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Jesus was human. Human mother. You are missing what many Jews miss, and that is what the Prophet Isaiah wrote about, the suffering servant and the Lamb of God is the first incarnation of the Messiah, then the second coming as the King of Glory.
Nope. Israel isn't a "man". Isaiah is clealy speaking of a man being beaten. Read chapter 53.Jesus was human. Human mother. You are missing what many Jews miss, and that is what the Prophet Isaiah wrote about, the suffering servant and the Lamb of God is the first incarnation of the Messiah, then the second coming as the King of Glory.
The suffering servant Isaiah wrote of was the nation of Israel. (Israel was God's suffering servant.) This is what many Christians miss. Again, one faith need not cancel the other.
Nope. Israel isn't a "man". Isaiah is clealy speaking of a man being beaten. Read chapter 53.
Indeed, it is. This kingdom casts its shadow around the world. This new covenant has dispelled the paganism that plagued the old.Must have been spectacular!He ushered in the kingdom of God.I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiahExcellent post. However I think we both know I mean the "king messiah"
Keep in mind, kingship here on earth was something Jesus rejected before he started his ministry. Also, another king messiah wasn't prophesied until after David. Moses did not prophecy or speak of David or a king after David. But Jesus said it was he Moses referenced. Jesus was never meant to preside over an earthly kingdom. Jews believe such a king will come from their line. No reason why he shouldn't, but it has nothing to do with Jesus or his mission.
Look at it this way: America needed both George Washington and Abraham Lincoln--not one or the other. The Gentiles needed Jesus. Doesn't mean a strong Jewish leader isn't also in the world's future.
Why do they believe that
So have I. Isaiah 53 is speaking of the Messiah, Jesus. The Apostles said so and the Church says so. Paul said so, a great Jewish scholar that saw Jesus and wrote 2/3 of the NT.Nope. Israel isn't a "man". Isaiah is clealy speaking of a man being beaten. Read chapter 53.
I did. Also read lots of commentary.
Plainly admitted? The only people that said that were gentiles. Jesus beat around the bush..Jesus plainly admitted He was King of the Jews. You really need to read the New Testament.IIRC, didn't Jesus admit he was no king?
Yes, you missed a verse. Mark 15:2.Plainly admitted? The only people that said that were gentiles. Jesus beat around the bush..Jesus plainly admitted He was King of the Jews. You really need to read the New Testament.IIRC, didn't Jesus admit he was no king?
Maybe I missed a verse?
Luke 23:1-5Plainly admitted? The only people that said that were gentiles. Jesus beat around the bush..Jesus plainly admitted He was King of the Jews. You really need to read the New Testament.IIRC, didn't Jesus admit he was no king?
Maybe I missed a verse?
Kingdom of God getting blown up by suicide bombers? LolIndeed, it is. This kingdom casts its shadow around the world. This new covenant has dispelled the paganism that plagued the old.Must have been spectacular!He ushered in the kingdom of God.I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiahExcellent post. However I think we both know I mean the "king messiah"
Keep in mind, kingship here on earth was something Jesus rejected before he started his ministry. Also, another king messiah wasn't prophesied until after David. Moses did not prophecy or speak of David or a king after David. But Jesus said it was he Moses referenced. Jesus was never meant to preside over an earthly kingdom. Jews believe such a king will come from their line. No reason why he shouldn't, but it has nothing to do with Jesus or his mission.
Look at it this way: America needed both George Washington and Abraham Lincoln--not one or the other. The Gentiles needed Jesus. Doesn't mean a strong Jewish leader isn't also in the world's future.
Why do they believe that
Omg... go read the verse. He did NOT say that...smhYes, you missed a verse. Mark 15:2.Plainly admitted? The only people that said that were gentiles. Jesus beat around the bush..Jesus plainly admitted He was King of the Jews. You really need to read the New Testament.IIRC, didn't Jesus admit he was no king?
Maybe I missed a verse?
So have I. Isaiah 53 is speaking of the Messiah, Jesus. The Apostles said so and the Church says so. Paul said so, a great Jewish scholar that saw Jesus and wrote 2/3 of the NT.
Just so we are on the same page. Jews for Jesus is a Christian organization.
Will you be a little more clear, please? Are suicide bombers blowing up a kingdom, or did they already blow one up?Kingdom of God getting blown up by suicide bombers? LolIndeed, it is. This kingdom casts its shadow around the world. This new covenant has dispelled the paganism that plagued the old.Must have been spectacular!He ushered in the kingdom of God.I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiahKeep in mind, kingship here on earth was something Jesus rejected before he started his ministry. Also, another king messiah wasn't prophesied until after David. Moses did not prophecy or speak of David or a king after David. But Jesus said it was he Moses referenced. Jesus was never meant to preside over an earthly kingdom. Jews believe such a king will come from their line. No reason why he shouldn't, but it has nothing to do with Jesus or his mission.
Look at it this way: America needed both George Washington and Abraham Lincoln--not one or the other. The Gentiles needed Jesus. Doesn't mean a strong Jewish leader isn't also in the world's future.
Why do they believe that
The Jewish prophecies have not been fulfilled.
Luke 23:1-5.Omg... go read the verse. He did NOT say that...smhYes, you missed a verse. Mark 15:2.Plainly admitted? The only people that said that were gentiles. Jesus beat around the bush..Jesus plainly admitted He was King of the Jews. You really need to read the New Testament.IIRC, didn't Jesus admit he was no king?
Maybe I missed a verse?
You are so intellectually dishonest..
When Paul quotes Isaiah 53 in the New Testament when referring to Jesus.So have I. Isaiah 53 is speaking of the Messiah, Jesus. The Apostles said so and the Church says so. Paul said so, a great Jewish scholar that saw Jesus and wrote 2/3 of the NT.
I see you are reading Christian commentary. Where do you read that Paul says Jesus was Isaiah's suffering servant?
Yes, Jews that believe Jesus is the Messiah. The Apostles were Jews. The first Christians were Jews. The church was birthed in Israel. Jesus is a Jew.Just so we are on the same page. Jews for Jesus is a Christian organization.
Who told you that?Paul said so, a great Jewish scholar
You mean Jews don't understand their own religious scripts? An interesting theory..You are missing what many Jews miss, and that is what the Prophet Isaiah wrote about,
As I told you a little bit earlier, he isn't human. The messianic stage didn't happen. There are a few more
