12 years from now -- the GATemp has gained 0.25deg but the rise rate has greatly taper off AND we NOW know that there is a warming trend and CO2 has an influence, but is NOT the primary driver of the warming. In other words, increased amounts of CO2 contributed by mankind has ENHANCED the warming trend, but never was the primary driver of the warming. Let's say we've discovered long term physical cycles of climate change due to the alignment of solar system, earth positional dynamics or changes in the nature and composition of the Solar irradiation. -- AND the thermal forcing that is created by THAT primary driver is enhanced 25% by the increased CO2/GHG concentration.. Do we ALL win? Are Hansen and Mann still heroes in the history books because they honked the warning horn, but blew the analysis? Is Al Gore still a Nobel Prize winning scientist? Does the Hockey Stick and that Siberian YAD061 tree still matter? Are skeptics like me still guilty of stalling and foot-dragging on spending TRILLIONs of dollars on CO2 mitigation? Will Muller still be a "skeptic"? I just might pull a Muller here as I learn more about what's being claimed. I don't think ANYBODY'S got the CAUSE of the warming down right yet. YET -- It is warming and we are gambling here.. I'm not a "cult retard denier" without a conscience or a brain. Chances are -- EVERYBODY'S gonna look stupid at a high scientific level when the history is written. That's the way science history usually goes..