merchan seems to understand that, as Bove continues to push for more testimony from their proposed expert witness on election law.

Trump folds his arms over his chest as Bove finishes his argument. He then starts whispering to his lawyer as Matthew Colangelo, a prosecutor, begins to address the court.

Matthew Colangelo, a prosecutor, stands up and fights back. He says that “there’s nothing new at all” about the theory to which the defense is objecting. In short: the charges against Trump are felonies because prosecutors have argued that he falsified business records to conceal another crime. They have signaled that other crime was seeking to promote his own election "by unlawful means," in violation of state election law. That introduces a third potential crime.

So, if you’re keeping score, that’s three potential crimes, all wrapped into each of the 34 felony charges of falsifying business records.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/20/nyregion/trump-trial-hush-money

Interesting day.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Expect Jury to Convict Trump: Cobb on Hush Money Trial​

May 21st, 2024, 4:30 PM PDT
Ty Cobb, former Special Counsel to President Trump & former Federal Prosecutor, shares his insight on why the public has to wait a week before the jury will be able to deliberate on former President Donald Trump's hush money trial. Cobb states that he expects the jury to convict Trump, and talks about why he thinks the former President did not testify in his own defense. Ty Cobb speaks with Kailey Leinz and Joe Mathieu on Bloomberg's 'Balance of Power." (Source: Bloomberg)

 

[Billiejeens]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Expect Jury to Convict Trump: Cobb on Hush Money Trial​

May 21st, 2024, 4:30 PM PDT
Ty Cobb, former Special Counsel to President Trump & former Federal Prosecutor, shares his insight on why the public has to wait a week before the jury will be able to deliberate on former President Donald Trump's hush money trial. Cobb states that he expects the jury to convict Trump, and talks about why he thinks the former President did not testify in his own defense. Ty Cobb speaks with Kailey Leinz and Joe Mathieu on Bloomberg's 'Balance of Power." (Source: Bloomberg)

A lot of people think that the jury will convict him,
Here's why.

Coming to the Jury room -

Hey, there was no evidence of a crime, but we can help stop the next Hitler,
how can we in good conscious, not do that?

Of course, the 25,000 (est) that showed up in The Bronx may suggest a different outcome.

Will never survive an appellate court, regardless.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

A lot of people think that the jury will convict him,
Here's why.

Coming to the Jury room -

Hey, there was no evidence of a crime, but we can help stop the next Hitler,
how can we in good conscious, not do that?

Of course, the 25,000 (est) that showed up in The Bronx may suggest a different outcome.

Will never survive an appellate court, regardless.

2,500 not 25,000

You people are like Trump declaring how large his office is, his inauguration crowd was, how rich he is ...

 

[Billiejeens]

2,500 not 25,000

You people are like Trump declaring how large his office is, his inauguration crowd was, how rich he is ...

Poor troll

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The crowd may have been 1,500 in number.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Poor troll

Yuge!

 

[skews13]

Opinion
Guest Essay
Jeffrey Toobin

"A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen"

Opinion | A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen

As provocative as the testimony has been, this case may turn on something a great deal more mundane.

www.nytimes.com

Toobin asks "Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records?"

Trump supporters have been attacking Trump's former long time, personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen, just as they have attacked Stormy Daniels and other prosecution witnesses -- even attacking the witnesses who are not hostile to Trump, who even showed a like or respect for the man. But as I've said before -- the case against Trump doesn't rise or fall on the testimony of Cohen alone ("We don’t have to rely on just Cohen’s word. We can believe Cohen because of the receipts, the tapes and the hard evidence.”)

Trump supporters have been attacking people for discussing the historical trial happening in real time. Attacking people for discussing a criminal trial without precedent in the history of the United States, as somehow being an unhealthy obsession with Trump. As if being focused on a former president being tried in criminal court should somehow not be upper most in discussions around the proverbial water coolers. How desperate, pathetic, and sad that is I'll leave up to others to decide.

I like what Toobin has laid out in his article. While I do not claim him as being the last word on this, his insights and opinions are well informed and well argued.




If the jury is told the in instructions what the case is really about? There will be no not guilty verdict, no hung jury. Only a well reasoned guilty verdict.


quotes from reporters inside the courthouse today:

Emil Bove, a defense lawyer, is suggesting that the prosecutors, in their proposed jury instructions, has shifted their theory of the case. It sounds like he’s talking about the state election law that underlies the felony business records charges against Trump. Justice Merchan doesn’t seem to agree, but in any case, he says, the prosecution’s proposal for jury instructions holds no weight at the moment. It is only a proposal.

“Just relax,” Merchan tells the defense lawyer, as he continues to argue. Nothing, he signals, has been determined yet.

Bove continues to argue. He can tell that the judge is frustrated, but it’s clear that Bove is, too. If he believes that the prosecution changed its theory of the case in these final weeks, it would help to explain why he’s irate. Merchan seems to understand that, as Bove continues to push for more testimony from their proposed expert witness on election law.

Trump folds his arms over his chest as Bove finishes his argument. He then starts whispering to his lawyer as Matthew Colangelo, a prosecutor, begins to address the court.

Matthew Colangelo, a prosecutor, stands up and fights back. He says that “there’s nothing new at all” about the theory to which the defense is objecting. In short: the charges against Trump are felonies because prosecutors have argued that he falsified business records to conceal another crime. They have signaled that other crime was seeking to promote his own election "by unlawful means," in violation of state election law. That introduces a third potential crime.

So, if you’re keeping score, that’s three potential crimes, all wrapped into each of the 34 felony charges of falsifying business records.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/20/nyregion/trump-trial-hush-money

Interesting day.

It only has to partially show his intent to falsify records to hide payments to effect the campaign. Which Hope Hicks, David Pecker, and the supporting documents show.

There is no question that the prosecution has proven the case beyond a reasonable doubt. The verdict hinges on whether or not there is a least one magat on the jury that will vote not guilty.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It only has to partially show his intent to falsify records to hide payments to effect the campaign. Which Hope Hicks, David Pecker, and the supporting documents show.

There is no question that the prosecution has proven the case beyond a reasonable doubt. The verdict hinges on whether or not there is a least one magat on the jury that will vote not guilty.

A hung jury? So what. Trump has gone down in history as a criminal defendant, as well as a court-decided sexual predator.

 

[beagle9]

Opinion
Guest Essay
Jeffrey Toobin

"A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen"

Opinion | A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen

As provocative as the testimony has been, this case may turn on something a great deal more mundane.

www.nytimes.com

Toobin asks "Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records?"

Trump supporters have been attacking Trump's former long time, personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen, just as they have attacked Stormy Daniels and other prosecution witnesses -- even attacking the witnesses who are not hostile to Trump, who even showed a like or respect for the man. But as I've said before -- the case against Trump doesn't rise or fall on the testimony of Cohen alone ("We don’t have to rely on just Cohen’s word. We can believe Cohen because of the receipts, the tapes and the hard evidence.”)

Trump supporters have been attacking people for discussing the historical trial happening in real time. Attacking people for discussing a criminal trial without precedent in the history of the United States, as somehow being an unhealthy obsession with Trump. As if being focused on a former president being tried in criminal court should somehow not be upper most in discussions around the proverbial water coolers. How desperate, pathetic, and sad that is I'll leave up to others to decide.

I like what Toobin has laid out in his article. While I do not claim him as being the last word on this, his insights and opinions are well informed and well argued.




If the jury is told the in instructions what the case is really about? There will be no not guilty verdict, no hung jury. Only a well reasoned guilty verdict.


quotes from reporters inside the courthouse today:

Emil Bove, a defense lawyer, is suggesting that the prosecutors, in their proposed jury instructions, has shifted their theory of the case. It sounds like he’s talking about the state election law that underlies the felony business records charges against Trump. Justice Merchan doesn’t seem to agree, but in any case, he says, the prosecution’s proposal for jury instructions holds no weight at the moment. It is only a proposal.

“Just relax,” Merchan tells the defense lawyer, as he continues to argue. Nothing, he signals, has been determined yet.

Bove continues to argue. He can tell that the judge is frustrated, but it’s clear that Bove is, too. If he believes that the prosecution changed its theory of the case in these final weeks, it would help to explain why he’s irate. Merchan seems to understand that, as Bove continues to push for more testimony from their proposed expert witness on election law.

Trump folds his arms over his chest as Bove finishes his argument. He then starts whispering to his lawyer as Matthew Colangelo, a prosecutor, begins to address the court.

Matthew Colangelo, a prosecutor, stands up and fights back. He says that “there’s nothing new at all” about the theory to which the defense is objecting. In short: the charges against Trump are felonies because prosecutors have argued that he falsified business records to conceal another crime. They have signaled that other crime was seeking to promote his own election "by unlawful means," in violation of state election law. That introduces a third potential crime.

So, if you’re keeping score, that’s three potential crimes, all wrapped into each of the 34 felony charges of falsifying business records.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/20/nyregion/trump-trial-hush-money

Interesting day.

... The problem you people can't escape, is that a complete idiot knows that this case was brought in hopes to affect negatively Trumps run for office of the Presidency again. There'll be no separating that fact no matter how hard you people try too. It's a done deal, and the Trump train is on the way.

Hey you all tried, but it didn't work, so go pound sand.

 

[whitehall]

They have been investigating the "business records" of Nancy Pelosi and her husband for years for insider trading but there won't be a prosecution. If the NY judicial system decided to examine the "business records" of every corporation in the Big Apple and prosecute on frivolous charges the city would become one vast wasteland.

 

[beagle9]

Interesting reporting from inside:

"Are you staring me down?": Judge clears the courtroom to severely admonish Costello

Minutes after he took the stand, Merchan severely admonished Costello over his behavior on the stand and ordered the courtroom cleared in an extremely rare move.

"If you don't like my ruling, you don't say 'geez.' You don't say 'strike it.' Because I'm the only one who can strike testimony," Merchan told Costello. "If you don't like my ruling, you don't give me side eye and you don't roll your eyes."

Costello had said "geez" after an objection was sustained following a defense question. He also made an exasperated "pfft" noise after another sustained objection.

After issuing the stern instructions to Costello, Merchan asked in a raised voice, "Are you staring me down?" On the audio feed in a nearby overflow room, Costello could be heard asking Merchan, "Do you want the answer to the question?"

"Remain quiet," Merchan said.

Prior to this exchange, the judge told Costello not to answer when he sustains an objection. Many of the questions asked by Trump's lawyer were objected to and sustained, seemingly due to the limited scope of what Merchan allowed Costello to testify about.

Sounds like a weak guilty minded judge, for whom undoubtedly appears to be so paranoid about what he is doing, that he's actually looking at a person and assuming that the person is somehow starring him down ??? ... I swear you just can't make this script up, because it's so readable and transparent on what is taking place.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

... The problem you people can't escape, is that a complete idiot knows that this case was brought in hopes to affect negatively Trumps run for office of the Presidency again. There'll be no separating that fact no matter how hard you people try too. It's a done deal, and the Trump train is on the way.

Hey you all tried, but it didn't work, so go pound sand.

The Trump trainwreck is just around the corner.