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Do you understand that this is not at all responsive to what he said? The mere fact that he likes the system he lives under is a rebuttal of your claim that it's a crappy system without virtues; if that were so, people who live under it wouldn't like it. The fact that you seem to think (without any first-hand knowledge, by the way) that YOU wouldn't like it doesn't answer this in any way.
I said nothing about virtues... except in the round about way to say if your 'virtue' calls you to pay more into a system of government, knock yourself out
Been in foreign countries... by business and by deployment.... I'll take the free society this is supposed to be over that crap any day
And I will fight til my dying breath, those like you who wish to turn this away from a free society into your bullshit socialist style' 'paradise'
How much time have you spent living in Europe? You do not know about freedom, just what has been shoved down your throat.
I said nothing about virtues... except in the round about way to say if your 'virtue' calls you to pay more into a system of government, knock yourself out
Been in foreign countries... by business and by deployment.... I'll take the free society this is supposed to be over that crap any day
And I will fight til my dying breath, those like you who wish to turn this away from a free society into your bullshit socialist style' 'paradise'
socialism is the antithesis of freedom
I have no problem with the tax rates, we receive many benefits from them.
I receive many more benefits from my own earnings... And I am the one entitled to them, in a free country
You ain't owed shit by society...
You can keep your 60+% taxation, your crappy rationed health care, etc.... I am sure if you feel like you should give extra, they will let you... just like there is no stopping someone from paying extra to sooth their guilt in the US
You are as ignorant of the tax rates as you are about the health care. Stick to discussing something that you know about.
I said nothing about virtues... except in the round about way to say if your 'virtue' calls you to pay more into a system of government, knock yourself out
When I say that an economic system "has virtues" (or doesn't), I'm not referring to morality but rather to positive benefits of any kind.
Been in foreign countries... by business and by deployment.... I'll take the free society this is supposed to be over that crap any day
And I will fight til my dying breath, those like you who wish to turn this away from a free society into your bullshit socialist style' 'paradise'
You still aren't saying anything, or at least not anything coherent, in response to what the other poster said. Yes, we realize that the suggestion of incorporating civilized socialist features into the U.S. economy produces a storm of emotion in you and makes you spout reflexive, knee-jerk responses like the above. That however is not an argument, not an attempt to persuade, not really anything to suggest that he is wrong.
socialism is the antithesis of freedom
Whose freedom to do what?
You may feel it is a 'positive benefit' because you are getting the 'benefit' at the expense of someone else's contribution..... it is not a benefit when you are the one paying the burden, being one of the 50% that pays for the other 50%
Oh... and the freedom of the earner/contributor... being bound to those who either cannot or choose not to do for themselves...
It is a positive benefit because it produces a society that is more pleasant to live in, with less crime and violence, with better-educated people and healthier people, with better quality of life all around. That's worth more to me than a little extra spending money.
The happiest countries in the world are socialist.
Happiest Nations Are Mostly Northern Socialist Nations | Culture of Life News
It is a positive benefit because it produces a society that is more pleasant to live in, with less crime and violence, with better-educated people and healthier people, with better quality of life all around. That's worth more to me than a little extra spending money.
that's becuase personalized emotional reckoning is your compass
if you can reconcile how it feels.....it is absolute reality
the entitlement mentality is the driving causation behind most social ills
You may feel it is a 'positive benefit' because you are getting the 'benefit' at the expense of someone else's contribution..... it is not a benefit when you are the one paying the burden, being one of the 50% that pays for the other 50%
It is a positive benefit because it produces a society that is more pleasant to live in, with less crime and violence, with better-educated people and healthier people, with better quality of life all around. That's worth more to me than a little extra spending money.
Oh... and the freedom of the earner/contributor... being bound to those who either cannot or choose not to do for themselves...
So what you're championing here is the maximum freedom of a society's biggest winners, to abdicate all social responsibility or all sense of community, and to behave with complete selfishness. At the expense of those who are less able, for whatever reason, having the freedom that comes with a decent minimum standard of living. You are in short championing the maximal freedom of the rich, at the expense of even minimal freedoms for anyone else.
I'm sorry, but I don't find that even slightly admirable.
How quickly Socialism can destroy a country]
Thanks again to Booosh Administration and their cronies on Wall St. for wrecking the world economy....Spanish bankers bought heavily into toxic assets, from US and at home.
Many thanks to Pubs blocking all normal jobs bills, blocking the WORLD recovery just to get Obama, pushing failed ideology in BS electioneering, and blaming everything on socialism, lazy unemployed etc.
More proof that Rush is not only a big fat idiot, but a braindead hateful troll. Spain had 24% unemployment in 1994/5 under conservatives when I was there. Anyway, their conservatives are dittohead "commies".
The happiest countries in the world are socialist.
Happiest Nations Are Mostly Northern Socialist Nations | Culture of Life News
9 of the 10 lack a leech class
are predominately homogenous
there is sense of self-accountability, work ethic and responsibilty culturally engrained
...It only took the liberals and the socialists seven years to practically destroy Spain. It only took them seven years. It wasn't that long ago that they elected this far-left government after 9/11, because the terrorists blew up a train station, and the leader of Spain wanted to cave and give the terrorists whatever they wanted to make sure that there were no more terror attacks on the train station or anything else. That was a rebuke to Bush. Was a rebuke to Bush. So the people of Spain elected this far-left, fringe government. In seven years, less than seven years, with a green jobs economy. It was one of the foundational building blocks of the new socialist regime, green jobs. They created 21% unemployment.
They did exactly what Barack Obama's trying to do here. Obama's on a faster pace than the leftist government of Spain. He's been less than three years, and look at the destruction. It took the government of Spain seven years, but the people of Spain said no mas, don't want it anymore, voted en masse for conservatism.
Spain Says, "No Mas!" to Socialists Who Destroyed the Country, Votes Conservative - The Rush Limbaugh Show
It must be a "bitter pill" for "ScreamingEagle" to swallow when confronted by the fact that the countries who have retained their S&P AAA ratings also have public healthcare systems and would all be considered "socialist" by American standards.S&P’s list of AAA Rated Countries, All of Which Have Socialized Health Care
..... Republicans, Conservatives and Tea Partiers united, saying Socialized Health Care would wreak havoc on our economy. They proceeded to deem President Obama as an evil Socialist trying to turn this country into an evil-Marxist-Maoist-Communist [just fill in the blank] entity, but the following countries have socialized medicine and they have an AAA status with Standard & Poor’s.
Now that the USA no longer has a stellar AAA status, all remaining countries with AAA ratings have socialized medicine .....
AAA countries according to Standard & Poor’s:
Austrailia
Austria
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Guernsey
Hong Kong
Isle of Man
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Singapore
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
http://freakoutnation.com/2011/08/06/s-all-of-which-have-socialized-health-care/
actually i have to disagree with you after a point....because nations such as Sweden do have a "leech class"......able-bodied people who collect welfare....over time this has developed and will ultimately be their undoing unless they correct it....
...It only took the liberals and the socialists seven years to practically destroy Spain. It only took them seven years. It wasn't that long ago that they elected this far-left government after 9/11, because the terrorists blew up a train station, and the leader of Spain wanted to cave and give the terrorists whatever they wanted to make sure that there were no more terror attacks on the train station or anything else. That was a rebuke to Bush. Was a rebuke to Bush. So the people of Spain elected this far-left, fringe government. In seven years, less than seven years, with a green jobs economy. It was one of the foundational building blocks of the new socialist regime, green jobs. They created 21% unemployment.
They did exactly what Barack Obama's trying to do here. Obama's on a faster pace than the leftist government of Spain. He's been less than three years, and look at the destruction. It took the government of Spain seven years, but the people of Spain said no mas, don't want it anymore, voted en masse for conservatism.
Spain Says, "No Mas!" to Socialists Who Destroyed the Country, Votes Conservative - The Rush Limbaugh ShowIt must be a "bitter pill" for "ScreamingEagle" to swallow when confronted with the fact that all of the countries with S&P AAA ratings have public healthcare systems and would all be considered "socialist" by American standards.S&Ps list of AAA Rated Countries, All of Which Have Socialized Health Care
..... Republicans, Conservatives and Tea Partiers united, saying Socialized Health Care would wreak havoc on our economy. They proceeded to deem President Obama as an evil Socialist trying to turn this country into an evil-Marxist-Maoist-Communist [just fill in the blank] entity, but the following countries have socialized medicine and they have an AAA status with Standard & Poors.
Now that the USA no longer has a stellar AAA status, all remaining countries with AAA ratings have socialized medicine .....
AAA countries according to Standard & Poors:
Austrailia
Austria
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Guernsey
Hong Kong
Isle of Man
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Singapore
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
FreakOutNation » S&Ps list of AAA Rated Countries, All of Which Have Socialized Health Care
