How is Jesus the Messiah?

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IIRC, didn't Jesus admit he was no king?

He said, you say I am a king.

And you miss perhaps the most important piece of information in the NT.

".. the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth..."

indeed ding. Thats not admitting to anything. Do you understand our language?

Correct. He did not confirm or deny.

He told him, "you say I am a king."

He didn't say, yes, I am the king or no, I'm not the king.

What is your point?

 

[Indeependent]

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

I don't know, but my theory is that these Christians do not have a very good understanding (or any understanding) of the Jewish faith.

What about the many Jews that believed in jesus in the book of Acts. His Disciples and the Apostles? What about Paul? Paul was one of he greatest Jewish scholars of the Scriptures. Could it be that it isn't about knowledge of Judaism, but about a personal relationship. Paul rounded up Christians and watched them get stoned to death. Then Jesus appeared to Paul, according to his own testimony. What was it that Paul didn't understand about the Jewish faith?

What about the fact that 90% of Jews today have zero knowledge of their religion?

Fact?

Link?

I’m a Jew and know way more Jews than you.
90% of Jews went to public school and have zero knowledge.

 

[TNHarley]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

 

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Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What are the requirements?

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

Why would you believe that?

Have you ever stopped to consider it is your understanding that is flawed?

It’s called actually reading the Prophets and not just parroting what the the Church says.

Reading the prophets doesn't mean the understanding of what the prophets said is correct.

Prophecies are not straightforward.

If you do not believe the prophecies have been fulfilled, then either your understanding of the prophecy is wrong or the prophecy itself is wrong.

How many years has it been?

When was the Book closed?

 

[Indeependent]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

Here’s how it goes...
I’m ain’t learning Hebrew.
I’m not studying every verse starting from Genesis 1:1.
I’m just gonna read the Jesus is Lord Cliff Notes.
I’m goin’ on the Intawebbz and spred the nooz.

 

[Indeependent]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What are the requirements?

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

Why would you believe that?

Have you ever stopped to consider it is your understanding that is flawed?

It’s called actually reading the Prophets and not just parroting what the the Church says.

Reading the prophets doesn't mean the understanding of what the prophets said is correct.

Prophecies are not straightforward.

If you do not believe the prophecies have been fulfilled, then either your understanding of the prophecies is wrong or the prophecy itself is wrong.

How many years has it been?

When was the Book closed?

The issue is mangling the words.

 

[ding]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

 

[ding]

What are the requirements?

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

Why would you believe that?

Have you ever stopped to consider it is your understanding that is flawed?

It’s called actually reading the Prophets and not just parroting what the the Church says.

Reading the prophets doesn't mean the understanding of what the prophets said is correct.

Prophecies are not straightforward.

If you do not believe the prophecies have been fulfilled, then either your understanding of the prophecies is wrong or the prophecy itself is wrong.

How many years has it been?

When was the Book closed?

The issue is mangling the words.

How so?

 

[Indeependent]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

TN is being remarkably objective.

 

[ding]

Gotta run to work. I'll check back later.

 

[Indeependent]

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

Why would you believe that?

Have you ever stopped to consider it is your understanding that is flawed?

It’s called actually reading the Prophets and not just parroting what the the Church says.

Reading the prophets doesn't mean the understanding of what the prophets said is correct.

Prophecies are not straightforward.

If you do not believe the prophecies have been fulfilled, then either your understanding of the prophecies is wrong or the prophecy itself is wrong.

How many years has it been?

When was the Book closed?

The issue is mangling the words.

How so?

You want me to teach you Hebrew in one post or two?

 

[ding]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

TN is being remarkably objective.

I would say he is being remarkably respectful.

 

[Indeependent]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

TN is being remarkably objective.

I would say he is being remarkably respectful.

Objective...TN is reading the actual words, not seeing what he wants to see.

 

[TNHarley]

Amazing how much spin there is..
Even if being a demi god counts as being a human(LOL) the prophecy DIDNT get fulfilled.
So, how is he the messiah?

I wouldn't have expected you to see it any other way, TN.

It's not like you can be objective about this.

You are sitting there saying Jews have it wrong. That is WHERE you guys came up with Jesus being the messiah you big fucking hack!

 

[BS Filter]

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

I don't know, but my theory is that these Christians do not have a very good understanding (or any understanding) of the Jewish faith.

What about the many Jews that believed in jesus in the book of Acts. His Disciples and the Apostles? What about Paul? Paul was one of he greatest Jewish scholars of the Scriptures. Could it be that it isn't about knowledge of Judaism, but about a personal relationship. Paul rounded up Christians and watched them get stoned to death. Then Jesus appeared to Paul, according to his own testimony. What was it that Paul didn't understand about the Jewish faith?

What about the fact that 90% of Jews today have zero knowledge of their religion?

Yes, and I would say the same thing about Christians.

 

[TNHarley]

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

I don't know, but my theory is that these Christians do not have a very good understanding (or any understanding) of the Jewish faith.

What about the many Jews that believed in jesus in the book of Acts. His Disciples and the Apostles? What about Paul? Paul was one of he greatest Jewish scholars of the Scriptures. Could it be that it isn't about knowledge of Judaism, but about a personal relationship. Paul rounded up Christians and watched them get stoned to death. Then Jesus appeared to Paul, according to his own testimony. What was it that Paul didn't understand about the Jewish faith?

What about the fact that 90% of Jews today have zero knowledge of their religion?

Yes, and I would say the same thing about Christians.

Wont argue there. For instance, you dont even know what an abrahamic religion is lol

 

[BS Filter]

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

I don't know, but my theory is that these Christians do not have a very good understanding (or any understanding) of the Jewish faith.

What about the many Jews that believed in jesus in the book of Acts. His Disciples and the Apostles? What about Paul? Paul was one of he greatest Jewish scholars of the Scriptures. Could it be that it isn't about knowledge of Judaism, but about a personal relationship. Paul rounded up Christians and watched them get stoned to death. Then Jesus appeared to Paul, according to his own testimony. What was it that Paul didn't understand about the Jewish faith?

What about the fact that 90% of Jews today have zero knowledge of their religion?

Yes, and I would say the same thing about Christians.

Wont argue there. For instance, you dont even know what an abrahamic religion is lol

That's your opinion. You have yet to prove that Islam is an Abrahamic religion.

 

[BS Filter]

Paul said so, a great Jewish scholar

Who told you that?

Scripture in the NT.

 

[TNHarley]

I don't know, but my theory is that these Christians do not have a very good understanding (or any understanding) of the Jewish faith.

What about the many Jews that believed in jesus in the book of Acts. His Disciples and the Apostles? What about Paul? Paul was one of he greatest Jewish scholars of the Scriptures. Could it be that it isn't about knowledge of Judaism, but about a personal relationship. Paul rounded up Christians and watched them get stoned to death. Then Jesus appeared to Paul, according to his own testimony. What was it that Paul didn't understand about the Jewish faith?

What about the fact that 90% of Jews today have zero knowledge of their religion?

Yes, and I would say the same thing about Christians.

Wont argue there. For instance, you dont even know what an abrahamic religion is lol

That's your opinion. You have yet to prove that Islam is an Abrahamic religion.

omg lol
tell the class what makes an abrahamic religion an abrahamic religion?

 

[BS Filter]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What are the requirements?

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

Why would you believe that?

Have you ever stopped to consider it is your understanding that is flawed?

ummm no

Scripture is useful for proving, correction, and instruction. Study your NT.