How quickly Socialism can destroy a country

[ScreamingEagle]

...It only took the liberals and the socialists seven years to practically destroy Spain. It only took them seven years. It wasn't that long ago that they elected this far-left government after 9/11, because the terrorists blew up a train station, and the leader of Spain wanted to cave and give the terrorists whatever they wanted to make sure that there were no more terror attacks on the train station or anything else. That was a rebuke to Bush. Was a rebuke to Bush. So the people of Spain elected this far-left, fringe government. In seven years, less than seven years, with a green jobs economy. It was one of the foundational building blocks of the new socialist regime, green jobs. They created 21% unemployment.

They did exactly what Barack Obama's trying to do here. Obama's on a faster pace than the leftist government of Spain. He's been less than three years, and look at the destruction. It took the government of Spain seven years, but the people of Spain said no mas, don't want it anymore, voted en masse for conservatism.

Spain Says, "No Mas!" to Socialists Who Destroyed the Country, Votes Conservative - The Rush Limbaugh Show

You obviously know very little about Spain's history of high unemployment under any party rule. The fact is that unemployment continued to decrease under the socialist rule until after 2007 when almost every economy started going bad. The unemployment rate had little if anything to do with the socialist agenda.

the socialist government reined in spending.
they had a housing bubble, which burst.
they were hit by the world economic crisis.
unemployment is at record high, especially for people under 25.
the population did not like the austerity measures implemented by the socialists after and during the crisis.

rajoy has done nothing but sit back and wait.

now he has to deliver.

rajoy just got elected and is not officially in charge until before Christmas according to the Spanish Constitution...

....but i suppose you just want to parrot the liberal media's instant negativity about him because nothing has magically and instantly corrected the situation...the current situation which was caused in large part by the socialists in power for the last 7 years...

....socialist things like raising the minimum wage....health coverage that covered every little thing....rent subsidies....$3,500 to mothers per child born......you know all those expensive things that socialists never seem to figure out how to pay for...and let's not forget all that expensive "green" stuff....

yes... Zapatero has recently attempted during his second term to contain costs.....because the only alternative was bankruptcy....

Spain was doing well when he took office.....but ever since then the country went downhill....no wonder the Spanish people are fed up....

 

[DiamondDave]

Socialism combined with capitalism works.

That is like saying cooking combined with a raw food diet works...

I eat both and I am very healthy. Thank you for pointing this out.

And you can't cook a raw food diet....

So it's about as bullshit as your leftist's view that socialism is compatible with a free capitalist society

 

[Chris]

auditor/dragon....

if socialism/socialism mix is so great......explain why the Spanish people are ejecting the 'fantastic' socialist party....?

Who cares?

Socialism works really well in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland.

It works well here too.

The police department, the fire department, the interstate highway system, Social Security, Medicare, and the U.S. military are all socialist.

And they all work well.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

That is like saying cooking combined with a raw food diet works...

I eat both and I am very healthy. Thank you for pointing this out.

And you can't cook a raw food diet....

So it's about as bullshit as your leftist's view that socialism is compatible with a free capitalist society

Gee......ya' gonna run, cryin', to the Mods, over this??

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[Chris]

Denmark is a place where stoic locals wear sensible shoes and snack on herring sandwiches. Sure, they produce the occasional supermodel, but its most famous countryman may be the late entertainer Victor Borge.

Could the Danes really be the happiest people in the world? When ABC News anchor Bill Weir traveled there to find out, he asked random Danes to rate themselves in terms of happiness, on a scale of one to 10. Many people rated themselves at least an eight, and there were several nines and 10s. Finally, one grouchy Dane came along who said she didn't believe Danes were so happy. But then she quickly conceded that she herself felt rather content with her life, and said Danes in general had very little to complain about.

Danes do have one potential complaint: high taxes. The happiest people in the world pay some of the highest taxes in the world -- between 50 percent and 70 percent of their incomes. In exchange, the government covers all health care and education, and spends more on children and the elderly than any country in the world per capita. With just 5.5 million people, the system is efficient, and people feel "tryghed" -- the Danish word for "tucked in" -- like a snug child.

Those high taxes have another effect. Since a banker can end up taking home as much money as an artist, people don't chose careers based on income or status. "They have this thing called 'Jante-lov,' which essentially says, 'You're no better then anybody else,'" said Buettner. "A garbage man can live in a middle-class neighborhood and hold his head high."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=4086092&page=1

 

[ScreamingEagle]

auditor/dragon....

if socialism/socialism mix is so great......explain why the Spanish people are ejecting the 'fantastic' socialist party....?

Who cares?

Socialism works really well in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland.

It works well here too.

The police department, the fire department, the interstate highway system, Social Security, Medicare, and the U.S. military are all socialist.

And they all work well.

in small doses.... a capitalistic country can withstand socialistic practices.....but not when it attacks the whole system....

 

[NoNukes]

That is like saying cooking combined with a raw food diet works...

I eat both and I am very healthy. Thank you for pointing this out.

And you can't cook a raw food diet....

So it's about as bullshit as your leftist's view that socialism is compatible with a free capitalist society

You said cooking combined with a raw food diet.

You dehydrate a raw food diet.

It is compatible in Europe and works well in the country that I live in. You just do not know much about any country other than the United States. How many other countries have you lived in?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

auditor/dragon....

if socialism/socialism mix is so great......explain why the Spanish people are ejecting the 'fantastic' socialist party....?

Who cares?

Socialism works really well in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland.

It works well here too.

The police department, the fire department, the interstate highway system, Social Security, Medicare, and the U.S. military are all socialist.

And they all work well.

Easy, there!!!

You risk....

....educating White-Wingers!!!

 

[DiamondDave]

auditor/dragon....

if socialism/socialism mix is so great......explain why the Spanish people are ejecting the 'fantastic' socialist party....?

Who cares?

Socialism works really well in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland.

It works well here too.

The police department, the fire department, the interstate highway system, Social Security, Medicare, and the U.S. military are all socialist.

And they all work well.

in small doses.... a capitalistic country can withstand socialistic practices.....but not when it attacks the whole system....

And total govt confiscation tax rates are WHAT in those countries??

How much confiscation is enough?? Providers paying how much for non-contributors is enough WHEN??

These morons like Chrissypoo just don't get it

 

[NoNukes]

Who cares?

Socialism works really well in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland.

It works well here too.

The police department, the fire department, the interstate highway system, Social Security, Medicare, and the U.S. military are all socialist.

And they all work well.

in small doses.... a capitalistic country can withstand socialistic practices.....but not when it attacks the whole system....

And total govt confiscation tax rates are WHAT in those countries??

How much confiscation is enough?? Providers paying how much for non-contributors is enough WHEN??

These morons like Chrissypoo just don't get it

I have no problem with the tax rates, we receive many benefits from them.

 

[DiamondDave]

in small doses.... a capitalistic country can withstand socialistic practices.....but not when it attacks the whole system....

And total govt confiscation tax rates are WHAT in those countries??

How much confiscation is enough?? Providers paying how much for non-contributors is enough WHEN??

These morons like Chrissypoo just don't get it

I have no problem with the tax rates, we receive many benefits from them.

I receive many more benefits from my own earnings... And I am the one entitled to them, in a free country

You ain't owed shit by society...

You can keep your 60+% taxation, your crappy rationed health care, etc.... I am sure if you feel like you should give extra, they will let you... just like there is no stopping someone from paying extra to sooth their guilt in the US

 

[Dragon]

I receive many more benefits from my own earnings... And I am the one entitled to them, in a free country

You ain't owed shit by society...

You can keep your 60+% taxation, your crappy rationed health care, etc.... I am sure if you feel like you should give extra, they will let you... just like there is no stopping someone from paying extra to sooth their guilt in the US

Do you understand that this is not at all responsive to what he said? The mere fact that he likes the system he lives under is a rebuttal of your claim that it's a crappy system without virtues; if that were so, people who live under it wouldn't like it. The fact that you seem to think (without any first-hand knowledge, by the way) that YOU wouldn't like it doesn't answer this in any way.

 

[DiamondDave]

I receive many more benefits from my own earnings... And I am the one entitled to them, in a free country

You ain't owed shit by society...

You can keep your 60+% taxation, your crappy rationed health care, etc.... I am sure if you feel like you should give extra, they will let you... just like there is no stopping someone from paying extra to sooth their guilt in the US

Do you understand that this is not at all responsive to what he said? The mere fact that he likes the system he lives under is a rebuttal of your claim that it's a crappy system without virtues; if that were so, people who live under it wouldn't like it. The fact that you seem to think (without any first-hand knowledge, by the way) that YOU wouldn't like it doesn't answer this in any way.

I said nothing about virtues... except in the round about way to say if your 'virtue' calls you to pay more into a system of government, knock yourself out

Been in foreign countries... by business and by deployment.... I'll take the free society this is supposed to be over that crap any day

And I will fight til my dying breath, those like you who wish to turn this away from a free society into your bullshit socialist style' 'paradise'

 

[NoNukes]

And total govt confiscation tax rates are WHAT in those countries??

How much confiscation is enough?? Providers paying how much for non-contributors is enough WHEN??

These morons like Chrissypoo just don't get it

I have no problem with the tax rates, we receive many benefits from them.

I receive many more benefits from my own earnings... And I am the one entitled to them, in a free country

You ain't owed shit by society...

You can keep your 60+% taxation, your crappy rationed health care, etc.... I am sure if you feel like you should give extra, they will let you... just like there is no stopping someone from paying extra to sooth their guilt in the US

You are as ignorant of the tax rates as you are about the health care. Stick to discussing something that you know about.

 

[NoNukes]

I receive many more benefits from my own earnings... And I am the one entitled to them, in a free country

You ain't owed shit by society...

You can keep your 60+% taxation, your crappy rationed health care, etc.... I am sure if you feel like you should give extra, they will let you... just like there is no stopping someone from paying extra to sooth their guilt in the US

Do you understand that this is not at all responsive to what he said? The mere fact that he likes the system he lives under is a rebuttal of your claim that it's a crappy system without virtues; if that were so, people who live under it wouldn't like it. The fact that you seem to think (without any first-hand knowledge, by the way) that YOU wouldn't like it doesn't answer this in any way.

I said nothing about virtues... except in the round about way to say if your 'virtue' calls you to pay more into a system of government, knock yourself out

Been in foreign countries... by business and by deployment.... I'll take the free society this is supposed to be over that crap any day

And I will fight til my dying breath, those like you who wish to turn this away from a free society into your bullshit socialist style' 'paradise'

How much time have you spent living in Europe? You do not know about freedom, just what has been shoved down your throat.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Obama wants a "green economy" and has praised Spain's green economy as a role model many times.....but this stupid socialist attempt has been nothing but failure in Spain.....take heed America....

Spain: A Precursor of Our Future Under Obama

I recently had a chance to interview Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor from Spain, whose pioneering work on the interplay between green energy subsides and job creation has been widely cited. His conclusion, backed up by data and facts not blind hope, is that 2.2 jobs are lost for each one "created" by government promotion of green energy jobs. Money is taken from productive parts of the economy and channeled for political purposes into wasteful green energy projects. The damage is compounded by the very high energy prices that come from the "free" energy of the sun and wind. His work is especially relevant because Obama has praised Spain no fewer than eight times as a role model for a green economy.
...

When I asked Professor Calzada about the genesis of Spain's green energy program he answered that it was the desire of Spanish political elites to be "world leaders" that drove the program -- and the Spanish economy off the cliff. Ironically, it was the Conservative Party in Spain that created the legislation that led to this disaster (it allowed so called feed-in tariffs to boost prices paid for renewable energy; California is among the states in America that have similar programs). But it was the socialists who used this law to create a vast renewable power industry fueled by government taxing, borrowing, and spending.

It was the desire of political elites to be perceived to be world leaders that led to this disaster. That certainly has echoes here in America when such terminology is repeatedly used by Barack Obama to justify his Green Schemes. It would not be the first time that personal ego played a role in damaging a nation. Indeed, Barack Obama seems to have a bit of an Edifice Complex --the problem arises when we have to pay for monuments that gratify his ego.


Professor Calzada explained that jobs were not the initial impetus behind the launch of vast programs to set up wind and solar farms. That only came later when promoters grasped onto then as a way to rationalize continued wasteful spending. Then banks and other financial institutions joined the party, lending vast sums to the promoters of the ventures. A vicious circle developed; banks were so heavily invested in these boondoggles that pulling the plug on government spending would bankrupt many of the Green Energy companies they had extended loans to. So then banks, to protect their own future, started promoting green energy programs and the prospects of politicians who would stand with them. Jobs would be lost, loans would go bad, companies would go bankrupt -- so the spending spree continued. But, as Margaret Thatcher noted, the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

Spain is now teetering on the brink of economic ruin. All the solar and wind farms on the sun-drenched plains of Spain will not restore the nation to health. They are saddled with sky-high energy bills (the price of electricity has soared over 100% since the Socialist took power in 2004) and weighed down by vast amounts of debt spent to boost the egos of politicians and line the pockets of profiteers who depend on them.

The victims of course were the Spanish people -- those who lost their jobs, those who faced a bleak economy, and those in years to come who will be responsible for paying back the vast amounts borrowed to fuel these pipedreams. There is some hope though: the Socialists have recently been trounced in the polls. The Spanish people are rebelling.

They are also trying to warn us. There has been a tsunami of solar bankruptcies in Spain as subsides have been cut. One Spanish newspaper had a headline, "Spain admits that the green economy sold to Obama is a ruin ." That is the same snake oil he is trying to peddle to Americans.

I had the opportunity to ask Professor Calzada if he had been in contact with the Obama administration. He said that he had twice tried to contact Energy Secretary Chu to inform him that he was coming to America and would be more than happy to meet with administration officials to discuss his work on green energy programs and job creation. Chu was too busy to meet with Calzada. Nor would he even send an underling to discuss Calzada's findings. Wasn't this the team that prided itself on respecting science and facts and listening to the views of others?

Calzada also volunteered that the Center for America Progress (CAP) has roundly criticized his work. This is the Obama-allied think tank funded to a large extent by George Soros. The opposition from the CAP is no surprise. Soros has proclaimed that he will invest at least a billion dollars in "green energy." Soros has also been a major supporter of Barack Obama, whose policies look to benefit his political patron. Soros himself spilled the beans when he said in a New Yorker profile that there are "symbiotic moments between political and business interests". We are living in such a moment now.

Obama never seems to learn while in office. He will again double down on the failed policies that have already caused a great deal of damage and will be even more harmful in years to come as we follow the Spanish model.

Calzada ended our conversation with a poignant question: why are we trying to harm ourselves?

A better question for Americans might be: why is Obama trying to harm us and how do we stop him?

Read more: Articles: Obama Green Jobs Con Job and the Ill Wind That Blows from Spain

 

[midcan5]

These thread topics and OPs are so stupid you wonder if the American wingnut (AW) posting it is really a person. Spain seemed fine last time we were there, that there economy is in trouble now is the result of greed and stupidity from all parties. If the AW were honest they'd have to rule out conservatism too, for didn't Bush Jr require once again massive bailouts to save the nation? And Bush was on your side. Sounds a lot like Spain and Greece I think. But clearly since wingnuttery is primarily whining from those who have, it is as useless as socialism often is. Amazing what these bubble do to the world, the great depression was the big one before the great recession and humankind seems to have learned nothing. History repeats itself again.

Spain Economy Watch: The Spanish Crisis In A Nutshell

"The Spanish Crisis In A Nutshell"

"This will be a relatively short post, since I think the facts here speak for themselves. Basically the roots of the Spanish "problem" are undoubtedly many and complex, but there is one underlying ingredient in the present dynamic which more or less governs everything else: the dependence on external financing due to the ongoing current account deficit, and the difficulties the banks have had raising this external financing since the outbreak of the "financial turmoil" (aka as the US sub prime crisis) in August 2007. Following the difficulties which arose in the global wholesale money markets in the wake of the "August troubles" two countries - Spain and Kazakhstan - found themselves in a virtually unique (and unenviable) situation: the doors of the global money markets were slammed tight shut in their faces. Since September 2007 both of these countries have, each in its own particular way, struggled to handle the aftermath of what effectively amounted to "financial armageddon".

 

[Bfgrn]

If someone from the left posted something from Moveon.org, they would be lambasted for using an extremely bias source.

BUT, you right wing turds post Rush Limbaugh crap and take it as gospel...


"Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes it's incendiary, yes it's ugly."
Former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele

 

[ScreamingEagle]

These thread topics and OPs are so stupid you wonder if the American wingnut (AW) posting it is really a person. Spain seemed fine last time we were there, that there economy is in trouble now is the result of greed and stupidity from all parties. If the AW were honest they'd have to rule out conservatism too, for didn't Bush Jr require once again massive bailouts to save the nation? And Bush was on your side. Sounds a lot like Spain and Greece I think. But clearly since wingnuttery is primarily whining from those who have, it is as useless as socialism often is. Amazing what these bubble do to the world, the great depression was the big one before the great recession and humankind seems to have learning's nothing. History repeats itself again.

Spain Economy Watch: The Spanish Crisis In A Nutshell

"The Spanish Crisis In A Nutshell"

"This will be a relatively short post, since I think the facts here speak for themselves. Basically the roots of the Spanish "problem" are undoubtedly many and complex, but there is one underlying ingredient in the present dynamic which more or less governs everything else: the dependence on external financing due to the ongoing current account deficit, and the difficulties the banks have had raising this external financing since the outbreak of the "financial turmoil" (aka as the US sub prime crisis) in August 2007. Following the difficulties which arose in the global wholesale money markets in the wake of the "August troubles" two countries - Spain and Kazakhstan - found themselves in a virtually unique (and unenviable) situation: the doors of the global money markets were slammed tight shut in their faces. Since September 2007 both of these countries have, each in its own particular way, struggled to handle the aftermath of what effectively amounted to "financial armageddon".

so typical.....blame Booooosh......but Bush was a liberal Republican......

so Spain can't get any more loans.....gosh i wonder why.....maybe because their Green Scheme wasn't making any money to pay for those schemes.....?

as an Obama socialist supporter i hope you have a smile on your face when he doubles YOUR electric bill.....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

If someone from the left posted something from Moveon.org, they would be lambasted for using an extremely bias source.

BUT, you right wing turds post Rush Limbaugh crap and take it as gospel...


"Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes it's incendiary, yes it's ugly."
Former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele

whine....whine.....

you know.....i'd like to see Soros and Rush have a debate.....