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[Contumacious]

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Is this, Sir, consistent with the character of a free Government? Is this civil liberty? Is this the real character of our Constitution? No, Sir, indeed it is not. The Constitution is libeled, foully libeled. The people of this country have not established for themselves such a fabric of despotism. They have not purchased at a vast expense of their own treasure and their own blood a Magna Charta to be slaves. Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war, in which the folly or the wickedness of Government may engage it?


Daniel Webster (1782-1852),

 

[AllieBaba]

They did define it. Section 8.

 

[jillian]

No, our government does not have the power to do anything it thinks is for the public good. Our government has the power to defend us and protect our individual rights. Anything beyond that we have the right and the obligation to oppose.

You need to read the constitution again, alleged lawyer.

if you weren't so stupid, i might actually give a rat's patoot about what you think.

why do you think there's a general welfare clause, genius?

 

[AllieBaba]

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Is this, Sir, consistent with the character of a free Government? Is this civil liberty? Is this the real character of our Constitution? No, Sir, indeed it is not. The Constitution is libeled, foully libeled. The people of this country have not established for themselves such a fabric of despotism. They have not purchased at a vast expense of their own treasure and their own blood a Magna Charta to be slaves. Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war, in which the folly or the wickedness of Government may engage it?


Daniel Webster (1782-1852),

"To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
Section 8 again.

 

[Contumacious]

on what are you making that assessment? the purpose of government differs depending upon the political philosopher you agree with... Hobbes, Locke, DeToqueville... but all of those are just philosophical musings.

Our government has the power to do anything in furtherance of the public good. That's why the Constitution has a very broad general welfare clause

Really?


How did the Founding Fathers define "public good?

The Constitutions grants SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED POWERS - NONe of which is to secure the "public good"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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They didn't define it... what falls within the general welfare claus is determined by the court if a case is brought before it.

you know, you could be interesting... if you didn't keep pulling stuff out of your butt.

I see, so we have no rights until SCOTUS so declared in a 5 to 4 decision........hummmmmm so was that a Vagina Monologue?


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[paperview]

Was forced conscription, something we had for some 60 or so years (from our inception to about the mid 1840's) - part of your definition of fascistic?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Identify one single Founding Father who supported conscription. Show me where Patrick Henry stated "I do not mind being forced to fight for the federal government"


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Er....:[SIZE=+2]Militia Act of 1792[/SIZE],
Second Congress, Session I. Chapter XXVIII
Passed May 2, 1792,

The Militia Act of 1792


I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act.

 

[jillian]

Really?


How did the Founding Fathers define "public good?

The Constitutions grants SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED POWERS - NONe of which is to secure the "public good"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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They didn't define it... what falls within the general welfare claus is determined by the court if a case is brought before it.

you know, you could be interesting... if you didn't keep pulling stuff out of your butt.

I see, so we have no rights until SCOTUS so declared in a 5 to 4 decision........hummmmmm so was that a Vagina Monologue?


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see... now you just got boring.

 

[Contumacious]

Conscription

Is this, Sir, consistent with the character of a free Government? Is this civil liberty? Is this the real character of our Constitution? No, Sir, indeed it is not. The Constitution is libeled, foully libeled. The people of this country have not established for themselves such a fabric of despotism. They have not purchased at a vast expense of their own treasure and their own blood a Magna Charta to be slaves. Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war, in which the folly or the wickedness of Government may engage it?


Daniel Webster (1782-1852),

"To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
Section 8 again.

So which "FOREGOING POWER" grants the authority? That was Mr Webster's question.


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[AllieBaba]

The foregoing powers are the ones listed and numbered in section 8, about 1/2 an inch above that statement.

 

[paperview]

Every able bodied man had to show up for militia duty regularly or face a fine. That ran all the way up to almost 1850.

Talk about government coercion.

 

[AllieBaba]

And not one of them refers to health care, housing, or a welfare check.

 

[AllieBaba]

Every able bodied man had to show up for militia duty regularly or face a fine. That ran all the way up to almost 1850.

Talk about government coercion.

You have to have a military, or you don't have a country. Period.

 

[paperview]

They didn't define it... what falls within the general welfare claus is determined by the court if a case is brought before it.

you know, you could be interesting... if you didn't keep pulling stuff out of your butt.

I see, so we have no rights until SCOTUS so declared in a 5 to 4 decision........hummmmmm so was that a Vagina Monologue?


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see... now you just got boring.

 

[paperview]

Every able bodied man had to show up for militia duty regularly or face a fine. That ran all the way up to almost 1850.

Talk about government coercion.

You have to have a military, or you don't have a country. Period.

I don't have a problem with it.

Comatose here though seems to think none of the Founders were in favor of conscription.

 

[EriktheRed]

And not one of them refers to health care, housing, or a welfare check.

Nor do they expressly prohibit them.

 

[AllieBaba]

And not one of them refers to health care, housing, or a welfare check.

Nor do they expressly prohibit them.

The powers of the government are listed and numbered because they are exclusive. Any more and the government is identified as tyrannical.

 

[paperview]

And not one of them refers to health care, housing, or a welfare check.

Nor do they expressly prohibit them.

The powers of the government are listed and numbered because they are exclusive. Any more and the government is identified as tyrannical.

Was the last administration "tyrannical?"

 

[necritan]

Nor do they expressly prohibit them.

The powers of the government are listed and numbered because they are exclusive. Any more and the government is identified as tyrannical.

Was the last administration "tyrannical?"

Gettin there......just like this one is gettin there even faster.

 

[Contumacious]

Was forced conscription, something we had for some 60 or so years (from our inception to about the mid 1840's) - part of your definition of fascistic?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Identify one single Founding Father who supported conscription. Show me where Patrick Henry stated "I do not mind being forced to fight for the federal government"


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Er....:[SIZE=+2]Militia Act of 1792[/SIZE],
Second Congress, Session I. Chapter XXVIII
Passed May 2, 1792,

The Militia Act of 1792


I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act.

This was an act adopted by the second congress . The concept was opposed by both James Madison and Thomas Jefferson

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James Madison, "The Father of the Constitution," voiced his concern as well:

A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.

Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.

Thomas Jefferson not only included standing armies in the Declaration of Independence as a component of British tyranny, he likewise despairingly described them elsewhere:

There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army.

Were armies to be raised whenever a speck of war is visible in our horizon, we never should have been without them. Our resources would have been exhausted on dangers which have never happened, instead of being reserved for what is really to take place.

Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace.

So the Militia Act of 1792 was an unconstitutional usurpation of power.

 

[Contumacious]

Every able bodied man had to show up for militia duty regularly or face a fine. That ran all the way up to almost 1850.

Talk about government coercion.

You have to have a military, or you don't have a country. Period.

I don't have a problem with it.

Comatose here though seems to think none of the Founders were in favor of conscription.

Of course you don't - there is nothing more appealing to fascists than sending their young to fight for the Vaterland .

And of course, as a woman you do not risk leaving your gray matter all over the Fallujah countryside.