House GOPers War On Birth Control

[LilOlLady]

I'm comfortable with the Hyde Amendment as a measure for when taxpayers money should be used for abortion. If the Dems would stop trying to force Americans to pay for abortions, the GOP wouldn't have to waste time fighting it.

Exactly.

Public funds DO NOT pay for abortions at Planned Parenthood. They get lots of donations. Planned Parent hood is about more than abortions. It is a safe place for women to have abortions instead of using rusty coat hangers and in back alleys. Public funds went to killing 5,000 ameircan troops, wounding thousands permanently, killing thousand of innocent Iraqi men, women and children.


What is the Hyde Amendment?

Passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid. Congress has made some exceptions to the funding ban, which have varied over the years. At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness, or injury.

Most states have followed the federal government's lead in restricting public funding for abortion. Currently only seventeen states fund abortions for low-income women on the same or similar terms as other pregnancy-related and general health services. (See map.) Four of these states provide funding voluntarily (HI, MD, NY,1 and WA); in thirteen, courts interpreting their state constitutions have declared broad and independent protection for reproductive choice and have ordered nondiscriminatory public funding of abortion (AK, AZ, CA, CT, IL, MA, MN, MT, NJ, NM, OR, VT, and WV).2 Thirty-two of the remaining states pay for abortions for low-income women in cases of life-endangering circumstances, rape, or incest, as mandated by federal Medicaid law.3 (A handful of these states pay as well in cases of fetal impairment or when the pregnancy threatens "severe" health problems, but none provides reimbursement for all medically necessary abortions for low-income women.) Finally, one state (SD) fails even to comply with the Hyde Amendment, instead providing coverage only for lifesaving abortions.
Public Funding for Abortion | American Civil Liberties Union

Reich winger have created death panels for women.
Planned Parenthood offer services to MEN also.

 

[kaz]

So your solution is to close the only women's health center many Americans have access to? Good deal! Better dead than able to exercise their constitutional rights!

Fuck the poor!

So your only solution to keeping the health center that's important to you open is someone else besides you fund it?

No, my solution was universal health care. I did not get what I wanted.

You say "no" and confirm that my statement was correct...

 

[kaz]

The problem with this argument is it's based on the fallacy that society is responsible for the child, not the parents. You ask:

Do you want to pay for the birth control/abortion or the child?

I reject the premise of the question. It's not my child.

So, in your vision of the perfect nation, children starve in the streets?

Good to know!

This is what it comes down to for liberals, as is the last point of yours that I just addressed. Guess what, government is not the only solution to every problem. When you have an idea, you can fund it, you can start a charity. Others start charities and can fund it themselves.

Government is inherently the worst solution to any problem. And yet it is not only the only one you consider, it's the only one you even recognize. First should be personal accountability, last should be government.

 

[LilOlLady]

Services Offered
Birth Control Services
Emergency Contraception
General Health Care
HIV Testing HPV & Hepatitis Vaccines LGBT Services
Men’s Health Services
Patient Education
Pregnancy Testing, Options & Services
STD Testing & Treatment Women’s Health Services
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[LilOlLady]

Services Offered
Birth Control Services
Emergency Contraception
General Health Care
HIV Testing HPV & Hepatitis Vaccines LGBT Services
Men’s Health Services
Patient Education
Pregnancy Testing, Options & Services
STD Testing & Treatment Women’s Health Services
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/155447-house-gopers-war-on-birth-control-26.html#post3342800

 

[Twin Fist]

they might OFFER snow cones, i dont care, what they DO is murder babies.

and they use tax dollars to do it.

if they didnt, they could just split into two entities, one that does abortions (and gets no tax dollars)and one that does birth control(and gets tax dollars).

but they wont.

why?

CUZ THEY USE TAX MONEY TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS

 

[kaz]

they might OFFER snow cones, i dont care, what they DO is murder babies.

and they use tax dollars to do it.

if they didnt, they could just split into two entities, one that does abortions (and gets no tax dollars)and one that does birth control(and gets tax dollars).

but they wont.

why?

CUZ THEY USE TAX MONEY TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS

I have a question for you:

Since you support government confiscating money and spending on birth control, why shouldn't someone else support confiscating money and spending it on abortion? You're agreeing with the system we all have to pay for the majority's will. I'm consistent. I'm pro-choice and pro-birth control. I'm against government funding abortion and I'm against government funding birth control. You're just accepting that the majority should fund what it wants and the minority should be forced with the power of government guns to pay for it.

My question, so basically you're just mad you're in the minority on this one? You recognize the right of the majority to force you to pay for abortions, you just want them to chose to stop doing it?

 

[GStarz]

they might OFFER snow cones, i dont care, what they DO is murder babies.

and they use tax dollars to do it.

if they didnt, they could just split into two entities, one that does abortions (and gets no tax dollars)and one that does birth control(and gets tax dollars).

but they wont.

why?

CUZ THEY USE TAX MONEY TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS

I have a question for you:

Since you support government confiscating money and spending on birth control, why shouldn't someone else support confiscating money and spending it on abortion? You're agreeing with the system we all have to pay for the majority's will. I'm consistent. I'm pro-choice and pro-birth control. I'm against government funding abortion and I'm against government funding birth control. You're just accepting that the majority should fund what it wants and the minority should be forced with the power of government guns to pay for it.

My question, so basically you're just mad you're in the minority on this one? You recognize the right of the majority to force you to pay for abortions, you just want them to chose to stop doing it?

What a stupid question. one prevents a baby from starting to develop and the other murders one who is already well along, sometimes very well along. The cold-blooded, heartless, murder-for-convenience mindset of liberals pro-murder-choice philosophy is bad enough, but expecting people who disagree with it to foot the bill for murder-on-demand in wholesale numbers is simply unbelievable.

 

[Cecilie1200]

[...]

These guys did say they would be all about jobs, am I correct? And instead, they're about setting back women's rights 100 years?

Your thoughts?

Top 10 Shocking Attacks from the GOP War on Women

1) Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't.

2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims."

3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)

4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.

5) In Congress, Republicans have proposed a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.


6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.


7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.

8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.

9) Congress voted yesterday on a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.


10) And if that wasn't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up).

Wow. Y'know, I looked really hard, and I didn't see a single source citation to substantiate anything you said. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you actually believed we were all going to take YOUR word for it.

Perhaps if I enlarge the font, the citations will appear in the fine print?

 

[Cecilie1200]

[...]

My thoughts are that my tax dollars should not be going to pay for some other woman to murder her child because it's an inconvenience to her. I fully support this bill.

You should understand that the vast majority of abortions your tax dollars will be paying for will be terminating the pregnancies of women who are not married and cannot afford the cost of giving birth to and raising a child.

So which would you rather your tax dollars pay for, an abortion or the birth and development of a child from infancy to -- who knows?

Did you ACTUALLY just ask if we wouldn't prefer to just kill babies because it's cheaper than keeping them alive? Seriously?!

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm comfortable with the Hyde Amendment as a measure for when taxpayers money should be used for abortion. If the Dems would stop trying to force Americans to pay for abortions, the GOP wouldn't have to waste time fighting it.

Exactly.

Public funds DO NOT pay for abortions at Planned Parenthood. They get lots of donations. Planned Parent hood is about more than abortions. It is a safe place for women to have abortions instead of using rusty coat hangers and in back alleys. Public funds went to killing 5,000 ameircan troops, wounding thousands permanently, killing thousand of innocent Iraqi men, women and children.

Perhaps you weren't aware that, in addition to their "lots of donations", Planned Parenthood gets over 300 million dollars a year from government grants and contracts. According to the most recent figures I can find, only a quarter of their income is provided by private donors.

And only a dimwit or a dedicated partisan hack really believes that recording income in one box instead of another ACTUALLY means that those federal funds have nothing to do with abortion.

What is the Hyde Amendment?

Passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid. Congress has made some exceptions to the funding ban, which have varied over the years. At present, the federal Medicaid program mandates abortion funding in cases of rape or incest, as well as when a pregnant woman's life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness, or injury.

Most states have followed the federal government's lead in restricting public funding for abortion. Currently only seventeen states fund abortions for low-income women on the same or similar terms as other pregnancy-related and general health services. (See map.) Four of these states provide funding voluntarily (HI, MD, NY,1 and WA); in thirteen, courts interpreting their state constitutions have declared broad and independent protection for reproductive choice and have ordered nondiscriminatory public funding of abortion (AK, AZ, CA, CT, IL, MA, MN, MT, NJ, NM, OR, VT, and WV).2 Thirty-two of the remaining states pay for abortions for low-income women in cases of life-endangering circumstances, rape, or incest, as mandated by federal Medicaid law.3 (A handful of these states pay as well in cases of fetal impairment or when the pregnancy threatens "severe" health problems, but none provides reimbursement for all medically necessary abortions for low-income women.) Finally, one state (SD) fails even to comply with the Hyde Amendment, instead providing coverage only for lifesaving abortions.
Public Funding for Abortion | American Civil Liberties Union

Reich winger have created death panels for women.

The ACLU? And the parade of embarrassments to the gender just keeps traipsing by.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You should understand that the vast majority of abortions your tax dollars will be paying for will be terminating the pregnancies of women who are not married and cannot afford the cost of giving birth to and raising a child.

So which would you rather your tax dollars pay for, an abortion or the birth and development of a child from infancy to -- who knows?

The problem with this argument is it's based on the fallacy that society is responsible for the child, not the parents. You ask:

Do you want to pay for the birth control/abortion or the child?

I reject the premise of the question. It's not my child.

So, in your vision of the perfect nation, children starve in the streets?

Good to know!

Ahhh, compassionate, humanitarian killing of children to prevent suffering. Just warms the cockles of your heart, doesn't it?

 

[Twin Fist]

actually, I am violently pro-choice, i just dont think it should be paid for by tax dollars.


that sort of deflates your BS doesnt it?

they might OFFER snow cones, i dont care, what they DO is murder babies.

and they use tax dollars to do it.

if they didnt, they could just split into two entities, one that does abortions (and gets no tax dollars)and one that does birth control(and gets tax dollars).

but they wont.

why?

CUZ THEY USE TAX MONEY TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS

I have a question for you:

Since you support government confiscating money and spending on birth control, why shouldn't someone else support confiscating money and spending it on abortion? You're agreeing with the system we all have to pay for the majority's will. I'm consistent. I'm pro-choice and pro-birth control. I'm against government funding abortion and I'm against government funding birth control. You're just accepting that the majority should fund what it wants and the minority should be forced with the power of government guns to pay for it.

My question, so basically you're just mad you're in the minority on this one? You recognize the right of the majority to force you to pay for abortions, you just want them to chose to stop doing it?

 

[Twin Fist]

"Congratulations, clown bitch pussy. I'll now neg you every single opportunity I get."


cuyo, so stupid he cant even cuss correctly..

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Angry yet? I know I'd like to punch someone.

These guys did say they would be all about jobs, am I correct? And instead, they're about setting back women's rights 100 years?

Your thoughts?

Not to worry!!!!

January 20, 2012​

"Today, in a huge victory for women’s health, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced that most employers will be required to cover contraception in their health plans, along with other preventive services, with no cost-sharing such as co-pays or deductibles. This means that after years of trying to get birth control covered to the same extent that health plans cover Viagra, our country will finally have nearly universal coverage of contraception."

Obama Administration Approves Rule​

 

[tinydancer]

Why can't everyone just have access to the morning after pill? PP has been lobbying under different names against it. Which proves they really do want to be abortion factories.

I want the morning after pill available to every young woman. Yes you heard it hear first from an old broad who is conservative but still rocked while she was young and I know first hand how one can make mistakes.

I just want the morning after pill to be available without question over the counter.

I guarantee you PP will be against this like they always have been.

 

[Chris]

Republicans want to outlaw birth control.

They have really moved to the extreme right.

 

[Chris]

The problem with this argument is it's based on the fallacy that society is responsible for the child, not the parents. You ask:

Do you want to pay for the birth control/abortion or the child?

I reject the premise of the question. It's not my child.

So, in your vision of the perfect nation, children starve in the streets?

Good to know!

Ahhh, compassionate, humanitarian killing of children to prevent suffering. Just warms the cockles of your heart, doesn't it?

50% of American women will have an unwanted pregnancy in their lifetime. The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term. Unwanted children are MUCH more likely to be abused. Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse.

And don't tell me an embryo is a human being. If it was, the thousands of frozen embryos in fertility labs in this country would have the right to own guns.

 

[logical4u]

So, in your vision of the perfect nation, children starve in the streets?

Good to know!

Ahhh, compassionate, humanitarian killing of children to prevent suffering. Just warms the cockles of your heart, doesn't it?

50% of American women will have an unwanted pregnancy in their lifetime. The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term. Unwanted children are MUCH more likely to be abused. Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse.

And don't tell me an embryo is a human being. If it was, the thousands of frozen embryos in fertility labs in this country would have the right to own guns.

If they had the money, they could but the guns, probably thru the justice dept under crawling and cranky (not exactly fast and furious).

 

[Katzndogz]

Why can't everyone just have access to the morning after pill? PP has been lobbying under different names against it. Which proves they really do want to be abortion factories.

I want the morning after pill available to every young woman. Yes you heard it hear first from an old broad who is conservative but still rocked while she was young and I know first hand how one can make mistakes.

I just want the morning after pill to be available without question over the counter.

I guarantee you PP will be against this like they always have been.

Look at it realistically. We do not allow very young people, boys and girls to buy cough syrup, or spray cans of paint, now I understand drain cleaner is off limits. Why? Because they lack good judgment. The morning after pill is not harmless. Misused it is quite dangerous. Children who did not have the judgment in the first place to use a condom can't be trusted to take this kind of medication unsupervised. Young people who routinely overdose on the prescription medication they have acces to can't be trusted to use their judgment to use a medication like this.

That's why it isn't available over the counter.