I Love how the left Talks about Working Poor!

[Lonestar_logic]

If you're on the internet, you are not poor.

You could be if you are at the library.

Oh please, if you're so poor that you have to go to the library then you damn sure wouldn't be usung it to post in this forum.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I sound like a American who understands the reality of the world....I dont hate the people I hate the situation that made them poor and dependent.....By the way one of the HUGE factors in the number of Poor working or otherwise is big education.....They have made it to hard to get a job and work your way up....Not everyone can afford to go in debt for life for a job when they can make more AFTER costs working at McDonalds.

You're delusional.

Who has made it hard for whom to get a job and work their way up?

No one is stopping anyone from getting a job and no one is keeping anyone from excelling at their job.

And who said anything about "hate"?

No one is stopping me they are making it harder...Geez like regulations make it harder....Damn you are being slow....By the way insulting a people cause of their financial situation is hate...Sorry but thats the way i see it.

How do regulations keep you from getting a job and/or excelling at your job.


There are a lot of jobs out there to be had.

 

[RDD_1210]

Reject my notion?????? Idiot it isnt a notion it is a reality....Hell right now there are millions working hard and not making ends meet.....There are millions working hard and going hungry...There are thousands working hard and sleeping on the street... These my naive ignorant friend are the realities of the working poor. Just cause you have a job doesn't mean you are not poor....It just means you have it slightly worse then those without jobs cause you most likely don't qualify for government assistance.

I generally do not care what YOU consider reality. Notions and realities are relative and subjective. Just because you believe it so, does not make it so, in my book.

Furthermore, I will not pretend to project what happens in millions of other homes, unlike you. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. And what I've taken from those experiences is that working and being poor are completely different concepts. I'm infinitely better off if I'm even making minimum wage living in a hotel compared to living on the street without a pot to piss in. This is what I mean when I say there is a disparity between working and being poor.

Bottom-line: A working person has money to spend, a poor person does not.

It's amusing how you fail to understand such a elementary REALITY (see what I did there?)

And you have the gumption to call me "ignorant".

You must be young or had mommy and daddy give you everything.

You mean like Mitt?

 

[thanatos144]

I generally do not care what YOU consider reality. Notions and realities are relative and subjective. Just because you believe it so, does not make it so, in my book.

Furthermore, I will not pretend to project what happens in millions of other homes, unlike you. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. And what I've taken from those experiences is that working and being poor are completely different concepts. I'm infinitely better off if I'm even making minimum wage living in a hotel compared to living on the street without a pot to piss in. This is what I mean when I say there is a disparity between working and being poor.

Bottom-line: A working person has money to spend, a poor person does not.

It's amusing how you fail to understand such a elementary REALITY (see what I did there?)

And you have the gumption to call me "ignorant".

You must be young or had mommy and daddy give you everything.

So in other words, you can't refute my argument.

Thanks for your concession of defeat.

, I refuted your ignorance in the first post .

 

[thanatos144]

I generally do not care what YOU consider reality. Notions and realities are relative and subjective. Just because you believe it so, does not make it so, in my book.

Furthermore, I will not pretend to project what happens in millions of other homes, unlike you. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. And what I've taken from those experiences is that working and being poor are completely different concepts. I'm infinitely better off if I'm even making minimum wage living in a hotel compared to living on the street without a pot to piss in. This is what I mean when I say there is a disparity between working and being poor.

Bottom-line: A working person has money to spend, a poor person does not.

It's amusing how you fail to understand such a elementary REALITY (see what I did there?)

And you have the gumption to call me "ignorant".

You must be young or had mommy and daddy give you everything.

You mean like Mitt?

I was theirnking more like Obama who had everything handed to him..... Do you think since mitt grew up wealthy he didn't have to work for what he has???? He isn't a progressive like Obama ....

 

[thanatos144]

You're delusional.

Who has made it hard for whom to get a job and work their way up?

No one is stopping anyone from getting a job and no one is keeping anyone from excelling at their job.

And who said anything about "hate"?

No one is stopping me they are making it harder...Geez like regulations make it harder....Damn you are being slow....By the way insulting a people cause of their financial situation is hate...Sorry but thats the way i see it.

How do regulations keep you from getting a job and/or excelling at your job.


There are a lot of jobs out there to be had.

I said like regulations you simpleton.... I was Making a comparison

 

[Obamanation]

You guys have this solved yet? Obama is looking to take more from the middle class and send them to poverty the whole time you are arguing!

 

[thanatos144]

You guys have this solved yet? Obama is looking to take more from the middle class and send them to poverty the whole time you are arguing!

It is a discussion forum...... We are discussing.

 

[Obamanation]

lol - Oh, well then --- Keep up the good work! By all means!

 

[Erand7899]

The rightwing needs the working poor to do low paying jobs with no benefits

There are always more than enough people to do the low paying jobs with no benefits. Our public school system sees to that. And, left wingers work hard to ensure no one interferes with our public school system.

 

[auditor0007]

Ask any Righty on this board, we will al tell you that we are so much FOR the working poor that we would want to provide them with training and education. That would allow them to become the 'working middle class'.

You want a gov't program that would work? Simple, for adults with a documented record of willingness to work the US gov't SHOULD help to pay for both, their basic bills and their education as long as they can pass a UA and follow the rules of the educational program they are entered in.

The right believes that if you are willing to work to improve your situation, we should be willing to help you improve your situation.

This is just another example of accountability based programs that the right would endorse.

Where we have issue with the working poor - is that they have been trained by the left that adults can work in a convenient store, take a gov't check and spend their evenings blowing our tax dollars on a couple of 40s, a pack of smokes, and a dozen bong hits.

When the gov't is helping you to improve your situation we are for it. When the gov't is providing you with a reason to stay among the working poor, we take issue.

...and you act like it's the people we are taking issue with! The left should be ashamed of itself! If you guys really CARED like you claim to care - you would care to see people become successful rather than care to keep them in the gov't net so you know they will keep voting for the party of 'keep everyone poor'!!

Okay, I'll give you a shot on this one. Please list a few of these government sponsored programs for the working poor that have been initiated by Republicans. Don't tell me about make believe pie in the sky programs nobody has heard of, give us a few examples of programs that are already in place. You can't just say you support something without having any track record whatsoever to support what your claim, especially when all your party does is talk about dismantling as many government programs for the poor as possible.

 

[Erand7899]

You have proof of your assertions? The working poor WAS the topic, was it not? Rightwinger was just showing that historically speaking.....you're full of shit.

Or, in your mind....is "staying on topic" simply nodding, drooling and blindly agreeing with you? Sorry buddy, a DEBATE normally has two sides....too fucking bad if the other side tore you a new asshole in one post. Perhaps you ought to think things through before you start a thread that is so easily shredded.

Nice ANGRY post...

The topic is pointing out exactly what that dipshit did. Instead of listening to good idea on how to improve things and discussing pros and cons --- he goes back to talking about how the right hates the poor.

Everything on his list is counterproductive to helping the poor into the middle class --- in the opinions of the people on the right. We obviously are not going to agree on:

Unions
Socialized medicine
student loans hidden in socialized medicine
childcare assistance
increases to the minimum wage

As far as we are concerned, all the things in that list should be personal responsibility. Now if you want to talk about how to make it possible for people to take care of those things as a matter of their personal responsibility we can have a discussion.

I provide all of those things on my own and so can they. All they need are the tools to make it happen and the willingness to try. That is all I had...

You do everything in your power to prevent people from moving up from working poor status. No rights to organize, no ability to obtain a college education, minimum salaries with no chance for advancement

All workers have the right to organize. What you want is to force them into unions against their will.

Your concept that college is the only avenue to the good life is nonsense.

Good jobs, with good pay and benefits, requires knowledge and skills that are useful to an employer. They have to go after that on their own, you cannot endow them with either.

Losers always find excuses for failure. Winners learn from their failures and find success.

 

[Erand7899]

Well,

so what you're saying is that you do support the redistribution of wealth, to some extent,

especially if it gives people a chance...

Seems to me I've been hearing exactly that same sentiment in an old tape that's been going around for the past couple days.

Redistribution only gives power to the elite you retard it does nothing to help the poor but keep them poor.

So providing a basic education to all American children regardless of their family's ability to pay is what's keeping poor kids in poverty when they grow up.

What's the better plan?

The better plan is to learn not to twist words and phrases to support a falsehood. Income redistribution doesn't have a damn thing to do with paying for government public services and/or public infrastructure. It has to do with taking from one citizen who has wealth, and giving it to another citizen who does not.

BTW, our public education system is not providing a basic education to all American children, and that is a goodly share of our current problems. But, the education unions contribute large sums to Democrats, and as long as Democrats have political power, no one is going to upset that applecart.

The conservative position is to tie the public education funds to the individual child, and let him/her get the best education available in his/her area.

 

[Obamanation]

Ask any Righty on this board, we will al tell you that we are so much FOR the working poor that we would want to provide them with training and education. That would allow them to become the 'working middle class'.

You want a gov't program that would work? Simple, for adults with a documented record of willingness to work the US gov't SHOULD help to pay for both, their basic bills and their education as long as they can pass a UA and follow the rules of the educational program they are entered in.

The right believes that if you are willing to work to improve your situation, we should be willing to help you improve your situation.

This is just another example of accountability based programs that the right would endorse.

Where we have issue with the working poor - is that they have been trained by the left that adults can work in a convenient store, take a gov't check and spend their evenings blowing our tax dollars on a couple of 40s, a pack of smokes, and a dozen bong hits.

When the gov't is helping you to improve your situation we are for it. When the gov't is providing you with a reason to stay among the working poor, we take issue.

...and you act like it's the people we are taking issue with! The left should be ashamed of itself! If you guys really CARED like you claim to care - you would care to see people become successful rather than care to keep them in the gov't net so you know they will keep voting for the party of 'keep everyone poor'!!

Okay, I'll give you a shot on this one. Please list a few of these government sponsored programs for the working poor that have been initiated by Republicans. Don't tell me about make believe pie in the sky programs nobody has heard of, give us a few examples of programs that are already in place. You can't just say you support something without having any track record whatsoever to support what your claim, especially when all your party does is talk about dismantling as many government programs for the poor as possible.

BALOGNA!!

Are you kidding -- we come up with this stuff all the time --- your beloved ACLU will claim that requiring something from them makes it racist - or isn;t fair because poor people can;t be expected to make it to schools - they need rides ----- and the bus isn;t good enough - emplyers should pay for taxis

see this is why dealing with liberals is a waste of time. You suggest something that is truely bipartisan - and the left won't consider it until you prove to them that you have passed similar legislation in the past...

BULLCHIT!

I made a very fair suggestion - We could on this board being a bipartisan effort to improve things in America. Get over your holier than thou Obama post-partisan crap - and either work with us - or stay out of our way!

 

[Obamanation]

Redistribution only gives power to the elite you retard it does nothing to help the poor but keep them poor.

So providing a basic education to all American children regardless of their family's ability to pay is what's keeping poor kids in poverty when they grow up.

What's the better plan?

The better plan is to learn not to twist words and phrases to support a falsehood. Income redistribution doesn't have a damn thing to do with paying for government public services and/or public infrastructure. It has to do with taking from one citizen who has wealth, and giving it to another citizen who does not.

BTW, our public education system is not providing a basic education to all American children, and that is a goodly share of our current problems. But, the education unions contribute large sums to Democrats, and as long as Democrats have political power, no one is going to upset that applecart.

The conservative position is to tie the public education funds to the individual child, and let him/her get the best education available in his/her area.

You are making way to much sense to get a interactive discussion from the radical lefties on this board. The instant you talk about doing the best with what you have to work with they are confused and angry!

 

[editec]

Ask any Righty on this board, we will al tell you that we are so much FOR the working poor that we would want to provide them with training and education. That would allow them to become the 'working middle class'.

You want a gov't program that would work? Simple, for adults with a documented record of willingness to work the US gov't SHOULD help to pay for both, their basic bills and their education as long as they can pass a UA and follow the rules of the educational program they are entered in.

Lad, I hate to break it to you, but the above idea (which I think is great BTW) makes you a SOCIALIST. (according to tdoay's conservatives' definition of the term)

The right believes that if you are willing to work to improve your situation, we should be willing to help you improve your situation.

No, actually it doesn't. You obviously believe that, but the GOP doesn't appear to believe that at all.

 

[Obamanation]

Ask any Righty on this board, we will al tell you that we are so much FOR the working poor that we would want to provide them with training and education. That would allow them to become the 'working middle class'.

You want a gov't program that would work? Simple, for adults with a documented record of willingness to work the US gov't SHOULD help to pay for both, their basic bills and their education as long as they can pass a UA and follow the rules of the educational program they are entered in.

Lad, I hate to break it to you, but the above idea (which I think is great BTW) makes you a SOCIALIST. (according to tdoay's conservatives' definition of the term)

The right believes that if you are willing to work to improve your situation, we should be willing to help you improve your situation.

No, actually it doesn't. You obviously believe that, but the GOP doesn't appear to believe that at all.

Well, I guess everyone I have ever had this conversation with are anti-GOP socialists then... Pretty sure the vast majority of us are card carrying members of the GOP and most of us identify STRONGLY with the Tea Party...

That sure doesn't sound like the Tea Party you libs are always yucking it up about!

...but thats what us tea party types like to sit around and talk about none-the-less...

I guess basically, what I am saying, is that you are wrong. The GOP would be ALL FOR a program of accountability. Remember how we advocated for drug testing in order to recieve welfare benefits? The ACLU got involved....

You guys were calling us NAZIs for wanting some accountability. Now all of the sudden I suggest the same thing here and we are socialists... lol --- OK??!!

 

[koshergrl]

Ask any Righty on this board, we will al tell you that we are so much FOR the working poor that we would want to provide them with training and education. That would allow them to become the 'working middle class'.

You want a gov't program that would work? Simple, for adults with a documented record of willingness to work the US gov't SHOULD help to pay for both, their basic bills and their education as long as they can pass a UA and follow the rules of the educational program they are entered in.

The right believes that if you are willing to work to improve your situation, we should be willing to help you improve your situation.

This is just another example of accountability based programs that the right would endorse.

Where we have issue with the working poor - is that they have been trained by the left that adults can work in a convenient store, take a gov't check and spend their evenings blowing our tax dollars on a couple of 40s, a pack of smokes, and a dozen bong hits.

When the gov't is helping you to improve your situation we are for it. When the gov't is providing you with a reason to stay among the working poor, we take issue.

...and you act like it's the people we are taking issue with! The left should be ashamed of itself! If you guys really CARED like you claim to care - you would care to see people become successful rather than care to keep them in the gov't net so you know they will keep voting for the party of 'keep everyone poor'!!

Okay, I'll give you a shot on this one. Please list a few of these government sponsored programs for the working poor that have been initiated by Republicans. Don't tell me about make believe pie in the sky programs nobody has heard of, give us a few examples of programs that are already in place. You can't just say you support something without having any track record whatsoever to support what your claim, especially when all your party does is talk about dismantling as many government programs for the poor as possible.

The JOBS programs.

Which Obama has sliced in half. One of the only welfare programs shown to really help welfare recipients get off welfare.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/313350/obama-s-attack-workfare-robert-rector#

 

[rightwinger]

The rightwing needs the working poor to do low paying jobs with no benefits

There are always more than enough people to do the low paying jobs with no benefits. Our public school system sees to that. And, left wingers work hard to ensure no one interferes with our public school system.

Oh yes....I had forgotten to mention the illegal immigrants that the rightwing hires

 

[ba1614]

Ask any Righty on this board, we will al tell you that we are so much FOR the working poor that we would want to provide them with training and education. That would allow them to become the 'working middle class'.

You want a gov't program that would work? Simple, for adults with a documented record of willingness to work the US gov't SHOULD help to pay for both, their basic bills and their education as long as they can pass a UA and follow the rules of the educational program they are entered in.

The right believes that if you are willing to work to improve your situation, we should be willing to help you improve your situation.

This is just another example of accountability based programs that the right would endorse.

Where we have issue with the working poor - is that they have been trained by the left that adults can work in a convenient store, take a gov't check and spend their evenings blowing our tax dollars on a couple of 40s, a pack of smokes, and a dozen bong hits.

When the gov't is helping you to improve your situation we are for it. When the gov't is providing you with a reason to stay among the working poor, we take issue.

...and you act like it's the people we are taking issue with! The left should be ashamed of itself! If you guys really CARED like you claim to care - you would care to see people become successful rather than care to keep them in the gov't net so you know they will keep voting for the party of 'keep everyone poor'!!

For progressives to control people they need them dependent, and if you want to keep a person poor and dependent, give them just enough money to be comfortable there.