I have a question for those who hate creationism

[Toro]

Well I think life evolved on earth and i've seen proof of life forms evolving so Im not getting into that part but im really curious as to where the big bang came from.

How does science prove that the big bang happened?
How does science prove how the situation that caused the big bang to happen came to be?

Let's start with your first question since there is no point in answering the second if you don't believe there was a Big Bang in the first place.

WMAP Big Bang Theory

The Big Bang Model is a broadly accepted theory for the origin and evolution of our universe. It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. It has since expanded from this hot dense state into the vast and much cooler cosmos we currently inhabit. We can see remnants of this hot dense matter as the now very cold cosmic microwave background radiation which still pervades the universe and is visible to microwave detectors as a uniform glow across the entire sky.

Scientists discover possible cosmic defect, remnant from Big Bang

Scientists from the Institute of Physics of Cantabria (IFCA) and the University of Cambridge may have discovered an example of a cosmic defect, a remnant from the Big Bang called a texture. If confirmed, their discovery, reported today in Science, will provide dramatic new insight into how the universe evolved following the Big Bang.

Textures are defects in the structure of the vacuum left over from the hot early universe. Professor Neil Turok of Cambridge's Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics first showed how textures form in the 1990s, highlighting that some would survive from the Big Bang and should be visible in today's universe. Textures can be observed by the hot and cold spots they create in the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB) which fills the universe and was released in the Big Bang 14 billion years ago.

The Big Bang theory proposes that the cosmos began in a very high density, high temperature state, cooling as it expands. In the early hot universe, physicists believe that the different types of elementary particle (particles such as a quark from which larger particles are created) behaved identically. As the universe cooled, the vacuum changed and the symmetry between the particles was broken, in a phase transition analogous to the freezing of water. During this kind of phase transition, quarks become distinct from electrons and neutrinos, for example.



Just as misalignments in the crystalline structure of ice lead to defects, misalignments in the symmetry-breaking pattern form cosmic defects. Textures, such as the one which may have been discovered, are one type of defect.

Ok so the theory is based off of faith that the universe once existed in a specific state...that state being very dense and hot.

My issue is im not sure how we know this. how are scientists backing up the idea that the universe was once super hot and super dense then exploded and evolved into what we have today from the explosion?

I see theories and assumptions on how it happened that remind me of many creationist religious peoples assumptions and theories that a god exists and created everything.

This annoys me, its like the bible thumpers and the big bangers are very similar in mindset. They both exhibit faith in something neither can prove and they both try to "Bash" the other as being ignorant or wrong.

I just want to know how the big bang actually happened with solid, scientific evidence.

We don't know how the Big Bang theory happened. We can prove, however, that the universe is expanding.

We also know that the universe is older than the earth, which invalidates the explanation of the origins of the universe in Genesis.

 

[Toro]

Oh and it is not the same as Creationism because The Big Bang Theory builds on existing knowledge of the universe. Creationism does no such thing. It is based solely on faith.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Let's start with your first question since there is no point in answering the second if you don't believe there was a Big Bang in the first place.

WMAP Big Bang Theory

The Big Bang Model is a broadly accepted theory for the origin and evolution of our universe. It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. It has since expanded from this hot dense state into the vast and much cooler cosmos we currently inhabit. We can see remnants of this hot dense matter as the now very cold cosmic microwave background radiation which still pervades the universe and is visible to microwave detectors as a uniform glow across the entire sky.

Scientists discover possible cosmic defect, remnant from Big Bang

Scientists from the Institute of Physics of Cantabria (IFCA) and the University of Cambridge may have discovered an example of a cosmic defect, a remnant from the Big Bang called a texture. If confirmed, their discovery, reported today in Science, will provide dramatic new insight into how the universe evolved following the Big Bang.

Textures are defects in the structure of the vacuum left over from the hot early universe. Professor Neil Turok of Cambridge's Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics first showed how textures form in the 1990s, highlighting that some would survive from the Big Bang and should be visible in today's universe. Textures can be observed by the hot and cold spots they create in the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB) which fills the universe and was released in the Big Bang 14 billion years ago.

The Big Bang theory proposes that the cosmos began in a very high density, high temperature state, cooling as it expands. In the early hot universe, physicists believe that the different types of elementary particle (particles such as a quark from which larger particles are created) behaved identically. As the universe cooled, the vacuum changed and the symmetry between the particles was broken, in a phase transition analogous to the freezing of water. During this kind of phase transition, quarks become distinct from electrons and neutrinos, for example.



Just as misalignments in the crystalline structure of ice lead to defects, misalignments in the symmetry-breaking pattern form cosmic defects. Textures, such as the one which may have been discovered, are one type of defect.

Ok so the theory is based off of faith that the universe once existed in a specific state...that state being very dense and hot.

My issue is im not sure how we know this. how are scientists backing up the idea that the universe was once super hot and super dense then exploded and evolved into what we have today from the explosion?

I see theories and assumptions on how it happened that remind me of many creationist religious peoples assumptions and theories that a god exists and created everything.

This annoys me, its like the bible thumpers and the big bangers are very similar in mindset. They both exhibit faith in something neither can prove and they both try to "Bash" the other as being ignorant or wrong.

I just want to know how the big bang actually happened with solid, scientific evidence.

We don't know how the Big Bang theory happened. We can prove, however, that the universe is expanding.

We also know that the universe is older than the earth, which invalidates the explanation of the origins of the universe in Genesis.

Im not trying to prove that the bible is right. Im just trying to understand why people get mad at bible people for having faith in something they cant prove when the same people usually have faith in something they can't prove too...the big bang.

It feels hypocritical to me and i'd like something to make it better.

 

[poet]

How did the universe come into being?

Opine and Educate me please.

I believe God brought it into being...but not as it's described in Genesis.

 

[konradv]

How does someone hate creationism?

Just my judgement of many peoples reactions to the idea of creationism on this forum. They do seem to hate the idea and sometimes even those that believe it.

Would you like to participate by trying to discuss the subject matter of the topic?

My question regarding your post is, if you ask about creationism in the title, why did you change the subject to the Big Bang? They're two completely different questions.

 

[Sheldon]

Im not trying to prove that the bible is right. Im just trying to understand why people get mad at bible people for having faith in something they cant prove when the same people usually have faith in something they can't prove too...the big bang.

It feels hypocritical to me and i'd like something to make it better.

It's degrees of faith. Believing your neighbor's wife is cheating on him while he's at work because you can clearly hear fucking sounds when he's not there is not the same brand of belief in a bearded fat man squeezing down a chimney.

My guess is that for the atheists on here who actually waste time arguing with theists about this stuff, it's frustrating when you present scientific evidence, stuff that has been observed, studied, tested, repeated, and then accepted as a theory by the people who do this for a career... and then have that immediately dismissed by someone who thinks a two thousand year old book has an equal weight of evidence in argument. It doesn't. Which is why I think it's pretty much pointless to argue the BBT or evolution with people who have already rejected it and are unwilling to be persuaded by the strength of an argument.

 

[JohnA]

Why do creationists insist on claiming cus science cant prove the big bang theory ( or any other theory0 then creation must be true
the failure to prove beyond a reasonablE doubt one theory
DOESNT MAKE THE OTHER TRUE

one is based on knowledge and physical evidence more of which is being learnt every day

the other is just based on faith
after years of research theologists have never found any evidence of a god past present or future
just some words in a book
cant believe all you read

 

[Sheldon]

Im not trying to prove that the bible is right. Im just trying to understand why people get mad at bible people for having faith in something they cant prove when the same people usually have faith in something they can't prove too...the big bang.

It feels hypocritical to me and i'd like something to make it better.

It's degrees of faith. Believing your neighbor's wife is cheating on him while he's at work because you can clearly hear fucking sounds when he's not there is not the same brand of belief in a bearded fat man squeezing down a chimney.

My guess is that for the atheists on here who actually waste time arguing with theists about this stuff, it's frustrating when you present scientific evidence, stuff that has been observed, studied, tested, repeated, and then accepted as a theory by the people who do this for a career... and then have that immediately dismissed by someone who thinks a two thousand year old book has an equal weight of evidence in argument. It doesn't. Which is why I think it's pretty much pointless to argue the BBT or evolution with people who have already rejected it and are unwilling to be persuaded by the strength of an argument.

You know I really should have gone with... believing the Bruins will win the Cup requires a different degree of faith than believing the Nucks will win the Cup. One is way more substantiated than the other.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Origin of the Big Bang


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[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

How did the universe come into being?

Opine and Educate me please.

I believe God brought it into being...but not as it's described in Genesis.

you've peaked my curiosity.

Please elaborate on that idea you have. Im very very interested in your idea

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

How does someone hate creationism?

Just my judgement of many peoples reactions to the idea of creationism on this forum. They do seem to hate the idea and sometimes even those that believe it.

Would you like to participate by trying to discuss the subject matter of the topic?

My question regarding your post is, if you ask about creationism in the title, why did you change the subject to the Big Bang? They're two completely different questions.

I was watching the science channel (again) and they were talking about the big bang theory and when I was watching the way they were describing things I had a lightbulb go off in my head that basically said "Wow these guys have as much faith in this as creationists do in creation stories, thats messed up I want to talk about it"

Thats how creationists got in my title...but in hindsight you are right, the thread's intent would be better served by a different title.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Why do creationists insist on claiming cus science cant prove the big bang theory ( or any other theory0 then creation must be true
the failure to prove beyond a reasonablE doubt one theory
DOESNT MAKE THE OTHER TRUE

one is based on knowledge and physical evidence more of which is being learnt every day

the other is just based on faith
after years of research theologists have never found any evidence of a god past present or future
just some words in a book
cant believe all you read

Thats not what is going on here, read through all my posts in this thread. I just want to talk about something that struck my mind last night is all.....dont assume things about how i think or believe, just ask me instead i dont mind answering.

 

[Luissa]

Why do creationist hate evolution? They don't think God was smart enough to come up with evolution?

 

[007]

How did the universe come into being?

Opine and Educate me please.

Glad to educate you. In the first place the question of how the universe started is totally seperate from the creation question. I believe at least one line of Genesis is true, "let there be light"(The Big Bang). Creation of life on earth, however, is a different story. That was accomplished by evolution utilizing the Laws of Chemistry and Physics laid down at the beginning. God created the universe, but used evolution to create life, IMO.

Well I think life evolved on earth and i've seen proof of life forms evolving so Im not getting into that part but im really curious as to where the big bang came from.

How does science prove that the big bang happened?
How does science prove how the situation that caused the big bang to happen came to be?

This is where science is trying to pass off "adaptation" for "evolution."

One can ask the very same question you're asking of "where did the big bang come from" as to "where did life on earth come from?" Earth was an extremely hot, molten blob floating around in space with no atmosphere, water or anything, and completely devoid of any kind of life. How did life get here when life couldn't have survived the earth's formative years?

 

[Douger]

2 guys, Hymie and Harry, were sitting at a bar up on planet Shitferbrains and said. Hey ! Lets build a universe with a planet that will sustain life forms and give ownership of it to our families.
Then they got some mud and made a blond headed blue eyed Jewish kid name Adam (atom), took a rib out, made a genetic match with a hole, instead of a pole, and told him to go fuck himself !
The gave birth to two little inbred Jewish kids named Cain and Abel (way before the stable). The one was such a greedy prick he killed his own brother.
The End ( literally)

 

[PixieStix]

So there was a big bang? How did that happen?

God created the big bang.

Hey thats creationism.......i want to know where the big bang came from

God said..."Let there be a bang" AKA "light", and there was a bang

I imagine that if an electrician wanted to make a bang while hooking up some electricity, it could potentially make a loud bang

 

[edthecynic]

Well I think life evolved on earth and i've seen proof of life forms evolving so Im not getting into that part but im really curious as to where the big bang came from.

How does science prove that the big bang happened?
How does science prove how the situation that caused the big bang to happen came to be?

Let's start with your first question since there is no point in answering the second if you don't believe there was a Big Bang in the first place.

WMAP Big Bang Theory

The Big Bang Model is a broadly accepted theory for the origin and evolution of our universe. It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. It has since expanded from this hot dense state into the vast and much cooler cosmos we currently inhabit. We can see remnants of this hot dense matter as the now very cold cosmic microwave background radiation which still pervades the universe and is visible to microwave detectors as a uniform glow across the entire sky.

Scientists discover possible cosmic defect, remnant from Big Bang

Scientists from the Institute of Physics of Cantabria (IFCA) and the University of Cambridge may have discovered an example of a cosmic defect, a remnant from the Big Bang called a texture. If confirmed, their discovery, reported today in Science, will provide dramatic new insight into how the universe evolved following the Big Bang.

Textures are defects in the structure of the vacuum left over from the hot early universe. Professor Neil Turok of Cambridge's Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics first showed how textures form in the 1990s, highlighting that some would survive from the Big Bang and should be visible in today's universe. Textures can be observed by the hot and cold spots they create in the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB) which fills the universe and was released in the Big Bang 14 billion years ago.

The Big Bang theory proposes that the cosmos began in a very high density, high temperature state, cooling as it expands. In the early hot universe, physicists believe that the different types of elementary particle (particles such as a quark from which larger particles are created) behaved identically. As the universe cooled, the vacuum changed and the symmetry between the particles was broken, in a phase transition analogous to the freezing of water. During this kind of phase transition, quarks become distinct from electrons and neutrinos, for example.



Just as misalignments in the crystalline structure of ice lead to defects, misalignments in the symmetry-breaking pattern form cosmic defects. Textures, such as the one which may have been discovered, are one type of defect.

Ok so the theory is based off of faith that the universe once existed in a specific state...that state being very dense and hot.

My issue is im not sure how we know this. how are scientists backing up the idea that the universe was once super hot and super dense then exploded and evolved into what we have today from the explosion?

I see theories and assumptions on how it happened that remind me of many creationist religious peoples assumptions and theories that a god exists and created everything.

This annoys me, its like the bible thumpers and the big bangers are very similar in mindset. They both exhibit faith in something neither can prove and they both try to "Bash" the other as being ignorant or wrong.

I just want to know how the big bang actually happened with solid, scientific evidence.

What annoys me is you spoon feed Creationists exactly what they ask for and they pretend it was never provided to them and call the MEASURED evidence "FAITH." Obviously you are only interested in calling science "faith" and no amount of measured evidence will persuade you otherwise.
Thank you.

 

[rdean]

Where did God come from? What is on the other side of the Universe (or, how high is up)? Frankly, why should we care?

Would you P_P change your behavior if today we learned God does not exist? Does your behavior reflect your fear of hell, or desire for heaven? Would you surrender to hedonism if there were no God? Covet your neighbors property or spouse? Do you only obey the law for fear of the consequences?

If God exists, whose side is S/He on?

I dont know the answers to your questions.

I do know you totally ignored what I was asking in the first post.

If you want to post here please dont try and change the subject.

Now I'll be nice and try and give some response to the various questions you asked even though you did not do the same for my simple question.

I dont know where "God" originated from and I dont believe in the concept of heaven and hell. I believe in Karma and a higher power than ourselves exisiting.

that should answer all your questions....now please try to adress mine or stay out of the thread, thanks.

I apologize if you feel my response was a red herring, it was not meant to be. I simply pointed out my opinion and why I'm agnostic.

For your reading pleasure:

Collected Quotes from Albert Einstein

Einstein touches on your question in many of these quotes.

You missed a quote, in fact, you missed an entire letter. This might clear a few things up:

As such, it reveals some of his thinking on religion. He states in the letter, for example, “The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.” And, although from a Jewish background, he writes, “For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people.”

Einstein letter fetches record amount at auction - physicsworld.com

 

[peach174]

Well that is the problem people have with science. They find something and then teach it as absolute fact until other wise proven to not be correct.
For years text books in schools taught that no life could exist far down into the earth.
They have now found a worm 2 miles down that lives there.
http://www.twincities.com/ci_18187364?nclick_check=1
They do the same thing with space. They are theories and are not proven facts.
Dismissing God and creation as myth. No proof one way or the other yet.
And those that don't believe in God as just stories.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Why do creationist hate evolution? They don't think God was smart enough to come up with evolution?

Maybe they think evolution was part of god plan for life? I dunno.