Hitler Hated Communism, Socialist, Homosexuals, and Jews

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    In fact, he went after them before he started exterminating Jews. So, who hates communism, socialism, and homosexuals more, democrats, or republicans. Here is an excerpt from a book, you know, a good, historical account, rather than a right-wing idiot paid to mislead you, so you can get all irritated about something that isn't even true, and look like a dummy.

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    Perhaps to emphasize this anti-capitalist focus, and to align itself with similar groups in Austria and Czechoslovakia, the party changed its name in February 1920 to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party; hostile commentators soon abbreviated this to the word ‘Nazi”, just as the enemies of the Social Democrats had abbreviated the name of that party earlier on to ‘Sozi’. Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of or an outgrowth from, Socialism. True, as some have pointed out, its rhetoric was frequently egalitarian, it stressed the need to put common needs above the needs of the individual, and it often declared itself opposed to big business and international finance capital. Famously, too, anti-Semitism was once declared to be ‘the socialism of fools’. But from the very beginning Hitler declared himself implacably opposed to Social Democracy and, initially to a much smaller extent, Communism: after all, the ‘November traitors’ who had signed the Armistice and later the Treaty of Versailles were not Communists at all, but the Social Democrats and their allies.
    The ‘National Socialists’ wanted to unite the two political camps of the left and right into which, they argued, the Jews had manipulated the German nation. The basis for this was to be the idea of race. This was light years removed from the class-based ideology of socialism. Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism, borrowing much of its rhetoric in the process, from its self-image as a movement rather than a party, to its much-vaunted contempt for bourgeois convention and conservative timidity. The idea of ‘party’, suggested allegiance to parliamentary democracy, working steadily within a settled democratic polity. In speeches and propagandas however, Hitler and his followers preferred on the whole to talk of ‘National Socialist movement’, just as the Social Democrats had talked of “workers’ movement” or, come to that, the feminists of the ‘women’s movement’ and the apostles of prewar teenage rebellion of ‘youth movement’. The term not only suggested dynamism and unceasing forward motion, it also more than hinted at an ultimate goal, an absolute object to work towards that was grander and more final than the endless compromises of conventional politics. By presenting itself as a ‘movement’, National Socialism, like the labor movement, advertised is opposition to conventional politics and is intention to subvert and ultimately overthrow the system within which it was initially forced to work.

    By replacing class with race, and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the dictatorship of the leader, Nazism reversed the usual terms of socialist ideology. The synthesis of right and left was neatly symbolized in the Party’s official flag, personally chosen by Hitler in the mid-1920’s: the field was bright red, the color of socialism, with the swastika, the emblem of racist nationalism, outlined in black in the middle of a white circle at the centre of the flag, so that the whole ensemble made a combination of black, white, and red, the colors of the official flag of the Bismarckian rejection of the Weimar Republic and all it stood for; but by changing the design and adding the swastika, a symbol already used by a variety of far-right racist movements and Free Corps units in the postwar period, the Nazis also announced that what they wanted to replace it with was a new, Pan-German racial state, not the old Wilhelmine status quo.

    The Coming of the Third Reich, by Richard J. Evans pp. 173-74

    I might just add, there was a entirely different party, called the Socialist Party, in Germany. Nazis were "National Socialists." They were nationalist, country first above all things, you must believe my ideas, or watch what you say, we'll torture you, kind of people. They were Fascists, not Socialists, and Fascism is that endpoint of the spectrum when Republicans keep on moving to the right, as they did during the Bush years.

    I would say I'm surprised that people can be so uninformed, but with FOX, Limbaugh, and the host of other misinformation sites out there, I understand it perfectly. They are willing to fine a quick flash of Janet Jackson's nipple, but they allow corporate media to flood the airwaves with lies, and misinformation, without penalty. No wonder?
     
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    Yeah because republicans want all those people EXTERMINATED. :cuckoo:
     
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    I might just add, there was a entirely different party, called the Socialist Party, in Germany. Nazis were "National Socialists." They were nationalist, country first above all things, you must believe my ideas, or watch what you say, we'll torture you, kind of people. They were Fascists, not Socialists, and Fascism is that endpoint of the spectrum when Republicans keep on moving to the right, as they did during the Bush years.

    except the political spectrum is a circle.....i always wonder about people that accuse others of things they temselves are doing all while trying to disarm the population and telling them what is good for them.....
     
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    Yes, in fact, the socialist party and communist party took enough votes away from each other that it allowed the Nazis to come to power.
     
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    Robert Paxton wrote on Facism:

    a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion
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    depending on your political bent you can make facism and nazism swing left or right, but the fact neither Nazis or facists were left or right, they were in their own catigory, and have no real connection to modern politics.
     
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    If you are saying that totalitarianism, often mistaken for Marxism, can be reached from both sides, then yea, I agree. I think the conditions under Marxist Totalitarianism are quite different than under Fascism, as displayed in Germany, and Italy. And by the way, tyrannical leaders can manifest under any economic system, even ours. Look at Cheney, Rove, and Rummy.
     
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    Cheny, Rove, and Rummy are not Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, or Stalin. Try again.
     
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    Well you're partially correct. Hitler did hate Communists but he considered himself to be a loyal Socialist. The Nazi party itself was a Socialist Party. It's actually kind of funny reading about Hitler's hatred of the Communists when you realize that Communists aren't really any different than Socialists in the end. Hey the guy was a whacko right?
     
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    Hitler was also vehemently Anti-Capitalism. Sound familiar? Hmm?
     
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    You can try to be party ambivalent on this if you like. It is certainly the brainwashing opinion that the corporate media seems to push. But the quote you posted sounds way more like Republicans, and like I say, the republicans are the ones who hate the same group Hitler and Nazis hated, and attacked and removed before they even took on the Jews. Today's Jews, or hated ones in the republican party, are Blacks and of course, Muslims. You've got to have someone to hate in Fascism, it seems.

    And like I said, there is a spectrum of politics, and Socialism is to the left of being a Democrat, and Fascism is to the right of being a Republican. Are we there yet? Pretty close, as it seems corporations pull the strings and manipulate our politicians at will. Since Fascism is most easily described as corporatism, we've pretty much arrived. Getting power back into the hands of people really requires a compete reform of how we finance our campaigns.
     

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