How is Jesus the Messiah?

[Bonzi]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What are the requirements?

 

[TNHarley]

As I told you a little bit earlier, he isn't human. The messianic stage didn't happen. There are a few more

Jesus is fully human according to Christian belief. He can fulfil any office. It’s is pretty plainly stated in the Nicene and ChalcedonIan Creeds.
The Trinity isn’t the only mystery.

Now this is the true faith:
That we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son, is both God and human, equally.
Athanasian Creed

So a demi god?

 

[TNHarley]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What are the requirements?

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

 

[Bonzi]

the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.

• Jesus regarded by Christians as the Messiah of the Hebrew prophecies and the savior of humankind.

Just because the Jews rejected him doesn't mean he's NOT the savior.
The Jews had a "vision" of the messiah that was incorrect. Therefore, they rejected him.
Furthermore, Isaiah prophesied the messiah as being exactly what Jesus was. Still, Jews ignore that. Even thought Isaiah is part of the Old Testament.

 

[ding]

Because he died knowing full well that he'd be a king in paradise right afterwards. The ultimate sacrifice.

lol
I just dont get it. The messiah was supposed to be a man.. Where was the messianic age that was supposed to happen?

So you are unfamiliar with the belief that He is fully man and fully God?

 

[Bonzi]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What are the requirements?

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

Well, Joseph is part of King David's bloodline. When you are dealing with a God capable of anything, you can't really explain it. Sorry. BUT, all this is from the Bible, so, first, you have to actually BELIEVE ALL that is in the Bible. Part of that is not knowing God's ways. It's not a book of logic. Either you accept it entirely, or you throw it all away......

The entire world is under one religion. However, many are just practicing false religions. There is (according to the Bible and Christians) only one TRUE religion. What people CHOOSE to follow is entirely different.

 

[ding]

Excellent post. However I think we both know I mean the "king messiah"

Keep in mind, kingship here on earth was something Jesus rejected before he started his ministry. Also, another king messiah wasn't prophesied until after David. Moses did not prophecy or speak of David or a king after David. But Jesus said it was he Moses referenced. Jesus was never meant to preside over an earthly kingdom. Jews believe such a king will come from their line. No reason why he shouldn't, but it has nothing to do with Jesus or his mission.

Look at it this way: America needed both George Washington and Abraham Lincoln--not one or the other. The Gentiles needed Jesus. Doesn't mean a strong Jewish leader isn't also in the world's future.

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What requirements didn't he meet?

I told you this 2 hours ago

No, you didn't. You claim Jesus didn't meet the requirements as Messiah. Simple question. What requirements didn't He meet?

As I told you a little bit earlier, he isn't human. The messianic stage didn't happen. There are a few more

He is. Fully human and fully God.

What else?

 

[ding]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What are the requirements?

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

Why would you believe that?

Have you ever stopped to consider it is your understanding that is flawed?

 

[Indeependent]

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

I don't know, but my theory is that these Christians do not have a very good understanding (or any understanding) of the Jewish faith.

What about the many Jews that believed in jesus in the book of Acts. His Disciples and the Apostles? What about Paul? Paul was one of he greatest Jewish scholars of the Scriptures. Could it be that it isn't about knowledge of Judaism, but about a personal relationship. Paul rounded up Christians and watched them get stoned to death. Then Jesus appeared to Paul, according to his own testimony. What was it that Paul didn't understand about the Jewish faith?

What about the fact that 90% of Jews today have zero knowledge of their religion?

 

[ding]

IIRC, didn't Jesus admit he was no king?

He said, you say I am a king.

And you miss perhaps the most important piece of information in the NT.

".. the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth..."

 

[Indeependent]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What are the requirements?

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

Why would you believe that?

Have you ever stopped to consider it is your understanding that is flawed?

It’s called actually reading the Prophets and not just parroting what the the Church says.

 

[007]

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

I don't know, but my theory is that these Christians do not have a very good understanding (or any understanding) of the Jewish faith.

What about the many Jews that believed in jesus in the book of Acts. His Disciples and the Apostles? What about Paul? Paul was one of he greatest Jewish scholars of the Scriptures. Could it be that it isn't about knowledge of Judaism, but about a personal relationship. Paul rounded up Christians and watched them get stoned to death. Then Jesus appeared to Paul, according to his own testimony. What was it that Paul didn't understand about the Jewish faith?

What about the fact that 90% of Jews today have zero knowledge of their religion?

Fact?

Link?

 

[TNHarley]

the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.

• Jesus regarded by Christians as the Messiah of the Hebrew prophecies and the savior of humankind.

Just because the Jews rejected him doesn't mean he's NOT the savior.
The Jews had a "vision" of the messiah that was incorrect. Therefore, they rejected him.
Furthermore, Isaiah prophesied the messiah as being exactly what Jesus was. Still, Jews ignore that. Even thought Isaiah is part of the Old Testament.

The book of Isaiah is WHERE they get the details for their messiah... He didnt fulfill them.

 

[ding]

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

I don't know, but my theory is that these Christians do not have a very good understanding (or any understanding) of the Jewish faith.

What about the many Jews that believed in jesus in the book of Acts. His Disciples and the Apostles? What about Paul? Paul was one of he greatest Jewish scholars of the Scriptures. Could it be that it isn't about knowledge of Judaism, but about a personal relationship. Paul rounded up Christians and watched them get stoned to death. Then Jesus appeared to Paul, according to his own testimony. What was it that Paul didn't understand about the Jewish faith?

What about the fact that 90% of Jews today have zero knowledge of their religion?

Zero?

C'mon.

Little? Maybe.

 

[ding]

the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.

• Jesus regarded by Christians as the Messiah of the Hebrew prophecies and the savior of humankind.

Just because the Jews rejected him doesn't mean he's NOT the savior.
The Jews had a "vision" of the messiah that was incorrect. Therefore, they rejected him.
Furthermore, Isaiah prophesied the messiah as being exactly what Jesus was. Still, Jews ignore that. Even thought Isaiah is part of the Old Testament.

The book of Isaiah is WHERE they get the details for their messiah... He didnt fulfill them.

Is there like some militant atheist website that you are getting this crap from, TN?

 

[Indeependent]

Who's the Subject of Isaiah 53? You Decide! - Jews for Jesus

Talk about mangling the shit out of Hebrew!

 

[ding]

Keep in mind, kingship here on earth was something Jesus rejected before he started his ministry. Also, another king messiah wasn't prophesied until after David. Moses did not prophecy or speak of David or a king after David. But Jesus said it was he Moses referenced. Jesus was never meant to preside over an earthly kingdom. Jews believe such a king will come from their line. No reason why he shouldn't, but it has nothing to do with Jesus or his mission.

Look at it this way: America needed both George Washington and Abraham Lincoln--not one or the other. The Gentiles needed Jesus. Doesn't mean a strong Jewish leader isn't also in the world's future.

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

What requirements didn't he meet?

I told you this 2 hours ago

No, you didn't. You claim Jesus didn't meet the requirements as Messiah. Simple question. What requirements didn't He meet?

As I told you a little bit earlier, he isn't human. The messianic stage didn't happen. There are a few more

Jesus was human. Human mother. You are missing what many Jews miss, and that is what the Prophet Isaiah wrote about, the suffering servant and the Lamb of God is the first incarnation of the Messiah, then the second coming as the King of Glory.

What bout his father? What about the part in the bible that says God SENT his son.. How could he send his son if he was an unborn human?
Jesus also had God's attributes, did he not?

<ahem> Fully God and fully human.

 

[TNHarley]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

What are the requirements?

A human born of King Davids bloodline.
He would bring about the messianic age
he would bring about the entire world under one religion
etc

Why would you believe that?

Have you ever stopped to consider it is your understanding that is flawed?

ummm no

 

[Indeependent]

I am talking about how a lot of Christians view Jesus as the Jewish messiah
Why do they believe that

I don't know, but my theory is that these Christians do not have a very good understanding (or any understanding) of the Jewish faith.

What about the many Jews that believed in jesus in the book of Acts. His Disciples and the Apostles? What about Paul? Paul was one of he greatest Jewish scholars of the Scriptures. Could it be that it isn't about knowledge of Judaism, but about a personal relationship. Paul rounded up Christians and watched them get stoned to death. Then Jesus appeared to Paul, according to his own testimony. What was it that Paul didn't understand about the Jewish faith?

What about the fact that 90% of Jews today have zero knowledge of their religion?

Zero?

C'mon.

Little? Maybe.

Zero.
They define Judaism as not believing in Jesus.

 

[TNHarley]

IIRC, didn't Jesus admit he was no king?

He said, you say I am a king.

And you miss perhaps the most important piece of information in the NT.

".. the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth..."

indeed ding. Thats not admitting to anything. Do you understand our language?