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[AllieBaba]

Providing for a well maintained military is not fascism.

 

[Contumacious]

Every able bodied man had to show up for militia duty regularly or face a fine. That ran all the way up to almost 1850.

Talk about government coercion.

You have to have a military, or you don't have a country. Period.

And with a standing army you don't have rights, ask the Jews and the Davidians.

 

[necritan]

Every able bodied man had to show up for militia duty regularly or face a fine. That ran all the way up to almost 1850.

Talk about government coercion.

You have to have a military, or you don't have a country. Period.

I don't have a problem with it.

Comatose here though seems to think none of the Founders were in favor of conscription.

These were Militia's designed to protect from invasion......not to fight War's in rice patties.

When protecting from invasion exclusively....its hard to consider them conscripts.

I'd like to point out these individuals were all supposed to provide their own weapons too.

 

[AllieBaba]

Ask them what they thought about America's standing Army when we brought them freedom.

 

[AllieBaba]

You have to have a military, or you don't have a country. Period.

I don't have a problem with it.

Comatose here though seems to think none of the Founders were in favor of conscription.

These were Militia's designed to protect from invasion......not to fight War's in rice patties.

When protecting from invasion exclusively....its hard to consider them conscripts.

I'd like to point out these individuals were all supposed to provide their own weapons too.

In those days, of course, there was no threat of being obliterated by nuclear weapons being fired from afar, and no jets, either.

 

[Contumacious]

Providing for a well maintained military is not fascism.

Providing funds for raising an army is not fascist,

FORCING me to join the army is fascistic.

We firearms all over the house , now that the kids are gone. You don't fucking have to force me to shoot at any invading forces.

But I will not let my children or grandchildren fight in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan , Pakistan nor any military incursion designed to change regimes, steal oil , engage in violations of international law, etc.

 

[AllieBaba]

Not if we need men to protect the country from being obliterated.

 

[AllieBaba]

Luckily, since we aren't a fascist gov't (yet) you're always free to leave if you don't like it.

 

[Contumacious]

I don't have a problem with it.

Comatose here though seems to think none of the Founders were in favor of conscription.

These were Militia's designed to protect from invasion......not to fight War's in rice patties.

When protecting from invasion exclusively....its hard to consider them conscripts.

I'd like to point out these individuals were all supposed to provide their own weapons too.

In those days, of course, there was no threat of being obliterated by nuclear weapons being fired from afar, and no jets, either.

HUH?

And who introduced NUCLEAR FUCKING WEAPONS into the battleground?

And HOW will conscription prevent the Russkies and/or AQ from launching an atomic weapon?

.

 

[paperview]

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Identify one single Founding Father who supported conscription. Show me where Patrick Henry stated "I do not mind being forced to fight for the federal government"


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Er....:[SIZE=+2]Militia Act of 1792[/SIZE],
Second Congress, Session I. Chapter XXVIII
Passed May 2, 1792,

The Militia Act of 1792


I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act.

This was an act adopted by the second congress . The concept was opposed by both James Madison and Thomas Jefferson

"
James Madison, "The Father of the Constitution," voiced his concern as well:

A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.

Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.

Thomas Jefferson not only included standing armies in the Declaration of Independence as a component of British tyranny, he likewise despairingly described them elsewhere:

There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army.

Were armies to be raised whenever a speck of war is visible in our horizon, we never should have been without them. Our resources would have been exhausted on dangers which have never happened, instead of being reserved for what is really to take place.

Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace.

So the Militia Act of 1792 was an unconstitutional usurpation of power.

FAil.

Again.

A Well-Organized and Armed Militia

"For a people who are free and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. It is, therefore, incumbent on us at every meeting [of Congress] to revise the condition of the militia and to ask ourselves if it is prepared to repel a powerful enemy at every point of our territories exposed to invasion... Congress alone have power to produce a uniform state of preparation in this great organ of defense. The interests which they so deeply feel in their own and their country's security will present this as among the most important objects of their deliberation."
--Thomas Jefferson: 8th Annual Message, 1808. ME 3:482 '

"None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important." --Thomas Jefferson, 1803.

"It is more a subject of joy [than of regret] that we have so few of the desperate characters which compose modern regular armies. But it proves more forcibly the necessity of obliging every citizen to be a soldier; this was the case with the Greeks and Romans and must be that of every free State. Where there is no oppression there can be no pauper hirelings." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1813.

"A well-disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war till regulars may relieve them, I deem [one of] the essential principles of our Government, and consequently [one of] those which ought to shape its administration."
--Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801.

"[The] governor [is] constitutionally the commander of the militia of the State, that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms." --Thomas Jefferson to A. L. C. Destutt de Tracy, 1811.

"Uncertain as we must ever be of the particular point in our circumference where an enemy may choose to invade us, the only force which can be ready at every point and competent to oppose them, is the body of neighboring citizens as formed into a militia. On these, collected from the parts most convenient, in numbers proportioned to the invading foe, it is best to rely, not only to meet the first attack, but if it threatens to be permanent, to maintain the defence until regulars may be engaged to relieve them."
--Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334


Every Citizen a Member of the Militia

"We must train and classify the whole of our male citizens, and make military instruction a regular part of collegiate education. We can never be safe till this is done."

--Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1813.



"I think the truth must now be obvious that our people are too happy at home to enter into regular service, and that we cannot be defended but by making every citizen a soldier, as the Greeks and Romans who had no standing armies; and that in doing this all must be marshaled, classed by their ages, and every service ascribed to its competent class."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1814.



​

 

[Contumacious]

Luckily, since we aren't a fascist gov't (yet) you're always free to leave if you don't like it.

So the Founding Fathers should have moved to Mexico rather that fighting the British. Not a chance , I have swore to defend the Constitution against foreign and DOMESTIC enemies.

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[paperview]

Providing for a well maintained military is not fascism.

Providing funds for raising an army is not fascist,

FORCING me to join the army is fascistic.

We firearms all over the house , now that the kids are gone. You don't fucking have to force me to shoot at any invading forces.

But I will not let my children or grandchildren fight in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan , Pakistan nor any military incursion designed to change regimes, steal oil , engage in violations of international law, etc.

Well there you have it. Thomas Jefferson was a fascist according to you.

 

[Contumacious]

Er....:[SIZE=+2]Militia Act of 1792[/SIZE],
Second Congress, Session I. Chapter XXVIII
Passed May 2, 1792,

The Militia Act of 1792


I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act.

This was an act adopted by the second congress . The concept was opposed by both James Madison and Thomas Jefferson

"
James Madison, "The Father of the Constitution," voiced his concern as well:

A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.

Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.

Thomas Jefferson not only included standing armies in the Declaration of Independence as a component of British tyranny, he likewise despairingly described them elsewhere:

There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army.

Were armies to be raised whenever a speck of war is visible in our horizon, we never should have been without them. Our resources would have been exhausted on dangers which have never happened, instead of being reserved for what is really to take place.

Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace.

So the Militia Act of 1792 was an unconstitutional usurpation of power.

FAil.

Again.

A Well-Organized and Armed Militia

"For a people who are free and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. It is, therefore, incumbent on us at every meeting [of Congress] to revise the condition of the militia and to ask ourselves if it is prepared to repel a powerful enemy at every point of our territories exposed to invasion... Congress alone have power to produce a uniform state of preparation in this great organ of defense. The interests which they so deeply feel in their own and their country's security will present this as among the most important objects of their deliberation."
--Thomas Jefferson: 8th Annual Message, 1808. ME 3:482 '

"None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important." --Thomas Jefferson, 1803.

"It is more a subject of joy [than of regret] that we have so few of the desperate characters which compose modern regular armies. But it proves more forcibly the necessity of obliging every citizen to be a soldier; this was the case with the Greeks and Romans and must be that of every free State. Where there is no oppression there can be no pauper hirelings." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1813.

"A well-disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war till regulars may relieve them, I deem [one of] the essential principles of our Government, and consequently [one of] those which ought to shape its administration."
--Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801.

"[The] governor [is] constitutionally the commander of the militia of the State, that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms." --Thomas Jefferson to A. L. C. Destutt de Tracy, 1811.

"Uncertain as we must ever be of the particular point in our circumference where an enemy may choose to invade us, the only force which can be ready at every point and competent to oppose them, is the body of neighboring citizens as formed into a militia. On these, collected from the parts most convenient, in numbers proportioned to the invading foe, it is best to rely, not only to meet the first attack, but if it threatens to be permanent, to maintain the defence until regulars may be engaged to relieve them."
--Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334


Every Citizen a Member of the Militia

"We must train and classify the whole of our male citizens, and make military instruction a regular part of collegiate education. We can never be safe till this is done."

--Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1813.



"I think the truth must now be obvious that our people are too happy at home to enter into regular service, and that we cannot be defended but by making every citizen a soldier, as the Greeks and Romans who had no standing armies; and that in doing this all must be marshaled, classed by their ages, and every service ascribed to its competent class."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1814.



​

I did not see the word conscription therein.

I go to the gun range at least once a month, I buy my own firearms and ammunition - don't need Obama to encourage or force me to do anything.


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[paperview]

May 8, 1792
Militia Act establishes conscription under federal law

On this day in 1792, Congress passes the second portion of the Militia Act, requiring that “every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years… be enrolled in the militia.”

This Day in History 1792: Militia Act establishes conscription under federal law

 

[Contumacious]

Providing for a well maintained military is not fascism.

Providing funds for raising an army is not fascist,

FORCING me to join the army is fascistic.

We firearms all over the house , now that the kids are gone. You don't fucking have to force me to shoot at any invading forces.

But I will not let my children or grandchildren fight in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan , Pakistan nor any military incursion designed to change regimes, steal oil , engage in violations of international law, etc.

Well there you have it. Thomas Jefferson was a fascist according to you.

STFU.


Thomas Jefferson, in a letter written to John Adams during the War for Independence, referred to conscription as "the last of all oppressions." If the State can steal you -- not just your labor, but your physical being -- as those controlling it see fit, you have no rights.

 

[AllieBaba]

These were Militia's designed to protect from invasion......not to fight War's in rice patties.

When protecting from invasion exclusively....its hard to consider them conscripts.

I'd like to point out these individuals were all supposed to provide their own weapons too.

In those days, of course, there was no threat of being obliterated by nuclear weapons being fired from afar, and no jets, either.

HUH?

And who introduced NUCLEAR FUCKING WEAPONS into the battleground?

And HOW will conscription prevent the Russkies and/or AQ from launching an atomic weapon?

.

Nuclear weapons used to prevent the Japanese from bombing the shit out of us again.

And research the Manhattan Project. A huge percentage of the scientists weren't American.

 

[necritan]

In those days, of course, there was no threat of being obliterated by nuclear weapons being fired from afar, and no jets, either.

HUH?

And who introduced NUCLEAR FUCKING WEAPONS into the battleground?

And HOW will conscription prevent the Russkies and/or AQ from launching an atomic weapon?

.

Nuclear weapons used to prevent the Japanese from bombing the shit out of us again.

And research the Manhattan Project. A huge percentage of the scientists weren't American.

Actually.....we dropped the "A" bombs because a land invasion would have meant casualties the likes of which we have never seen.

 

[necritan]

May 8, 1792
Militia Act establishes conscription under federal law

On this day in 1792, Congress passes the second portion of the Militia Act, requiring that “every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years… be enrolled in the militia.”

This Day in History 1792: Militia Act establishes conscription under federal law

Being "Enrolled" in a Militia is hardly having an international Army like we have now. This was a way to have things organized in the event of an invasion.

One's life , liberty and pursuit of happiness sure go to shit if we allow an invasion to successfully occur.

And....once again...Id like to point out that no one seemed to have a problem with just about every mother fucker havin a gun back then.

 

[Yukon]

If Hitler had won the war you wouldn't be complaining about a Negro being President.

 

[elvis]

If Hitler had won the war you wouldn't be complaining about a Negro being President.

If Hitler had won, you'd be a slave of the German Empire.