History Channel Movie debunks "1913 seeds" leftist propaganda clip

[Roudy]

Funny how the "1913 seeds" documentary TOTALLY leaves out such a central figure in the post Ottoman era:

 

[toastman]

I'm willing to bet that Monti will call this video "Zionist Hasbara propaganda'

 

[Roudy]

Monte's 1913 pile of dung totally leaves out this very central figure. How strange is that?

 

[Pete7469]

The Ba'ath Party was inspired by the nazis. It's no wonder the moonbats were reluctant to to support it's destruction.

 

[Coyote]

In 1913 the Mufti wasn't the Mufti, he was an 16-18 yr old youth of no importance in Ottoman regime. Haj Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[montelatici]

Funny how the "1913 seeds" documentary TOTALLY leaves out such a central figure in the post Ottoman era:

How does that video debunk 1913: Seeds of Conflict? in 1913 the Mufti wasn't the Mufti. You are ridiculous.

 

[montelatici]

In 1913 the Mufti wasn't the Mufti, he was an 16-18 yr old youth of no importance in Ottoman regime. Haj Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Beat me to it.

 

[montelatici]

The Ba'ath Party was inspired by the nazis. It's no wonder the moonbats were reluctant to to support it's destruction.

The Baath Party was a Muslim version of Socialism, the opposite of Nazism. Of the two founders of the party one was Christian (Michel Aflaq), one was an atheist (Salah al-Din).

"Baʿth Party, in full Arab Socialist Baʿth Party, or Arab Socialist Renaissance Party, Arabic Ḥizb al-Baʿth al-ʿArabī al-Ishtirākī, Baʿth also spelled Baʿath, Arab political party advocating the formation of a single Arab socialist nation. It has branches in many Middle Eastern countries and was the ruling party in Syria from 1963 and in Iraq from 1968 to 2003.

The Baʿth Party was founded in 1943 in Damascus, Syria, by Michel ʿAflaq and Ṣalaḥ al-Dīn al-Bīṭār, adopted its constitution in 1947, and in 1953 merged with the Syrian Socialist Party to form the Arab Socialist Baʿth (Renaissance) Party. The Baʿth Party espoused nonalignment and opposition to imperialism and colonialism, took inspiration from what it considered the positive values of Islam, and attempted to ignore or transcend class divisions. Its structure was highly centralized and authoritarian."

Ba th Party Arab political party Britannica.com

 

[montelatici]

I'm willing to bet that Monti will call this video "Zionist Hasbara propaganda'

No Toast, I will just point out that the Mufti wasn't the Mufti in 1913, the year that the period covered by the documentary ends. There has been no debunking. Just a feeble Hasbara attempt at suppressing the facts.

 

[montelatici]

As far as the Mufti, he was a Palestinian patriot who tried, unsuccessfully, to prevent the European colonization of Palestine and the dispossession of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine by the European Jews and their British facilitators. He knew that if the British won the war his people would be expelled from Palestine and/or become subservient to the European colonists. It is exactly what happened. So, how can you fault him for trying to prevent a disaster for his people by supporting the enemies of Britain? Many other leaders of people seeking independence from Britain (or other allied powers) sought support from Germany.

 

[Coyote]

As far as the Mufti, he was a Palestinian patriot who tried, unsuccessfully, to prevent the European colonization of Palestine and the dispossession of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine by the European Jews and their British facilitators. He knew that if the British won the war his people would be expelled from Palestine and/or become subservient to the European colonists. It is exactly what happened. So, how can you fault him for trying to prevent a disaster for his people by supporting the enemies of Britain? Many other leaders of people seeking independence from Britain (or other allied powers) sought support from Germany.

I don't know that "patriot" is the right word.

 

[montelatici]

As far as the Mufti, he was a Palestinian patriot who tried, unsuccessfully, to prevent the European colonization of Palestine and the dispossession of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine by the European Jews and their British facilitators. He knew that if the British won the war his people would be expelled from Palestine and/or become subservient to the European colonists. It is exactly what happened. So, how can you fault him for trying to prevent a disaster for his people by supporting the enemies of Britain? Many other leaders of people seeking independence from Britain (or other allied powers) sought support from Germany.

I don't know that "patriot" is the right word.

What else would you call him? As far as the native americans are concerned, the indian chiefs that supported the French against the English in the 7 year war (French and Indian War), were patriots although they supported the French that wanted to eliminate the English settlers. They sided with the French because the French were enemies of their enemies.

 

[Coyote]

As far as the Mufti, he was a Palestinian patriot who tried, unsuccessfully, to prevent the European colonization of Palestine and the dispossession of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine by the European Jews and their British facilitators. He knew that if the British won the war his people would be expelled from Palestine and/or become subservient to the European colonists. It is exactly what happened. So, how can you fault him for trying to prevent a disaster for his people by supporting the enemies of Britain? Many other leaders of people seeking independence from Britain (or other allied powers) sought support from Germany.

I don't know that "patriot" is the right word.

What else would you call him?

Complicated. But certainly no "patriot" or hero. Racist might be a more accurate term describing what he eventually became.

From the same Wikipedia source:

The Mufti opposed all immigration of Jews into Palestine. The Mufti’s numerous letters appealing to various governmental authorities to prevent Jewish emigration to Palestine have been widely republished and cited as documentary evidence of his collaboration with Nazis and his participative support for their genocidal actions. For instance, Husseini intervened on 13 May 1943, before the meeting with Himmler when he was informed of the Holocaust,[188] with the German Foreign Office to block possible transfers of Jews from Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania, after reports reached him that 4,000 Jewish children accompanied by 500 adults had managed to reach Palestine. He asked that the Foreign Minister "to do his utmost" to block all such proposals and this request was complied with.[189] According to Idith Zertal, none of the documents presented at Eichmann's trial prove that it was the Mufti's interference, in these 'acts of total evil,' that prevented the children's rescue.[190] In June 1943 the Mufti recommended to the Hungarian minister that it would be better to send Jews in Hungary to Concentration Camps in Poland rather than let them find asylum in Palestine. A year later, on 25 July 1944 he wrote to the Hungarian foreign minister to register his objection to the release of certificates for 900 Jewish children and 100 adults for transfer from Hungary, fearing they might end up in Palestine.

In November, 1943 the Mufti said:

It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to … drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries….Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution [endgültige Lösung] for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world. ….[175]

In September 1943, intense negotiations to rescue 500 Jewish children from the Arbe concentration camp collapsed due to the objection of al-Husseini who blocked the children's departure to Turkey because they would end up in Palestine.[194]

 

[montelatici]

I suspect that the Mufti would have been against any people of any religion that intended to displace the Palestinians and create their own state. If the British had made a declaration that Indian Muslims (before the Indian partition) would be transferred to Palestine, he would have acted in the same manner. It had nothing to do with religion, it had to do with people from somewhere else going to Palestine with the intention of removing the people living there to make room for people from somewhere else.

 

[Coyote]

I suspect that the Mufti would have been against any people of any religion that intended to displace the Palestinians and create their own state. If the British had made a declaration that Indian Muslims (before the Indian partition) would be transferred to Palestine, he would have acted in the same manner. It had nothing to do with religion, it had to do with people from somewhere else going to Palestine with the intention of removing the people living there to make room for people from somewhere else.

He turned away children to certain death. I'm trying to figure out how that is in any way admierable.

 

[aris2chat]

In 1913 the Mufti wasn't the Mufti, he was an 16-18 yr old youth of no importance in Ottoman regime. Haj Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Kamil, his half brother, was the mufti then. Kamil died in '21

 

[montelatici]

I suspect that the Mufti would have been against any people of any religion that intended to displace the Palestinians and create their own state. If the British had made a declaration that Indian Muslims (before the Indian partition) would be transferred to Palestine, he would have acted in the same manner. It had nothing to do with religion, it had to do with people from somewhere else going to Palestine with the intention of removing the people living there to make room for people from somewhere else.

He turned away children to certain death. I'm trying to figure out how that is in any way admierable.

Well, you have to consider that accepting Europeans in Palestine was a death sentence for Christian and Muslim children. Which actually happened. It is obviously a dilemma.

 

[Roudy]

As far as the Mufti, he was a Palestinian patriot who tried, unsuccessfully, to prevent the European colonization of Palestine and the dispossession of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine by the European Jews and their British facilitators. He knew that if the British won the war his people would be expelled from Palestine and/or become subservient to the European colonists. It is exactly what happened. So, how can you fault him for trying to prevent a disaster for his people by supporting the enemies of Britain? Many other leaders of people seeking independence from Britain (or other allied powers) sought support from Germany.

Mmmm. A genocidal Nazi who went around inciting the massacre of Jews and Christians throughout the entire Middle East region and beyond is considered a patriot in Monte's book. By that logic then Hitler would have been a patriot too. Just shows how how warped and deranged this guy's thinking is. Funny how all the Palestinian heroes are either Nazis, IslamoNazis, Islamist savages, or genocidal maniacs. Monte's type. LOL

 

[Roudy]

I suspect that the Mufti would have been against any people of any religion that intended to displace the Palestinians and create their own state. If the British had made a declaration that Indian Muslims (before the Indian partition) would be transferred to Palestine, he would have acted in the same manner. It had nothing to do with religion, it had to do with people from somewhere else going to Palestine with the intention of removing the people living there to make room for people from somewhere else.

He turned away children to certain death. I'm trying to figure out how that is in any way admierable.

It's admirable to Monte because those children were Joooos and Jooos deserve to die. But hey, Monte keeps telling us that he "doesn't hate Jews". Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

I suspect that the Mufti would have been against any people of any religion that intended to displace the Palestinians and create their own state. If the British had made a declaration that Indian Muslims (before the Indian partition) would be transferred to Palestine, he would have acted in the same manner. It had nothing to do with religion, it had to do with people from somewhere else going to Palestine with the intention of removing the people living there to make room for people from somewhere else.

He turned away children to certain death. I'm trying to figure out how that is in any way admierable.

Well, you have to consider that accepting Europeans in Palestine was a death sentence for Christian and Muslim children. Which actually happened. It is obviously a dilemma.

What are you blabbering now? He killed tens of thousands of Christians outside of Palestine and he was on record announcing that once he was done killing the entire Jewish population of the Middle East, he was going to do the same to the Christians in the region. Let's hear it for Monte's great "Palestinian patriot".