How quickly Socialism can destroy a country

[L.K.Eder]

Europe might well find muslim domination better than marxism.

possible, but highly unlikely.

marxism goes strong in europe.

nearly 3 fourth of europeans are marxist agents.

 

[Sallow]

Socialism combined with capitalism works.

you mean like in Spain......and all those other failing Euro countries.....?

Spain isn't failing. Not on it's own. Spain's banks are in good shape and although the economy isn't so great..it's much better then say, Italy. The debacle starts when the EU has to prop up failing banks and countries.

 

[DiamondDave]

They get a lot for that.

You can get a lot for an 80% tax too... hell, why not a 100% tax and just make everyone like a worker in a hive??

Sorry Charlie... I do not live to support you or yours because either you can't or won't do it...

I am not some ward of the state nor some puppet to be controlled by it

You may think that people exist to support you by force..

I think people have the freedom and should have that freedom protected by government, to survive, succeed, fail, be mediocre, or anything else all on their own... and if those people feel the personal need to give, support others, or whatever, they should be afforded the freedom to do so... and if those people don't, you can sneer at them or ridicule them all you want, but you don't have the right to take that freedom away from them (nor does government have that right)

I do not know where you are getting these tax figures, but the people in these countries are doing well and have a better life experience than most Americans.

According to a little biased organization or survey?? Or your own little opinion??

No.. the tax rate in Sweden is indeed over 55% and that does not count the other taxes and the VAT of 25% that is paid....

You may think all you earn is the property of others and should be confiscated for the use of others... and you should be free to just give your money away like that if you so choose... but as a person who supports the concept of freedom and lives by it, you can suck a fart out of my ass, for I don't live to support you nor others like you

 

[MikeK]

The only thing europe is a shining example of is, what NOT to do. The entire EU is a train wreck in progress.

Socialism bleeds a country dry of it's resources and kills incentive. It's good for NOTHING.

Give me freedom or give me death, and I'm damn glad we kicked the British out of here hundreds of years ago.

We're not the EU, and we damn sure don't want to be.

First, the existing situation is those nations which are categorically socialist are considered the "happiest" (most successful in terms of humanistic contentment). Personal speculations as to these nations' respective futures are irrelevant. The fact is, contrary to standard right-wing opinion, their present status speaks well for socialism.

That said, I did not nor did anyone else writing in this thread suggest that the U.S. should or could adopt an all-encompassing socialist system. In fact, for a number of reasons, such would not be compatible with our size and political structure. But there is no question that the most economically successful period in our history, the 40s thru the 80s, was attended by socialist regulations and policies which exercised control over our essentially capitalist economy.

That situation did not mean the U.S. was a socialist nation. What it meant is some socialist policies are good and should not be subject to the condemnations inherent in the right-wing brainwash. But most of those regulations have been eliminated and we are seeing the results of it today.

 

[kiwiman127]

First of all, the US's version of socialism does not fit the model of true socialism.

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Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

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We have programs that fall under socialistic programs (safety nets) such as Social Security and Medicare. But the US isn't even close to the socialistic programs offered by European countries.
The question that arises in my mind is do we need to fix our current system which also isn't working for a huge majority of Americans?
It seems to me that those who are crying and whining about socialism are satisfied with the status quo of wealth/income inequality which factually exists in the US. The continuation of this trend cannot continue, if it does we can say goodbye the Middle Class. If the Middle Class of America continues to weaken or just plain disappears the US economy will continue to slide downwards. There is no rational reason for wanting this to happen, yet it is happening.
Let's not forget that 70% of the US economy is driven by consumer spending. How can this model continue if the Middle Class continues to lose wealth and continues to receive flat wages that don't keep up with inflation?
Yes, capitalism is good as history clearly shows. Unfettered capitalism is not good as the last decade clearly indicates.

consumer spending means the consumers must have jobs to make the money in the first place.....but jobs are disappearing because we are no longer as competitive in the world market.....we have one of the highest corporate tax rates and a plethora of regulations.....

Yes, the US has one of the highest statutory corporate tax rates in the world. The US also offers the most tax write-offs/loopholes in the world, thusly drastically reducing their effective tax rate. That's why GE paid no taxes, that is was Exxon hasn't paid any taxes in past years and that's why a majority of corporations have been able to not pay taxes in various tax years.

Study says most corporations pay no U.S. income taxes
Study says most corporations pay no U.S. income taxes | Reuters

Yet wages became stagnant long before globalization began it's stride and not even got close to reaching it's apex. There wasn't concerns or even much movement at all in outsourcing jobs overseas at that time or even a decade later..

 

[OODA_Loop]

What it meant is some socialist policies are good and should not be subject to the condemnations inherent in the right-wing brainwash. But most of those regulations have been eliminated and we are seeing the results of it today.

yes the brainwashed opposistion should not be allowed to condemn what you deem as "good"

you think just like Obama

left-wing brainwash

 

[Dragon]

It's amazing to me how completely not based in fact the opinions of so-called "conservatives" are, even when the facts are easily available with a quick Google search.

Myth 6: Europe has a lower standard of living than the United States. « Washington Policy Watch

List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yet we keep hearing from the right how bad things are in Europe, how miserably the economy is doing in European countries, how everyone is poor, economic growth is miserable, blah blah blah like they're reciting holy writ -- and maybe that's actually the answer. Except that not ALL conservatives can be religious-right types, can they? The habit of dogmatic thinking can be expected to dominate religious conservatives, but what about conservatives who aren't particularly religious?

There's no good explanation for it that I can see, but the observable reality is clear: the right simply is not fact based. The right insists on creating, in the minds of its members, a separate reality divorced from all the data.

 

[Chris]

The horrible results of socialism and universal healthcare....

 

[OODA_Loop]

It's amazing to me how completely not based in fact the opinions of so-called "conservatives" are, even when the facts are easily available with a quick Google search.

And yet we keep hearing from the right how bad things are in Europe, how miserably the economy is doing in European countries

you do not follow the international money / credit markets

 

[L.K.Eder]

It's amazing to me how completely not based in fact the opinions of so-called "conservatives" are, even when the facts are easily available with a quick Google search.

And yet we keep hearing from the right how bad things are in Europe, how miserably the economy is doing in European countries

you do not follow the international money / credit markets

did you check the US market recently?

 

[kiwiman127]

It's amazing to me how completely not based in fact the opinions of so-called "conservatives" are, even when the facts are easily available with a quick Google search.

And yet we keep hearing from the right how bad things are in Europe, how miserably the economy is doing in European countries

you do not follow the international money / credit markets

Have you checked Main Street America of late?

 

[OODA_Loop]

It's amazing to me how completely not based in fact the opinions of so-called "conservatives" are, even when the facts are easily available with a quick Google search.

And yet we keep hearing from the right how bad things are in Europe, how miserably the economy is doing in European countries

you do not follow the international money / credit markets

did you check the US market recently?

maybe 200 times a day

 

[OODA_Loop]

Have you checked Main Street America of late?

checked as in ?

 

[L.K.Eder]

you do not follow the international money / credit markets

did you check the US market recently?

maybe 200 times a day

did you like it?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Enough with the facts, logic, and reason. Quit trying to hijack a troll thread.

This is more an ignorant conservative thread.

Voters in Spain were angry because government wasn’t doing enough to address unemployment. They want the new government to do more. ‘Conservative’ in Europe isn’t the same as ‘conservative’ in the United States.

It's amazing to me how completely not based in fact the opinions of so-called "conservatives" are, even when the facts are easily available with a quick Google search.

Considering the right’s dogmatic paradigm hostile to facts, it’s really not amazing at all.

 

[midcan5]

so typical.....blame Booooosh......but Bush was a liberal Republican......

so Spain can't get any more loans.....gosh i wonder why.....maybe because their Green Scheme wasn't making any money to pay for those schemes.....?

as an Obama socialist supporter i hope you have a smile on your face when he doubles YOUR electric bill.....

Bush was a liberal republican!!!! You gotta be kidding. It is so funny how failure changes names. As for green jobs, we covered that too, try to keep up - but if you really think Bush was liberal, thought is missing and you are truly lost. And isn't raising prices a capitalist thing to do? Socialism is a bit too reasonable and humane for real use with real people.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/gener...job-created-2-1-2-are-lost-4.html#post1823399

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[Mr. Shaman]

...It only took the liberals and the socialists seven years to practically destroy Spain. It only took them seven years.

C'mon.....c'mon.....admit it.

Republicans have been at it, here, since 1980!!!!!!

How embarrassing, it'll be (for them), to watch CHINA.....

....turn-things-around!!!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

How quickly Socialism can destroy a country

Yeah.....your 1%er buds are reeeaaallly......

.....WORRIED about Socialism!!!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

C'mon,
TEABAGGERS!!!!

WALL STREET IS IN NEED O'....

...YOUR SUPPORT!!!!

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[Contumacious]

An approach that has worked better than either of those two failures is what might be called a mixed, managed market, social-democratic,.

AKA, Fascism,

exactly, fascism is wonderful......ask the greeks, italians......

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