The "warmers" here are not challenging the surface air pressure data, which shows no increase = Co2 Fraud completely busted on "warming/ice melt"

[EMH]

It is over. It was always over. Two days ago this topic started, and documented that Earth's surface air pressure shows a flat line slightly ticking down.

Co2 Fraud hasn't fudged all data, surface air pressure for one....

The Co2 FRAUD is run by very lame "climate scientists" who flat out aren't very good at science at all. They are good at lying, fudging data, and censoring truth. But there is data, and it isn't friendly to the Co2 FRAUD, which is why the Co2 FRAUD fudges everything they think they need to...

www.usmessageboard.com

The warmers have all read it and have yet to even challenge it... because they can't. It isn't a speculation or a theory, this is a COMPLETE REFUTATION.


The warmers argue that


1. Earth temperature is rising. If so, that would push Surface Air Pressure higher

2. There is an ongoing net ice melt. If so, that would release a huge amount of compressed gas trapped in glacier ice, and in doing so would increase surface air pressure.


There is no dispute that we are taking hydrocarbons from the ground and burning, creating hydrocarbon + O2 = Co2 and H2O. The main issue there is Co2, and Co2 has increased in the atmosphere, and that would in theory increase surface air pressure too. But that is 1% of 1% of Earth's atmosphere, 0.0001 aka tiny and likely statistically insignificant. The equation for Co2 also doesn't increase the number of gas molecules, but rather increases the mass of each in the air from O2 to Co2. The excess H2O naturally joins the rest and should very slightly increase ocean levels. But the bias is still increasing atmospheric mass.


What would cause Surface Air Pressure to drop?

1. an INCREASE in Earth ice
2. a drop in temperature


So how can the Co2 Fraud explain how Earth is warming, ice is melting, but Surface Air Pressure is slightly down...???

This gets funny....

Well, since "we know temperatures are rising" then the ice must be increasing to counter that .... so Warming = increasing ice = LOL!!!!

And if "we know the ice is melting" then a massive temperature drop must be happening to counter the increase in atmospheric gas from the "melting glaicers" ... Cooling is melting glaciers now...

TOO FUNNY!!!

The conflict over Antarctic ice growth has been at the center of the Co2 Fraud all along. The Co2 Fraud cannot survive a conclusion that 90% of Earth ice on land mass Antarctica has been growing every year since Algore first originated the hoax. It knows it. But there is NO WAY TO EXPLAIN a flat to down surface air pressure reading without Antarctic ice growth. That's why the first thread got no response from the warmers here.


"When Physical Laws do not apply, there is no reality" = Mr. Spock

The Physical Laws state that if Earth is warming and ice is melting SURFACE AIR PRESSURE SHOULD BE RISING, but it isn't. Hence, there is "no reality" to the Co2 Fraud and there never was any.




We went to court in 2007.

Court Identifies Eleven Inaccuracies in Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’

Here's something American media are virtually guaranteed to not report: a British court has determined that Al Gore's schlockumentary "An Inconvenient Truth" contains at least eleven material falsehoods. It seems a safe bet Matt Lauer and Diane Sawyer won't be discussing this Tuesday morning...

www.newsbusters.org

"The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing."
NASA put this raw data out

Study: Mass gains of Antarctic ice sheet greater than losses - NASA Science

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

science.nasa.gov

The Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.




Bottom line - the Surface Air Pressure reading proves the Co2 Fraud's narrative of melting ice and warming is 100% fraud. Antarctic ice is increasing, which is why the oceans are not rising and why Earth is not warming.

 

[Donald H]

Your credibility won't allow you to carry the ball anymore for the denialist side. You blew it when you showed the statue in two photos a hundred years apart, and didn't take into account that there are tides.

Admit to that and you can start to redeem yourself to your faithful.

 

[EMH]

Your credibility won't allow you to carry the ball anymore for the denialist side. You blew it when you showed the statue in two photos a hundred years apart, and didn't take into account that there are tides.

Admit to that and you can start to redeem yourself to your faithful.

LOL!!!

So every single time we show an old photo next to a new photo, the "old photo" ALWAYS was at precisely the highest tide....


Certainly you can find ONE SINGLE PHOTO set which shows ocean rise for us, since not all old photos were really snapped off right at high tide....


but, since there aren't any such photos, your side lies and says they were all at high tide....

So the 1898 and 1920 photos were ALL done at high tide... LOL!!! but the 2020 must be at low tide, right....

LOL!!!

Every time, only done when the moon is right over the torch....

IQ<5 necessary to believe Co2 Fraud...

 

[Donald H]

LOL!!!

So every single time we show an old photo next to a new photo, the "old photo" ALWAYS was at precisely the highest tide....

No!
But you could search out some real evidence to show that high water mark hasn't changed!

And some prior warning that we have solid evidence already prepared to say that it 'has' changed.

It simply has changed. Do you know how much?

 

[Cougarbear]

Your credibility won't allow you to carry the ball anymore for the denialist side. You blew it when you showed the statue in two photos a hundred years apart, and didn't take into account that there are tides.

Admit to that and you can start to redeem yourself to your faithful.

Why are you unable to react to the scientific articles that prove you warmer nuts are the liars? The fact is, the oceans are not rising. They can shift a bit here and there. But, the idea that we are going to be underwater soon and the ice is melting isn't substantiated with scientific fact that the air pressure should then be rising.
The pictures of the Statue of Liberty from 1898 and 2013 (7) show no change. But, the warmers counter with the idea that the time in which the pictures were taken can be misleading to do tidal differences of the day. Yet, there is no mention of the time the pictures were taken. So, the warmers conclusions have to be taken as false to for the very same reason. What I will say is that based on the shadows of the Statue of Liberty suggest the approximate same time of the day for both pictures. So, I question the science used to say the oceans are rising. There is no evidence on any coastline around the world.

 

[Donald H]

NOAA: [quote\

• In 2022, global average sea level set a new record high—101.2 mm (4 inches) above 1993 levels.
• The rate of global sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.

 

[EMH]

No!
But you could search out some real evidence to show that high water mark hasn't changed!

And some prior warning that we have solid evidence already prepared to say that it 'has' changed.

It simply has changed. Do you know how much?

If it has "changed" as you say then SHOW US A PHOTO DOCUMENTING THAT CHANGE

WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF COLOR FUDGE CHARTS

THERE IS NO OCEAN RISE

YOU CANNOT PROVIDE ONE SINGLE PHOTO OF SUCH OCEAN "RISE" BECAUSE THERE IS NONE

 

[EMH]

Why are you unable to react to the scientific articles that prove you warmer nuts are the liars? The fact is, the oceans are not rising. They can shift a bit here and there. But, the idea that we are going to be underwater soon and the ice is melting isn't substantiated with scientific fact that the air pressure should then be rising.
The pictures of the Statue of Liberty from 1898 and 2013 (7) show no change. But, the warmers counter with the idea that the time in which the pictures were taken can be misleading to do tidal differences of the day. Yet, there is no mention of the time the pictures were taken. So, the warmers conclusions have to be taken as false to for the very same reason. What I will say is that based on the shadows of the Statue of Liberty suggest the approximate same time of the day for both pictures. So, I question the science used to say the oceans are rising. There is no evidence on any coastline around the world.

and THAT is why they cannot show ONE SINGLE PHOTO

 

[Donald H]

Why are you unable to react to the scientific articles that prove you warmer nuts are the liars?

Because that's not the point that I'm making with him.
IF you're going to jump aboard with him, you're risking your own credibility unless he admits he was wrong. I have no incentive, the way it stands, to debate either of you.

• In 2022, global average sea level set a new record high—101.2 mm (4 inches) above 1993 levels.
• The rate of global sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.

Those are the rules here!

 

[EMH]

In 2022, global average sea level set a new record high—101.2 mm (4 inches) above 1993 levels.

100% pure FUDGED FRAUD documented as such by NASA

The rate of global sea level rise is accelerating

And this is how laughable it really gets. IF there really was an ongoing net ice melt and oceans were rising....

THERE WOULD BE A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN SURFACE AIR PRESSURE


but there isn't....

 

[Cougarbear]

Because that's not the point that I'm making with him.
IF you're going to jump aboard with him, you're risking your own credibility unless he admits he was wrong. I have no incentive, the way it stands, to debate either of you.

• In 2022, global average sea level set a new record high—101.2 mm (4 inches) above 1993 levels.
• The rate of global sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.

Those are the rules here!

I would debate the study and find out how they came to this conclusion. Did tides have anything to do with where they were making the conclusions? Probably. You automatically conclude they are correct with no possible error. What about the fact pressure is going down? That means the sea is not rising. And, show us some pictures of how the water rises are making the beaches go further inland anywhere in the world. They aren't. Doesn't mean they won't. We know the earth throughout history has looked different when it comes to water. The Bonneville lake in Utah is mostly gone except for Salt Lake and Orem Lake.

 

[Donald H]

Why are you unable to react to the scientific articles that prove you warmer nuts are the liars? The fact is, the oceans are not rising. They can shift a bit here and there. But, the idea that we are going to be underwater soon and the ice is melting isn't substantiated with scientific fact that the air pressure should then be rising.
The pictures of the Statue of Liberty from 1898 and 2013 (7) show no change. But, the warmers counter with the idea that the time in which the pictures were taken can be misleading to do tidal differences of the day. Yet, there is no mention of the time the pictures were taken. So, the warmers conclusions have to be taken as false to for the very same reason. What I will say is that based on the shadows of the Statue of Liberty suggest the approximate same time of the day for both pictures. So, I question the science used to say the oceans are rising. There is no evidence on any coastline around the world.

Are you really so misinformed or uninformed, that you would think that tides correspond to the time of day??
Now we have at least established that you and him are worthy of each other! LOL

 

[EMH]

What about the fact pressure is going down?

That is an ABSOLUTE BUST of the Co2 FRAUD and proves there is

NO WARMING
NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT

 

[EMH]

Are you really so misinformed or uninformed, that you would think that tides correspond to the time of day??
Now we have at least established that you and him are worthy of each other! LOL

Post #3 above, busted lying, nice try...

Every time, only done when the moon is right over the torch....

 

[EMH]

I would debate the study and find out how they came to this conclusion. Did tides have anything to do with where they were making the conclusions? Probably. You automatically conclude they are correct with no possible error. What about the fact pressure is going down? That means the sea is not rising. And, show us some pictures of how the water rises are making the beaches go further inland anywhere in the world. They aren't. Doesn't mean they won't. We know the earth throughout history has looked different when it comes to water. The Bonneville lake in Utah is mostly gone except for Salt Lake and Orem Lake.

The US Military on the Front Lines of Rising Seas (2016)

This isn't even really new. (except to numb nuts deniers) The Navy and other branches are already aware of Rising Sea Levels, and it has already caused problems. This from the Union of Concerned Scientists, not just a climate group, but dealing in issuing reports on all disciplines of science...

www.usmessageboard.com

This crap about Norfolk Naval Base is busted with a simple trip to Google images...

https://www.google.com/search?q=norfolk+naval+base&sca_esv=1a58b9be7c98827f&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS1110&udm=2&prmd=imnvsbtz&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:y&uds=ADvngMgM3sJHGRUUapkgumPBd1g4ZyvlRIH4A0JT0QdlQkUVxXJ29kuKJXdY8EEa9eZC81YrutwcOEpEI8EbHuoXKAtLsY0EUG6pv57GXUuV0O1Rxe5VJnvVDnKtLXhSOhIoM87ccf0xy7DjK-rBVwsqktnEYVudQMAxpGz62shk2sga9BySMRe7TfGkNg-v_baayEyJRZkMD2GFURckPU94o13AfmzSqSEhirUJCznV-dDus2VWwS2Kt4nxWPpVud6hxR2fEbgRVjgXPZnwyJlWhd2eRMSd79SUvguticcrxGDRPnfpSpcXIykI_tjCle9kPSH0kEB25n6bdH7a-JBLNIbZ4k4SpA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjly67E842GAxVBgIQIHQ0GDy0QpwV6BAgCEDA&biw=1920&bih=953&dpr=1

that is google images searched for "Norfolk Naval Base" and within the past year.... NO OCEAN RISE.

 

[Cougarbear]

Are you really so misinformed or uninformed, that you would think that tides correspond to the time of day??
Now we have at least established that you and him are worthy of each other! LOL

You just proved our argument. Way to go Al Gore

 

[Donald H]

You just proved our argument. Way to go Al Gore

The proof that glaciers are melting faster than they melted 100 years ago is as plain as the nose on your face by simply looking at how fast your ice cream cone is melting. (no more than an inch below your nose.)

Seriously though, You climbed aboard with that asshole and you blow your reputation as being serious.

Not to even mention your notion that tides don't correspond with the time of day and the shadows you see.................................. etc. ....................

Serious denialists are going to be quick to put a lot of daylight between themselves and you two!

 

[Cougarbear]

The proof that glaciers are melting faster than they melted 100 years ago is as plain as the nose on your face by simply looking at how fast your ice cream cone is melting. (no more than an inch below your nose.)

Seriously though, You climbed aboard with that asshole and you blow your reputation as being serious.

Not to even mention your notion that tides don't correspond with the time of day and the shadows you see.................................. etc. ....................

Serious denialists are going to be quick to put a lot of daylight between themselves and you two!

So, the air pressure is going up? Nope. So your studies are Al Gore false.

 

[EMH]

The proof that glaciers are melting faster than they melted 100 years ago is as plain as the nose on your face by simply looking at how fast your ice cream cone is melting. (no more than an inch below your nose.)

Seriously though, You climbed aboard with that asshole and you blow your reputation as being serious.

Not to even mention your notion that tides don't correspond with the time of day and the shadows you see.................................. etc. ....................

Serious denialists are going to be quick to put a lot of daylight between themselves and you two!

Your "proof" is some sort of fudged data in a color chart that you and your demographic religiously PARROT as the "climate cult."

In reality, the issue of the ice and SURFACE AIR PRESSURE is that the ice is THE VARIABLE that matters. In Antarctic ice is at least 50 million cubic miles of compressed air. Your side argues that Antarctica is "melting" but cannot show us ONE SINGLE PHOTO of LIQUID WATER on Antarctica. In reality, the only time ice melts on Antarctica is when there is a magma release on the Peninsula. The data as shown in the British Court 2007 and NASA documents that Antarctic ice, 90% of Earth ice, has grown every year. IF so, that explains why the Co2 FRAUD cannot show us ONE SINGLE PHOTO of "ocean rise," because if Antarctic ice is growing, there is no ongoing net ice melt and hence oceans are NOT RISING which is THE CLEAR VISUAL EVIDENCE OF ALL PHOTOS. The issue with SURFACE AIR PRESSURE is 100% clear cut. When there is an ongoing net ice melt on Earth, SURFACE AIR PRESSURE goes up because gas trapped in ice has been added to the atmosphere.

So explain how SURFACE AIR PRESSURE is dropping slightly given...

burning hydrocarbons adds to surface air pressure
"warming" (presumably) adds to surface air pressure
melting ice dramatically adds to surface air pressure

WHY is SURFACE AIR PRESSURE flat/down?

 

[EMH]

THIS TOPIC BUSTS THE Co2 FRAUD COMPLETELY.

THAT is why there is no attempt to refute it.... but rather only to ignore, censor, and bury it....

Notice too how many self proclaimed "skeptics" are ignoring this while going right back to accepting clearly fudged data as "real." Toddster and the others are ALL FRAUDS..... the Zionist Fascist uber Pro Israel "RINOs" of climate science.