How Socialism Ruined My Country

[bitter clinging swiftie]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

Afhghanistan was occupied and waged war upon by communists for years
Vietnam suffered untold misery at the hands of the communist party, and most of the gains in life expectancy, individual income, etc have been made because the ruling party has allowed some concessions to the free market

Well, Afghanistan suffer MORE under the US and Britain than the USSR, and Vietnam suffered MORE under the US than supposed Communism, and suffered MORE under the French too. Don't let facts get in the way of a bad argument though.

by what metric do you make that claim?

By the one of facts.

whaat facts?

 

[eagle7_31]

Socialism doesn't work for anything larger than a tiny village.

And you can prove that, right?

What does "work" mean in this context?

Venezuela, Greece, and so on. The USSR and China had to murder 10's of millions. None of that equates to success.

COMMUNISM is totalitarian where the state owns everything. Socialism is democratic, well regulated fair capitalism with a good safety net. Try getting that thru your thick brainwashed head.

No, that's not Communism at all. That's what the USSR was, it wasn't Communist at all, nor is China or any of the other countries that claim communism.

Communism is when the people control the country without hierarchy.

That's Marx's theoretical utopia. Never happened. I'm talking about any intelligent conversation outside the US lol. There, Communism is the USSR, NK- and socialism is what we call social democracy- because RWers in the US can't separate the two.

You mean like how many liberals see conservatives and racists as the same? LOL

 

[francoHFW]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

Socialism is a cancer, once spineless fuck ups are addicted to it - it cannot be cured…

Much better to go back to potters' fields, poor houses, work houses, poisonous food, housing, employment that the dupes think was so wonderful. Read The Good Old Days-They Were Terrible!

 

[Rustic]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

Socialism is a cancer, once spineless fuck ups are addicted to it - it cannot be cured…

Much better to go back to potters' fields, poor houses, work houses, poisonous food, housing, employment that the dupes think was so wonderful. Read The Good Old Days-They Were Terrible!

Go live on the Indian reservation if you want to live pure Socialism.. it's a shit living
Socialism is the precursor to communism… Shit for brains

 

[eagle7_31]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

Socialism is a cancer, once spineless fuck ups are addicted to it - it cannot be cured…

Much better to go back to potters' fields, poor houses, work houses, poisonous food, housing, employment that the dupes think was so wonderful. Read The Good Old Days-They Were Terrible!

Another left wing loon on mind altering substances.

 

[francoHFW]

And you can prove that, right?

What does "work" mean in this context?

Venezuela, Greece, and so on. The USSR and China had to murder 10's of millions. None of that equates to success.

COMMUNISM is totalitarian where the state owns everything. Socialism is democratic, well regulated fair capitalism with a good safety net. Try getting that thru your thick brainwashed head.

No, that's not Communism at all. That's what the USSR was, it wasn't Communist at all, nor is China or any of the other countries that claim communism.

Communism is when the people control the country without hierarchy.

That's Marx's theoretical utopia. Never happened. I'm talking about any intelligent conversation outside the US lol. There, Communism is the USSR, NK- and socialism is what we call social democracy- because RWers in the US can't separate the two.

You mean like how many liberals see conservatives and racists as the same? LOL

No. lol. Deplorables, yes. lol

 

[Rustic]

Venezuela, Greece, and so on. The USSR and China had to murder 10's of millions. None of that equates to success.

COMMUNISM is totalitarian where the state owns everything. Socialism is democratic, well regulated fair capitalism with a good safety net. Try getting that thru your thick brainwashed head.

No, that's not Communism at all. That's what the USSR was, it wasn't Communist at all, nor is China or any of the other countries that claim communism.

Communism is when the people control the country without hierarchy.

That's Marx's theoretical utopia. Never happened. I'm talking about any intelligent conversation outside the US lol. There, Communism is the USSR, NK- and socialism is what we call social democracy- because RWers in the US can't separate the two.

You mean like how many liberals see conservatives and racists as the same? LOL

No. lol. Deplorables, yes. lol

 

[francoHFW]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

Socialism is a cancer, once spineless fuck ups are addicted to it - it cannot be cured…

Much better to go back to potters' fields, poor houses, work houses, poisonous food, housing, employment that the dupes think was so wonderful. Read The Good Old Days-They Were Terrible!

Go live on the Indian reservation if you want to live pure Socialism.. it's a shit living
Socialism is the precursor to communism… Shit for brains

A) Ridiculous. See Sweden, France, NZ etc. Even the USA with ACA- tho a pander to the rich GOP mess.
B.) Communism has NEVER evolved from socialism. Only by violent revolution.

 

[francoHFW]

COMMUNISM is totalitarian where the state owns everything. Socialism is democratic, well regulated fair capitalism with a good safety net. Try getting that thru your thick brainwashed head.

No, that's not Communism at all. That's what the USSR was, it wasn't Communist at all, nor is China or any of the other countries that claim communism.

Communism is when the people control the country without hierarchy.

That's Marx's theoretical utopia. Never happened. I'm talking about any intelligent conversation outside the US lol. There, Communism is the USSR, NK- and socialism is what we call social democracy- because RWers in the US can't separate the two.

You mean like how many liberals see conservatives and racists as the same? LOL

No. lol. Deplorables, yes. lol

Winston's talking about communism. He was very RW in that respect.

 

[Rustic]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

Socialism is a cancer, once spineless fuck ups are addicted to it - it cannot be cured…

Much better to go back to potters' fields, poor houses, work houses, poisonous food, housing, employment that the dupes think was so wonderful. Read The Good Old Days-They Were Terrible!

Go live on the Indian reservation if you want to live pure Socialism.. it's a shit living
Socialism is the precursor to communism… Shit for brains

A) Ridiculous. See Sweden, France, NZ etc. Even the USA with ACA- tho a pander to the rich GOP mess.
B.) Communism has NEVER evolved from socialism. Only by violent revolution.

Na...

 

[Rustic]

No, that's not Communism at all. That's what the USSR was, it wasn't Communist at all, nor is China or any of the other countries that claim communism.

Communism is when the people control the country without hierarchy.

That's Marx's theoretical utopia. Never happened. I'm talking about any intelligent conversation outside the US lol. There, Communism is the USSR, NK- and socialism is what we call social democracy- because RWers in the US can't separate the two.

You mean like how many liberals see conservatives and racists as the same? LOL

No. lol. Deplorables, yes. lol

Winston's talking about communism. He was very RW in that respect.

 

[francoHFW]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

Socialism is a cancer, once spineless fuck ups are addicted to it - it cannot be cured…

Much better to go back to potters' fields, poor houses, work houses, poisonous food, housing, employment that the dupes think was so wonderful. Read The Good Old Days-They Were Terrible!

Another left wing loon on mind altering substances.

Reagan also believed the gilded age was the best...ignorant loon lol

 

[francoHFW]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

Socialism is a cancer, once spineless fuck ups are addicted to it - it cannot be cured…

Much better to go back to potters' fields, poor houses, work houses, poisonous food, housing, employment that the dupes think was so wonderful. Read The Good Old Days-They Were Terrible!

Go live on the Indian reservation if you want to live pure Socialism.. it's a shit living
Socialism is the precursor to communism… Shit for brains

A) Ridiculous. See Sweden, France, NZ etc. Even the USA with ACA- tho a pander to the rich GOP mess.
B.) Communism has NEVER evolved from socialism. Only by violent revolution.

Na...

Another loony theorist...Try the 21st century- or after 1945...

 

[Rustic]

socialism/communism are fucked up from the beginning, because they force people that want nothing to do with them into their incestuous government... if they were worth a shit, people would want to join voluntarily… Voluntarily!

 

[Rustic]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

If you pay more in taxes, you get a greater tax cut in raw dollars. Define "poor". Most poor and even lower middle class pay no taxes. If they got a tax cut it means they were paid even though they did not pay taxes. I have no problem with that just like I have no problem with the high income earners netting more dollars in a tax cut vs. what get because they are already paying more dollars than I do in taxes. My problem is the Left simply uses this as a vehicle to stir up class warfare to make US more like the failed socialist economies around the world. We have limited socialism. Let's keep it that way.

I agree on the limited socialism. Nobody in politics is even promoting 'socialism'. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist but he isn't. He's not advocating for the government to control all the means of production. He's talking about social justice and equality in specific areas like healthcare and I agree that it is a right for humans to have access to adequate healthcare. The newer generations believe this as well. I'm not for the nationalization of industry or business. Certainly they need to be regulated because all human systems move towards concentrating the wealth in the hands of a few at the expense of the many. Just as with a nuclear reactor you need control rods or the reaction burns itself up. This is true for all human systems through all of history. Left unchecked they give us The Bush Great Recession of 2008. Greedy people do not police themselves. They in fact look for never ending ways to cheat and manipulate the system in their favor.

GD it LOL, socialism definition- the basic one- says owns or REGULATES means of production. Pure socialism, COMMUNISM, owns them, socialism- now defined as democratic, REGULATES.

This is the most misunderstood word in America...

Well, why don't you guys keep that fucked up shit to yourselves leave the rest of us out of it?
If Socialism was worth a shit you would not have to force it on other people…

 

[frigidweirdo]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

Afhghanistan was occupied and waged war upon by communists for years
Vietnam suffered untold misery at the hands of the communist party, and most of the gains in life expectancy, individual income, etc have been made because the ruling party has allowed some concessions to the free market

Well, Afghanistan suffer MORE under the US and Britain than the USSR, and Vietnam suffered MORE under the US than supposed Communism, and suffered MORE under the French too. Don't let facts get in the way of a bad argument though.

by what metric do you make that claim?

By the one of facts.

whaat facts?

Estimates for the Vietnam War seem to range anywhere between 900,000 Vietnamese killed to 2 million killed.

Up to 700,000 people killed in the First Indochina War.

That's France the US's involvement in Vietnam.

Compare that to the post Vietnam War period, and Vietnam has been steadily progressing. They gained their independence and life is better there.

They are facts.

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

Afhghanistan was occupied and waged war upon by communists for years
Vietnam suffered untold misery at the hands of the communist party, and most of the gains in life expectancy, individual income, etc have been made because the ruling party has allowed some concessions to the free market

Well, Afghanistan suffer MORE under the US and Britain than the USSR, and Vietnam suffered MORE under the US than supposed Communism, and suffered MORE under the French too. Don't let facts get in the way of a bad argument though.

by what metric do you make that claim?

By the one of facts.

whaat facts?

Estimates for the Vietnam War seem to range anywhere between 900,000 Vietnamese killed to 2 million killed.

Up to 700,000 people killed in the First Indochina War.

That's France the US's involvement in Vietnam.

Compare that to the post Vietnam War period, and Vietnam has been steadily progressing. They gained their independence and life is better there.

They are facts.

much of the improvement is due to the communist party abandoning Stalinist policy and instituting free market reforms.
hardcore communism in the neighboring country, under the Khmer rouge didn't work out thawesome for the Khmer people.
and the French occupation had more to do with imperialism than pure capitalism. for a long, long time, france has been one of the moresocialistic nations in the west.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, Afghanistan suffer MORE under the US and Britain than the USSR, and Vietnam suffered MORE under the US than supposed Communism, and suffered MORE under the French too. Don't let facts get in the way of a bad argument though.

by what metric do you make that claim?

By the one of facts.

whaat facts?

Estimates for the Vietnam War seem to range anywhere between 900,000 Vietnamese killed to 2 million killed.

Up to 700,000 people killed in the First Indochina War.

That's France the US's involvement in Vietnam.

Compare that to the post Vietnam War period, and Vietnam has been steadily progressing. They gained their independence and life is better there.

They are facts.

much of the improvement is due to the communist party abandoning Stalinist policy and instituting free market reforms.
hardcore communism in the neighboring country, under the Khmer rouge didn't work out thawesome for the Khmer people.
and the French occupation had more to do with imperialism than pure capitalism. for a long, long time, france has been one of the moresocialistic nations in the west.

Well, again, what they had wasn't Communism. It was this distorted bastardized view of Communism, like the USSR had, that wasn't anything like how Communism is supposed to be.

Again, I don't like Socialism or Communism, and Vietnam is using a free market policies, but that still doesn't say that Capitalism didn't destroy their country in the first place, pushing it towards those who would try and implement their view of Communism, forcibly, and then the wars that followed.

The US is the biggest threat to global security and has been for a long time.

 

[francoHFW]

socialism/communism are fucked up from the beginning, because they force people that want nothing to do with them into their incestuous government... if they were worth a shit, people would want to join voluntarily… Voluntarily!

Socialism is NZ, communism is Red China. PLEASE!!

 

[Rustic]

socialism/communism are fucked up from the beginning, because they force people that want nothing to do with them into their incestuous government... if they were worth a shit, people would want to join voluntarily… Voluntarily!

Socialism is NZ, communism is Red China. PLEASE!!

Socialism should be kept to yourselves, why force it on other people that want nothing to do with it and it would make their lives a living shithole?