backward-------ok You may not have any idea whatYou got that ass backwards!
you are talking about----BUT YOU CAN DEBATE IT ANYWAY
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backward-------ok You may not have any idea whatYou got that ass backwards!
When did I say that I cannot define it? Cops encourage people to talkThat's one reason that torture is not for amateurs. There are hundreds of ways to encourage people to talk. And if you can't even begin to DEFINE IT -- why are you so certain that it should be regularly used in common criminal cases?
Just the fact the END GOAL of torture is to encourage accused people to talk is a straight violation of the Bill of Rights and your "right to remain silent". SOOOOOO -- come back when you rationalize that little detail away...
You are a TYPICAL RIGHT WING PERSONI am quite familiar with the Constitution
In case you haven’t heard, there is a lot more in there than the Second Amendment
you create your own parameters for your OWN CONVENIENCE-----you have not defined "torture" and you ASSUME that the 'suspect' has not been
legally PROCESSED----ie arraigned and convicted YET. Try to open
your mind ---a little
you are a barrel of laughs.
There is no need to torture someone by any definition or method unless you are attempting to hinder the Free Exercise of their Right to Remain Silent.
That's not a matter of convenience ... And it is Unconstitutional to hinder someone's Free Exercise of a Constitutionally Protected Right.
My mind is open ... There are limits as to what the Federal Government can do.
The times when those limits are ignored or circumvented ... That is an attempt to grasp for what may be convenient.
You got it backwards.
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you are a barrel of laughs
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Glad to be of service ... If you would like to discuss the topic, knock yourself out.
sure thing----I have lied many times to get people to TELL THE TRUTH---.
Glad to be of service ... If you would like to discuss the topic, knock yourself out.
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sure thing----I have lied many times to get people to TELL THE TRUTH---
(well ---in my field of endeavor) ----I saved them---I did not violate their
rights.
In obvious cases. In the case I am speaking about, the police were dealing with a criminal thug with a long rap sheet dating back to his teens, he had served prison time for a similar crime, and his DNA was found on the victim’s shoes.
I know you libs err on the side of protecting lowlife criminals, even if it means an innocent woman will die, but I err on the side of saving the life the criminal is about to take.
And as far as the woman already being dead, they didn’t know that at the time.
Prove itsure thing----I have lied many times to get people to TELL THE TRUTH---
(well ---in my field of endeavor) ----I saved them---I did not violate their
rights.
You caught meYou are a TYPICAL RIGHT WING PERSON
Scared of the TRUTH
You caught me
I am USMBs predominant rightwing poster
When did I say that I cannot define it?
I did not do my studies with the GRAND INQUISITOR. I am still seeking
a definition of "TORTURE"
Cops encourage people to talk
all the time ----without a "water-board" and without danger of "violation
of the Bill of Rights"...... or----with some level of confidence that they will
not be so accused. Are you sure you want to claim that encouraging a
person to talk IS A VIOLATION OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS?
when it comes to the topic "HOW HUMANS MANIPULATE EACH OTHER" ---aka "sociopathy 101" you come up blankIt being torture. You did that PRECISELY when you took a complete detour around my question of "who ya gonna get to be a professional torturer? At post #170.
And I never got THAT question answered and you SAID "still seeking a definition".
Have you heard of Miranda rights? Or the Miranda decision? If they inform a person of their Miranda rights WHICH IS REQUIRED -- one choice is to NOT TALK AT ALL.
The others are to let your LAWYER speak for you. Or have your lawyer decide what your official statements are. Any time cops succeed at getting people to talk -- ALL THREE of these options are in play.
That why torture should NEVER be an option in criminal/civil cases. And since that IS THE LAW OF LAND - there are not a LOT "qualified" torturers in the Phone book or on Angies' list for hire. The only ones you'll find there -- you probably dont want to hire if they are into bondage/masochism.
From what I’ve been reading, most of this discussion is going to be a mute point soon, not soon enough however but soon up. We will have chips implanted, either on a temporary basis or long-term for violent felons specifically repeat violent offenders, to determine who is thinking of committing a violent crime and even who will likely commit crimes in the future. Now, I don’t know about you folks but that is proof enough we are “living in the future” it just hasn’t been released yet on a grand scale basis. It’s coming likely starting outside of US. Tweaking is undergoing with false memories and such needing to be ironed out.Most of you pretending to be heroes of "no torture ever" are ESPECIALLY hypocritical today. Same posters badgering people about torture have a LONG documented history of ignoring when convenient to their political goals.
You can torture people in hundreds of ways. ALL of them DOCUMENTED to be effective. Sleep deprivation, repetitive vile sounds, lying to them about the state of their relatiives, -- the list is endless. And A LOT OF YOU ignored these uses or cheered them on.
Waco siege - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
As the siege wore on, two factions developed within the FBI,[39] one believing negotiation to be the answer, the other, force. Increasingly aggressive techniques were used to try to force the Branch Davidians out. For instance, sleep deprivation of the inhabitants through all-night broadcasts of recordings of jet planes, pop music, Buddhist chanting, and the screams of rabbits being slaughtered.
#1 pop hit on the FBI psych operation team was "These boots are Made for Walking" which is certainly capable of inflicting pain and confusion after the first hour of continuous play. On the more serious side -- would be using armored vehicles to pump tear gas into an underground kitchen where most of children were being kept. No gas masks that small on hand.
Then there's your support of the torture of many of the J6th prisoners kept in a rotting DC. jail that MOST admit should have been condemned and razed a decade ago. Kept in SOLITARY FOR MONTHS. No contact even with legal reps. Charges CHANGED, added, subtracted monthly so not many court dates because their court attys cant keep up. Guards physically abusing them and NOT caring for their wounds. Neglecting drugs they've been prescribed. Even Pocahantas and Bernie have spoken out about these HORRID conditions that DO AMOUNT to torture.
And the same FBI that ran Waco into oblivion shot and killed a mother thru a gap in the door curtain while she was holding her infant. ALL MEANT to TORTURE the remaining hold-outs. Who already KNEW other family members had been killed. All for an entrapment sting SET-UP by the FBI and BATF.
Be less hypocritical. At least I'm aware that MAYBE in some horrendous national emergency -- we might NOT want to take non-lethal torture off the table. But even if was because a nuke suitcase was somewhere in NYC --- the people MAKING the decision would have to stand trial and justify.
From what I’ve been reading, most of this discussion is going to be a mute point soon, not soon enough however but soon up. We will have chips implanted, either on a temporary basis or long-term for violent felons specifically repeat violent offenders, to determine who is thinking of committing a violent crime and even who will likely commit crimes in the future. Now, I don’t know about you folks but that is proof enough we are “living in the future” it just hasn’t been released yet on a grand scale basis. It’s coming likely starting outside of US. Tweaking is undergoing with false memories and such needing to be ironed out.
Defining torture, is rationalizing torture.
There is bunch of kinda scary "pre-crime" work being done on brain patterns, but it's not likely to succeed due to the immense difficulty of repeating the same results on the same person. Or even IDENTIFYING A SPECIFIC crime the person "has in mind".
It's "The Matrix" kind of technology that isn't gonna become part of the legal system under our CURRENT law and justice system. More likely to occur would DISRUPTION of certain brain activities that LEAD to anger, paranoia, violence. A kind of emotional castration that psych "pros" do now with sketchy pharmaceuticals but TAILORED to the individuals' thought processes.
Indeed multiple glitches, but once humans incorporate robotic parts beyond bones/muscles etc. (and many people will fully accept these parts for longevity while others not so much) advancements currently being developed with AI will be incorporated into those humans.There is bunch of kinda scary "pre-crime" work being done on brain patterns, but it's not likely to succeed due to the immense difficulty of repeating the same results on the same person. Or even IDENTIFYING A SPECIFIC crime the person "has in mind".
It's "The Matrix" kind of technology that isn't gonna become part of the legal system under our CURRENT law and justice system. More likely to occur would DISRUPTION of certain brain activities that LEAD to anger, paranoia, violence. A kind of emotional castration that psych "pros" do now with sketchy pharmaceuticals but TAILORED to the individuals' thought processes.
an interesting but, BY NO MEANS, new idea. The ID of criminals wasThere is bunch of kinda scary "pre-crime" work being done on brain patterns, but it's not likely to succeed due to the immense difficulty of repeating the same results on the same person. Or even IDENTIFYING A SPECIFIC crime the person "has in mind".
It's "The Matrix" kind of technology that isn't gonna become part of the legal system under our CURRENT law and justice system. More likely to occur would DISRUPTION of certain brain activities that LEAD to anger, paranoia, violence. A kind of emotional castration that psych "pros" do now with sketchy pharmaceuticals but TAILORED to the individuals' thought processes.