Discussion in 'Politics' started by Coyote, Jun 14, 2017.
Yup, southern conservatives are often racists. Gold star for you.
"Then they switched over to the Republican party."
According to this liberal myth, Goldwater and the Republicans were racists and used racism to appeal to racist southerners to change the electoral map. To believe the tale, one must be either a reliable Democrat voter, and/or be ignorant of the history of the time.
Goldwater was one of only six Republican senators to vote against the 1964 act. He did so on libertarian grounds, opposed to the act’s restrictions on private property which he believed beyond the Congress’s powers under the commerce clause. Five others supported the party’s presidential nominee.
Goldwater went on to win five southern states in 1964: Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. But he lost eight.
Democrats build the ‘southern strategy’ tale on the fact that the same states voted for ‘Dixiecrat’ Strom Thurmond in 1948 (less Georgia).
Except that Nixon and Reagan lost, or almost lost the same states in ’68 and ’80…
And Jimmy Carter and Clinton did pretty well in those states in ’76 and ’92.
And the Goldwater states went right back to voting Democrat for decades…
So…if Republicans were racists and got racist southerners to vote for them, how to explain this: Republicans always did best in the southern states that Goldwater lost, which happened to be the same ones Republicans had been winning with some regularity since 1928.
In ’28, ’52, ’56, and ’60, Republicans generally won Virginia, Florida, Texas, Kentucky and sometimes North Carolina or Louisiana. Did you notice that those years were before 1964?
Four years after Goldwater, the segregationist vote went right back to Democrats: Humphrey got half of Wallace’s supporters on election day. Nixon got none of ‘em. “When the '68 campaign began, Nixon was at 42 percent, Humphrey at 29 percent, Wallace at 22 percent. When it ended, Nixon and Humphrey were tied at 43 percent, with Wallace at 13 percent. The 9 percent of the national vote that had been peeled off from Wallace had gone to Humphrey.” Pat Buchanan - The neocons & Nixon's southern strategy
In ’76, Carter swept the South. Was Carter appealing to bigots….or is that only the case when Republicans win the South?
Reagan lost or barely won the Goldwater states…but Reagan won among young southern voters- but lost among seniors, those who has voted in ’48 and ’64. That meant that the segregationists never abandoned the Democrats: eventually they died or were outvoted by younger voters. …after Thurmond’s run, the Dixiecrats went right back to voting for Democrats for another half century.
In writing about McGovern and Wallace, liberal luminary, Arthur Schlesinger, actually referred to Wallace voters as responding to their candidate’s “integrity”! “The primaries themselves, especially the success of McGovern and Wallace, provide the best evidence for the proposition that voters in 1972 care less about a candidate's stand on particular issues than they do about the candidate's integrity,…” How McGovern Will Win
McGovern gave a tip-of-the-hat to the segregationist Wallace in his acceptance speech at the Democrat Convention. That was the exact midpoint between Goldwater and Reagan. So…what of the imaginary “southern strategy” where the Republicans were supposed to have a plan to appeal to racists?
Democrat McGovern: “And I was as moved as well by the appearance in the Convention Hall of the Governor of Alabama, George Wallace. … Governor, we pray for your full recovery so you can stand up and speak out for all of those who see you as their champion.” ACCEPTANCE SPEECH OF SENATOR GEORGE MCGOVERN
Perhaps you aren't too old to educate yourself.....pick up a book for once.
"I know the Democratic Party is not racist."
You couldn't be more wrong.
You could attempt to be, but you wouldn't be successful.
The most glaring proof is Bill Clinton, long time personification of the Democrat Party.
He has been a racist his entire life.
Challenge me on that.
Yup, southern conservatives are often racists. Gold star for you.[/QUOTE]
It's not 'southerners,' you lying sack of offal: it's Democrats.
There were plenty of southern integrationists. They were Republicans.
1966- pro-integrationist Republican Winthrop Rockefeller won Arkansas, replacing Clinton-pal Orval Faubus.
1966 Republican Bo Calloway ran against Democrat Lester Maddox, who “gained national attention for refusing to serve blacks in his popular cafeteria near the Georgia Tech campus. Newsmen tipped off about the confrontation reported how restaurant patrons and employees wielded ax handles while Mr. Maddox waved a pistol. …” Lester Maddox Dies at 87; Segregationist Ex-Governor Leaves Complicated Legacy | HighBeam Business: Arrive Prepared
Maddox was endorsed by Democrat Jimmy Carter in the above governor’s race. When the race was too close to call, the Democrat state legislature gave it to Maddox.
Calloway appealed to the Supreme Court….but the court upheld the legislature’s decision.
On that very Supreme Court was former KKK member Justice Hugo Black.
Democrat Hugo Black was Democrat FDR’s first appointee, in 1937. This KKK Senator from Alabama wrote the majority decision on Korematsu v. US; in 1967, he said ‘They all look alike to a person not a Jap.” Engage: Conversations in Philosophy: "They all look alike to a person not a Jap"*: The Legacy of Korematsu at OSU
And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
1966- Republican Spiro Agnew ran against Democrat segregationists George Mahoney for governor of Maryland. Agnew enacted some of the first laws in the nation against race discrimination in public housing. “Agnew signed the state's first open-housing laws and succeeded in getting the repeal of an anti-miscegenation law.” Spiro Agnew - Wikipedia
2. 1957- Democrat Sam Ervin, another liberal luminary, instrumental in the destruction of anti-communist Republicans Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon, told his fellow segregationists, and who led the Watergate investigation, said of the 1957 civil rights bill: “We’ve got to give the goddamned ******* something. We’re not gonna be able to get out of here until we’ve got some kind of ****** bill.’ Robert Caro, “Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson,” xv.
um, then neither is the republican party. or white males. or black males.
it's next to impossible to take an entire group of people and apply a statement like that and have it be true.
And as also already noted when that Republican Party won the Presidency the South completely rejected the Democrats, awarding it zero electoral votes, identical to Lincoln's total, who wasn't even on a ballot, and driving its convention out of the South altogether. Guess that was just too hard to digest.
The Klan was formed Christmas 1865 by six bored twentysomething ex-Confederate soldiers, to wit: Capt. John Lester, Capt. John Kennedy, Major James Crowe, Richard Reed, Frank McCord and Calvin Jones, in Jones father's (Thomas) law office building at 205 West Madison Street in Pulaski Tennessee. They did so as an innocuous social club with no political (or racial) purpose at all, as a fraternal college-age prank, hence its various K-alliterations. None of those six --- not a one --- had any known political history or affiliation at all. Which is not surprising since the last time Tennessee had been officially part of the United States it was unlikely any were old enough to register to vote anyway.
And btw when that did happen, in 1860, Tennessee voted for John Bell of the Constitutional Union Party, which was against both secession and the expansion of slavery.
All of which has been posted at least four times in this thread alone, including evidence from your own link.
Prove any of that wrong.
Bullshit. Coyote claimed no such thing. NOR do you have any such evidence to your own assertion of what political party the assailants were affiliated with --- or if they were affiliated with any at all.
Prove me wrong..
Unsubstantiated speculation. You have, of course no evidence.
Insofar as both existed in the South. Although in the 19th century version, the DP existed everywhere else as well, but was the only political party that existed in the South when the Klan formed so --- some "link". Not to be ignored is your ellipsis, which always means you've dishonestly cut out something inconvenient.
Something like this perhaps?
>> "Lifting the Klan mask [19th Century version] revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." --- Elaine Frantz Parsons PhD, "Ku Klux: The Birth of the Klan During Reconstruction" (UNC Press) p. 816) <<
The facts on the origin, with specific names, are posted above (again). Your invitation to prove any of those facts erroneous still stands untouched. Because they ain't erroneous.
You can make shit up all day long (or in your case cut and paste the same bullshit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over as you have here expecting different results but said different results WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Such is the nature of Bullshit. It doesn't somehow "graduate" into reality just because you keep posting the same fabrications over and over and over and over and over and over and over after they've already been disproven.
Now grow the fuck up, dishonest HACK.
You know that everything I posted is correct.....hence, your inability to prevent your chagrin from showing....i.e., vulgarity.
Now...on to more pressing issues:
As you senior citizens glow most when you provide your complete medical report, and while this usually bores me to tears, in your case I am anxious to hear about any ailments, no matter how small or insignificant, as one never knows what could develop into something fatal at your age.
And the first POTUS to prosecute that Klan was --- Lyndon Johnson. And the Georgia governor who revoked its state charter was Ellis Arnall. And the POTUS whose IRS Arnall worked with to shoot the legs out from under the Klan's organization by handing it a staggering back-tax bill was FDR. And the Alabama governor who signed an anti-masking bill into state law (recently invoked in Antifa actions) was Jim Folsom. And the Oklahoma Gov who tried to drive the Klan out of that state after the Tulsa Race Riots -- and got removed from office at the hands of the KKK in retaliation --- was Jack Walton. And the Alabama Senator who vociferously called out the Klan, causing the KKK to lobby against his 1924 Presidential candidacy was Oscar Underwood. And the Florida Governor and Senator candidate who infiltrated the Klan, wrote an exposé book about it and later worked with the writers of the Superman radio show to make the Klan into a mockery was Stetson Kennedy.
Guess what political party all of those people were part of. I gives you a hint --- it was not the Whigs. Another hint --- it was the party of choice for immigrants, Catholics, Jews and labor unions, all of which were persecuted BY that same Klan.
So much for Composition Fallacies. Unless of course you'd like me to go into the Rice Meanses and the George Bakers and the Owen Brewsters and the Ed Jacksons and the D.C. Stephensons and the Clarence Morleys. But maybe you do --- I don't know exactly how deeply your masochistic streak runs.
Bill Clinton, long time personification of the Democrat Party.
He has been a racist his entire life.
Challenge me on that.
I already did.
You ran away.
Let's be clear: are you disputing that Bill Clinton has been a racist his entire life?
Third time, you little weasel: are you disputing that Bill Clinton has been a racist his entire life?
Answer the question.
Separate names with a comma.