Watching some local Catholic channels' kids program earlier today, it had some cartoony angels reciting the Rosary and some other things I wasn't familar with. I got to thinking, how is directing prayer to Mary not violating the 1st Commandment? Makes sense if you're a cult, but not the largest Christian denomination in the world, didn't anyone notice?
They also worship a Pope. This is one of the reasons us Greek Orthodox Christians split from the Catholic Church.
Nobody "worshps" the fucking Pope.
Sure they do. He's even infallible remember?
Hey remember me? We tangled in the Atheism threads. You'd do all of us Atheists a favor if you first learned about the religions that you're criticizing. You make Atheists look like giant gaping assholes when you start criticizing something you don't know about.
He's not infallible, he's infallible on Church doctrine. This means that when the Pope declares that homosexuality is a sin, he's speaking with the authority of god and therefore that is the position that all Catholics must assume in order to be in communion with the Catholic faith. If someone asks the Pope whether it will be sunny tomorrow the Pope has no more clue than you or me, for predicting the weather has nothing to do with Catholic doctrine.
Sorry but you are wrong. Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error.
So you are now saying he's only infallible when it comes to church doctine? Probably because you guys don't like some of the stuff the new pope is saying.
You don't help your case by linking to individual definitions for "dogma," "the Pope" and the "Catholic Church" and then making up your own definition for Papal Infallibility. Why not go to the Wikipedia definition of Papal Infallibility instead of dancing around it. Here it is:
Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error[1] "When, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."
Lets just focus on this part "the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error"
So when the Pope covered up child molesters and shipped those priests off to other parishes where they could molest more children, was that concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole church?
Was he right about Capitalism? I seem to agree with him on that one. But infallible??? No one is.
As Pogo already explained, Capitalism has nothing to do with this debate.
Child molestation was not, and is not, Church doctrine. There is a difference between an administrative decision and a doctrinal decision.
For this child molestation issue to be doctrinal, the Pope would have had to declare child molestation to be a core belief of all Catholics, a practice encouraged by God, and a practice one must engage in to be considered a good Catholic, to be one of the flock.
Doesn't it strike you as a bit absurd that you barged into this debate, took a position and then argued from ignorance and now both Pogo and I have to explain these simple things to you? Can you see how that makes Atheists look bad? Do you also barge into gardening debates and tell gardeners that the best way to grow vegetables is to drench their garden plot in motor oil? Knowing the topic you're debating is a definite plus.
So the whole Pope is infallible thing is malarky basically?
Because then all they are saying then is that this is infallible:
Art. 1 We believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth.
Art. 2 We believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord.
Art. 3 We believe Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary.
Art. 4 We believe Jesus Christ suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.(Give you this one)
Art. 5 We believe Jesus Christ descended to the dead and on the third day, rose again.(REALLY?)
Art. 6 We believe Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven and sits at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty.
Art. 7 We believe Jesus Christ shall come to judge the living and the dead.
Art. 8 We believe in the Holy Spirit.(Never really understood this one)
Art. 9 We believe in the Holy Catholic Church and the Communion of Saints.(Really?)
Art. 10 We believe in the forgiveness of sins.
Art. 11 We believe in the resurrection of the body.
Art. 12 We believe in life everlasting.
And I see why they would have to say the Church/Pope is infallible because this is all too much to believe. But I'm glad to see one of their core beliefs isn't hell to all non Catholics. Or is it?
