House Votes to Repeal “Job-Killing” Health Care Law 236-181 and Now This...

[Real American]

I don't have much time, but off the top of my head I can say insurance premiums are going up because of it, which would mean the cost of employees go up, which would mean companies will hire less of them.

Why don't you ask Obama why he's handing out waivers to companies so they don't have to abide by the new "wonderful", "job creating", "you can keep your insurance" health care bill?

health care premiums have been rose approx 87% from 2000 to 2006 according Kaiser.
2008 saw a 9.9% increase, 2009 saw a 9.2% increase and 2010 a 9.0% increase. are skyrocketing health care costs a new thing?

2011 is expected to see another 9% increase, just about the same as 2010. the difference is that in 2011 more employers are requiring the employee to pick up more of the costs. thus the out of pocket costs that employees see is rising by about 12%. (thats according to AARP) so who is to blame here for this actual increase? the insurance companies who have been increasing their rates for a decade, the employers who are making thier employees share more of the burden, or the health care law that hasnt even gone into full effect yet?

and the new law actually prohibits insurance companies from raising the rates on targeted individuals, and makes them raise rates on everyone in the plan instead.

maybe you should do a little research on what a waiver for health care is:

To ensure that we protect the coverage that these workers have today until better options are available for them in 2014, the law allows HHS, in extreme cases, to issue temporary waivers from the phase out of annual limits. There are some important facts to remember about these temporary waivers:
- The waivers only apply to one provision of the law – the provisions phasing out annual limits. Insurance companies and employers that receive waivers must comply with all other parts of the Affordable Care Act.
- The waivers last one year. Insurance companies must reapply for the waivers each year between now and 2014 when annual limits on coverage will be completely prohibited and individuals will have more affordable and better private insurance choices in the competitive Exchange markets.
- All employers and insurers that offer mini-med plans may apply for a waiver if they demonstrate that there will be large increases in premiums or a significant decrease in access to coverage without a waiver. You can read a list of employers and insurers that have received waivers here.

Why will the failure in 2014 be any different than the failure in 2010?

thanks for once again avoiding the question.

 

[elvis]

American Spectator merely reported what the Congressional Budget Committee gave them.

why has no other media outlet covered this then...

because they care more about whether Britney spears wears underwear. or about whether Palin's daughter wins dancing with the stars...

 

[Real American]

You think unlimited health insurance will be cheap or free?

i think a non profit single payor system would more cost effective and efficient than what is currently on the book.

 

[Revere]

health care premiums have been rose approx 87% from 2000 to 2006 according Kaiser.
2008 saw a 9.9% increase, 2009 saw a 9.2% increase and 2010 a 9.0% increase. are skyrocketing health care costs a new thing?

2011 is expected to see another 9% increase, just about the same as 2010. the difference is that in 2011 more employers are requiring the employee to pick up more of the costs. thus the out of pocket costs that employees see is rising by about 12%. (thats according to AARP) so who is to blame here for this actual increase? the insurance companies who have been increasing their rates for a decade, the employers who are making thier employees share more of the burden, or the health care law that hasnt even gone into full effect yet?

and the new law actually prohibits insurance companies from raising the rates on targeted individuals, and makes them raise rates on everyone in the plan instead.

maybe you should do a little research on what a waiver for health care is:

To ensure that we protect the coverage that these workers have today until better options are available for them in 2014, the law allows HHS, in extreme cases, to issue temporary waivers from the phase out of annual limits. There are some important facts to remember about these temporary waivers:
- The waivers only apply to one provision of the law – the provisions phasing out annual limits. Insurance companies and employers that receive waivers must comply with all other parts of the Affordable Care Act.
- The waivers last one year. Insurance companies must reapply for the waivers each year between now and 2014 when annual limits on coverage will be completely prohibited and individuals will have more affordable and better private insurance choices in the competitive Exchange markets.
- All employers and insurers that offer mini-med plans may apply for a waiver if they demonstrate that there will be large increases in premiums or a significant decrease in access to coverage without a waiver. You can read a list of employers and insurers that have received waivers here.

Why will the failure in 2014 be any different than the failure in 2010?

thanks for once again avoiding the question.

Why will all the new government programs work when all the existing ones fail?

 

[Real American]

Why will the failure in 2014 be any different than the failure in 2010?

thanks for once again avoiding the question.

Why will all the new government programs work when all the existing ones fail?

still avoiding the question....


please answer the following:

2011 is expected to see another 9% increase, just about the same as 2010. the difference is that in 2011 more employers are requiring the employee to pick up more of the costs. thus the out of pocket costs that employees see is rising by about 12%. (thats according to AARP) so who is to blame here for this actual increase? the insurance companies who have been increasing their rates for a decade, the employers who are making thier employees share more of the burden, or the health care law that hasnt even gone into full effect yet?

i will not continue on this argument until you can answer this questions, ill even make it multiple choice:

a - blame insurance companies
b - blame employers
c - blame the health care.

now after answering the question, can you please validate that answer with a rationale.

 

[Revere]

thanks for once again avoiding the question.

Why will all the new government programs work when all the existing ones fail?

still avoiding the question....


please answer the following:

2011 is expected to see another 9% increase, just about the same as 2010. the difference is that in 2011 more employers are requiring the employee to pick up more of the costs. thus the out of pocket costs that employees see is rising by about 12%. (thats according to AARP) so who is to blame here for this actual increase? the insurance companies who have been increasing their rates for a decade, the employers who are making thier employees share more of the burden, or the health care law that hasnt even gone into full effect yet?

i will not continue on this argument until you can answer this questions, ill even make it multiple choice:

a - blame insurance companies
b - blame employers
c - blame the health care.

now after answering the question, can you please validate that answer with a rationale.

You want government to create a false utopia.

Employers won't merely suck up the added costs of Obamcare, moron.

 

[Greenbeard]

thanks for once again avoiding the question.

Why will all the new government programs work when all the existing ones fail?

still avoiding the question....


please answer the following:

2011 is expected to see another 9% increase, just about the same as 2010. the difference is that in 2011 more employers are requiring the employee to pick up more of the costs. thus the out of pocket costs that employees see is rising by about 12%. (thats according to AARP) so who is to blame here for this actual increase? the insurance companies who have been increasing their rates for a decade, the employers who are making thier employees share more of the burden, or the health care law that hasnt even gone into full effect yet?

i will not continue on this argument until you can answer this questions, ill even make it multiple choice:

a - blame insurance companies
b - blame employers
c - blame the health care.

now after answering the question, can you please validate that answer with a rationale.

What you'll come to realize very soon is that Revere would fail a Turing test. It's a random right-wing one-liner generator. There is no rationale behind the things it says.

 

[Sallow]

You think unlimited health insurance will be cheap or free?

Not near as expensive as the boatloads of cash that's been shoveled to private companies to build expensive weapons systems that don't work..

But heck.

 

[Real American]

Why will all the new government programs work when all the existing ones fail?

still avoiding the question....


please answer the following:

2011 is expected to see another 9% increase, just about the same as 2010. the difference is that in 2011 more employers are requiring the employee to pick up more of the costs. thus the out of pocket costs that employees see is rising by about 12%. (thats according to AARP) so who is to blame here for this actual increase? the insurance companies who have been increasing their rates for a decade, the employers who are making thier employees share more of the burden, or the health care law that hasnt even gone into full effect yet?

i will not continue on this argument until you can answer this questions, ill even make it multiple choice:

a - blame insurance companies
b - blame employers
c - blame the health care.

now after answering the question, can you please validate that answer with a rationale.

You want government to create a false utopia.

Employers won't merely suck up the added costs of Obamcare, moron.

and the name calling begins, thank you so much. so in all the years before obamacare was passed, what was the rationale for all the premium increases? im sure the generous insurance companies just had to raise rates out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

[Sallow]

Why will all the new government programs work when all the existing ones fail?

still avoiding the question....


please answer the following:

2011 is expected to see another 9% increase, just about the same as 2010. the difference is that in 2011 more employers are requiring the employee to pick up more of the costs. thus the out of pocket costs that employees see is rising by about 12%. (thats according to AARP) so who is to blame here for this actual increase? the insurance companies who have been increasing their rates for a decade, the employers who are making thier employees share more of the burden, or the health care law that hasnt even gone into full effect yet?

i will not continue on this argument until you can answer this questions, ill even make it multiple choice:

a - blame insurance companies
b - blame employers
c - blame the health care.

now after answering the question, can you please validate that answer with a rationale.

What you'll come to realize very soon is that Revere would fail a Turing test. It's a random right-wing one-liner generator. There is no rationale behind the things it says.

Which does has it's charms...

 

[Revere]

still avoiding the question....


please answer the following:

2011 is expected to see another 9% increase, just about the same as 2010. the difference is that in 2011 more employers are requiring the employee to pick up more of the costs. thus the out of pocket costs that employees see is rising by about 12%. (thats according to AARP) so who is to blame here for this actual increase? the insurance companies who have been increasing their rates for a decade, the employers who are making thier employees share more of the burden, or the health care law that hasnt even gone into full effect yet?

i will not continue on this argument until you can answer this questions, ill even make it multiple choice:

a - blame insurance companies
b - blame employers
c - blame the health care.

now after answering the question, can you please validate that answer with a rationale.

You want government to create a false utopia.

Employers won't merely suck up the added costs of Obamcare, moron.

and the name calling begins, thank you so much. so in all the years before obamacare was passed, what was the rationale for all the premium increases? im sure the generous insurance companies just had to raise rates out of the goodness of their hearts.

Anyone who thinks the biggest government entitlement ever will contain costs is a moron.

 

[elvis]

still avoiding the question....


please answer the following:

2011 is expected to see another 9% increase, just about the same as 2010. the difference is that in 2011 more employers are requiring the employee to pick up more of the costs. thus the out of pocket costs that employees see is rising by about 12%. (thats according to AARP) so who is to blame here for this actual increase? the insurance companies who have been increasing their rates for a decade, the employers who are making thier employees share more of the burden, or the health care law that hasnt even gone into full effect yet?

i will not continue on this argument until you can answer this questions, ill even make it multiple choice:

a - blame insurance companies
b - blame employers
c - blame the health care.

now after answering the question, can you please validate that answer with a rationale.

You want government to create a false utopia.

Employers won't merely suck up the added costs of Obamcare, moron.

and the name calling begins, thank you so much. so in all the years before obamacare was passed, what was the rationale for all the premium increases? im sure the generous insurance companies just had to raise rates out of the goodness of their hearts.

malpractice insurance from frivolous lawsuits, cutting edge technology, cutting edge drugs, more demand for care as the baby boomers get older and older.

 

[Real American]

You want government to create a false utopia.

Employers won't merely suck up the added costs of Obamcare, moron.

and the name calling begins, thank you so much. so in all the years before obamacare was passed, what was the rationale for all the premium increases? im sure the generous insurance companies just had to raise rates out of the goodness of their hearts.

Anyone who thinks the biggest government entitlement ever will contain costs is a moron.

actually the two biggest government entitlements are social security and medicare. so we should definitely repeal those too.

 

[Real American]

You want government to create a false utopia.

Employers won't merely suck up the added costs of Obamcare, moron.

and the name calling begins, thank you so much. so in all the years before obamacare was passed, what was the rationale for all the premium increases? im sure the generous insurance companies just had to raise rates out of the goodness of their hearts.

malpractice insurance from frivolous lawsuits, cutting edge technology, cutting edge drugs, more demand for care as the baby boomers get older and older.

how would you suggest we try to control these costs? as we have seen over the last decade, the free market has not been able to do so.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

House Votes to Repeal “Job-Killing” Health Care Law 236-181

This was just a test vote. The real thing will be next week.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

and the name calling begins, thank you so much. so in all the years before obamacare was passed, what was the rationale for all the premium increases? im sure the generous insurance companies just had to raise rates out of the goodness of their hearts.

malpractice insurance from frivolous lawsuits, cutting edge technology, cutting edge drugs, more demand for care as the baby boomers get older and older.

how would you suggest we try to control these costs? as we have seen over the last decade, the free market has not been able to do so.

What free market?

 

[Real American]

malpractice insurance from frivolous lawsuits, cutting edge technology, cutting edge drugs, more demand for care as the baby boomers get older and older.

how would you suggest we try to control these costs? as we have seen over the last decade, the free market has not been able to do so.

What free market?

the imaginary free market that exists in the health care field

 

[Sallow]

malpractice insurance from frivolous lawsuits, cutting edge technology, cutting edge drugs, more demand for care as the baby boomers get older and older.

how would you suggest we try to control these costs? as we have seen over the last decade, the free market has not been able to do so.

What free market?

That one.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/17/4/126.full.pdf

 

[Cuyo]

And now this...


The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : BREAKING: CBO Says Repealing ObamaCare Would Reduce Net Spending by $540 Billion

BREAKING: CBO Says Repealing ObamaCare Would Reduce Net Spending by $540 Billion

By Philip Klein on 1.7.11 @ 1:56PM

The Congressional Budget Office, in an email to Capitol Hill staffers obtained by the Spectator, has said that repealing the national health care law would reduce net spending by $540 billion in the ten year period from 2012 through 2021. That number represents the cost of the new provisions, minus Medicare cuts. Repealing the bill would also eliminate $770 billion in taxes. It's the tax hikes in the health care law (along with the Medicare cuts) which accounts for the $230 billion in deficit reduction.

Full email, from Edward "Sandy" Davis, CBO's Associate Director for Legislative Affairs, below.

...

Want to bet all the Liberals citing how great the CBO is will suddenly find fault with it?

Did you really read the E-mail in your link? And did you really conclude that the repeal would be good for the deficit? Really?

 

[Revere]

And now this...


The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : BREAKING: CBO Says Repealing ObamaCare Would Reduce Net Spending by $540 Billion

Want to bet all the Liberals citing how great the CBO is will suddenly find fault with it?

Did you really read the E-mail in your link? And did you really conclude that the repeal would be good for the deficit? Really?

Yes, the notion that the biggest government entitlement ever will contain costs is insane.