Hillary Clinton..."The People's Champion"!

[Antares]

Too fucking funny, you cry like a little bitch about our "failed" media then you USE that same media to "prove" your point.

Whatta a maroon you are idiot.

The non Pub Propaganda Machine DOES do SOME journalism and fact checking SOME of the time. Too bad the corrections are on page 9. Fox etc NEVER does any of that, of course.

Why didn't you just say that the ONLY reports that matter or can be true are those YOU approve of or those that support whatever moronic point you are currently trying to make?

The reports that link to the truth, rather than making accusations that turn out to be patently false? Jeez I don't know, hater dupe lol...READ THE LINK, functional shyttehead.

It is your stated"opinion" that EVERYONE, including the NYT is part of this "vast rightwing conspiracy".

No but they are selling out to controversy, money, and hype more and more. And like the rest of the "librul" media, cowards in the face of big money Pubs and loudmouth dupes like you.

Hillary is finished franco.
There is a reason she is "refiling" 5 years worth of Tax Returns.
There is a "reason" that Left wing sources are turning on her.

 

[Antares]

Hillary is a money grubbing 1%'er, but she is YOUR money grubbing 1%'er.

We get it.

Her POLICIES, dipshytte. Wants to raise her own taxes and invest in America, stupid.

I'll bet you believe she REALLY wants to "topple" the 1%.
For a man with two degrees you simply aren't very bright.

Nobody wants to topple the 1%, hater dupe- just more fairness. later

Hillary said it franco, was she lying?

 

[JoeB131]

Name the conservative groups that were charged with committing tax fraud, Joey.

Name the IRS director who was charged with anything. can't have it both ways, guy.

 

[JoeB131]

It doesnt matter. Joe has been repeating that crap at least once a week since the story broke. Of course the groups were never denied. They werent given any answer at all. That was the point.
Joe doesnt care about truth. He lives in a reality all his own.

Actually, a lot of the groups withdrew their applications, some of them filed the correct paperwork.

BUt the fact is, our campaign finance system is a mess, there's too much dark money out there we don't know where it came from or what it is buying. And, yes, that applies to both sides.

 

[JoeB131]

The "system" didn't work at all because we had an Attorney General who could care less about the rule of law and an Administration that promised to be the most transparent of all time and then became the second coming of the Nixon White House.

The system worked just fine. Mrs. Lerner was not criminalized for doing her job.

And frankly, I'm good with that. I think Cap Weinberger and Scooter Libby got railroaded by the process and I'm happy to see it didn't happen here.

 

[JoeB131]

Hillary is finished franco.
There is a reason she is "refiling" 5 years worth of Tax Returns.
There is a "reason" that Left wing sources are turning on her.

Guy, maybe I'm getting old, but I've been hearing how you guys "Had" the Clintons this time for 24 years now.

This is yet another fake scandal that Hate Radio uses to get you folks riled up, but no one else cares that much.

 

[BULLDOG]

Let me get this straight...the best thing you can come up with to accuse the Koch brothers of is wrong doing by their FATHER? Seriously? You're rapidly becoming a joke on this board.

The Koch's got rich on blood money.

The Koch's got rich because they're astute businessmen. You don't have a single thing you can accuse THEM of so you came up with the pathetic theory that they're guilty because their father MAY have done something? You're amusing, Joey.

They were astute enough to be born into a mega rich family that acquired their riches from Nazis. Exactly which part of that did any effort on their part cause?

 

[Oldstyle]

Name the conservative groups that were charged with committing tax fraud, Joey.

Name the IRS director who was charged with anything. can't have it both ways, guy.

You just claimed that Lois Lerner caught conservative groups who were committing tax fraud, Joey...so name them! Either that or admit that you pulled that claim out of your ass.

 

[Oldstyle]

Hillary is finished franco.
There is a reason she is "refiling" 5 years worth of Tax Returns.
There is a "reason" that Left wing sources are turning on her.

Guy, maybe I'm getting old, but I've been hearing how you guys "Had" the Clintons this time for 24 years now.

This is yet another fake scandal that Hate Radio uses to get you folks riled up, but no one else cares that much.

Oh, ANOTHER fake scandal? One scandal after another and they're ALL fake! Gosh, those poor Clinton's...The New York Times has been out to get them! (Eye-roll)

 

[Oldstyle]

Let me get this straight...the best thing you can come up with to accuse the Koch brothers of is wrong doing by their FATHER? Seriously? You're rapidly becoming a joke on this board.

The Koch's got rich on blood money.

The Koch's got rich because they're astute businessmen. You don't have a single thing you can accuse THEM of so you came up with the pathetic theory that they're guilty because their father MAY have done something? You're amusing, Joey.

They were astute enough to be born into a mega rich family that acquired their riches from Nazis. Exactly which part of that did any effort on their part cause?

That's such a crock of shit, Bulldog! Seriously, where do you people get your information from? Fred Koch was an MIT trained engineer who developed a new thermal cracking method to extract gasoline from crude. THAT is what made him wealthy.

 

[JoeB131]

You just claimed that Lois Lerner caught conservative groups who were committing tax fraud, Joey...so name them! Either that or admit that you pulled that claim out of your ass.

Of course they were committing tax fraud. Or do you really think Karl Rove is running a social welfare agency?

 

[JoeB131]

That's such a crock of shit, Bulldog! Seriously, where do you people get your information from? Fred Koch was an MIT trained engineer who developed a new thermal cracking method to extract gasoline from crude. THAT is what made him wealthy.

The Koch Stalin connection Where their wealth started .

The good news in 1929 for young MIT chemical engineer Fred Koch was that he had successfully developed a superior oil refinement process with a business

partner. The bad news is that he had a bitter lesson to learn about his laissez-faire competitors when virtually every major US oil company gobsmacked him with 15 year’s worth of patent infringement lawsuits. The net effect was that one cease-and-desist order after another was issued from the judge’s bench, and until the legal process could sort itself out, Fred Koch was – for all practical purposes – aced out of the US oil market. And the bills still needed to be paid.

So what to do? Fortunately, the Unseen Hand pointed the way to Soviet Moscow, where totalitarian dictator Josef Stalin was rolling out his first Five Year Plan for sweeping industrialization. And he was especially interested in oil engineers.

Fred Koch answered the call, and signed a $5 million deal in 1929 to build 15 refineries in the Soviet Socialistic Republic, thus providing a substantial wet kiss to the cause of worldwide socialism everywhere. Koch and his partner provided equipment and oversaw construction and installation, and quickly became Comrade Stalin’s number one go-to refinery contractor.


Koch Daddy Fred returned to Wichita, KS in 1933 having made $500,000 in profits through his business dealings with Josef Stalin. One might think that he would be graciously inclined towards the Soviet system, given that socialism treated him much better than his own litigious, monopolistic and cudgel-wielding US oil fraternity, but that was not the case. He hated the Soviets.


Not based much on logic or reason, mind you, but he hated them anyway. In 1961, Fred Koch’s pamphlet, “A Businessman Looks at Communism“, lends invaluable insight into Koch’s thinking process on this. Long on alarmist rhetoric, broad, rambling generalizations, and less-than-logical conclusions, this work is unsettlingly reminiscent of Glenn Beck in many ways.



Read more at The Koch Stalin connection Where their wealth started .

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, ANOTHER fake scandal? One scandal after another and they're ALL fake! Gosh, those poor Clinton's...The New York Times has been out to get them! (Eye-roll)

Naw, the NYT is just guilty of passing off shit instead of practicing some discretion.

They are going to have egg all over their faces when real journalists start taking this hit piece apart.

 

[francoHFW]

Hillary is a money grubbing 1%'er, but she is YOUR money grubbing 1%'er.

We get it.

Her POLICIES, dipshytte. Wants to raise her own taxes and invest in America, stupid.

I'll bet you believe she REALLY wants to "topple" the 1%.
For a man with two degrees you simply aren't very bright.

Nobody wants to topple the 1%, hater dupe- just more fairness. later

Hillary said it franco, was she lying?

You are misinformed, of course.

 

[Oldstyle]

You just claimed that Lois Lerner caught conservative groups who were committing tax fraud, Joey...so name them! Either that or admit that you pulled that claim out of your ass.

Of course they were committing tax fraud. Or do you really think Karl Rove is running a social welfare agency?

Yet you can't name a single conservative group that was EVER prosecuted by Lois Lerner's group at the IRS...can you, Joey? How is that possible? Why wasn't Rove brought up on tax fraud charges?

 

[Oldstyle]

Oh, ANOTHER fake scandal? One scandal after another and they're ALL fake! Gosh, those poor Clinton's...The New York Times has been out to get them! (Eye-roll)

Naw, the NYT is just guilty of passing off shit instead of practicing some discretion.

They are going to have egg all over their faces when real journalists start taking this hit piece apart.

It's really amusing when progressives like yourself turn on The New York Times simply because they DARED print something that wasn't pure liberal propaganda.

 

[JoeB131]

Yet you can't name a single conservative group that was EVER prosecuted by Lois Lerner's group at the IRS...can you, Joey? How is that possible? Why wasn't Rove brought up on tax fraud charges?

It wasn't her job to prosecute them. It was her job to determine if they qualified for a tax exemption under a Social Welfare Agency where they didn't have to report who their donors were.

They could have registered as Political Action Committees and told everyone who their donors were, and there wouldn't have been an issue.

So why are you for pumping money into politics without disclosing donors?

 

[JoeB131]

It's really amusing when progressives like yourself turn on The New York Times simply because they DARED print something that wasn't pure liberal propaganda.

Naw, I'm still ticked off at the NYT for printing Judith Miller's bullshit about Saddam's WMD's.

Bush Lied. People Died.

 

[Oldstyle]

Yet you can't name a single conservative group that was EVER prosecuted by Lois Lerner's group at the IRS...can you, Joey? How is that possible? Why wasn't Rove brought up on tax fraud charges?

It wasn't her job to prosecute them. It was her job to determine if they qualified for a tax exemption under a Social Welfare Agency where they didn't have to report who their donors were.

They could have registered as Political Action Committees and told everyone who their donors were, and there wouldn't have been an issue.

So why are you for pumping money into politics without disclosing donors?

You accused them of tax fraud, Joe. Who was it that was guilty of that? Name some names.

Lerner's job SHOULD have been to been to follow the law. The reason that she took the 5th was that she knowingly broke the law. A small group of people in the IRS and the Justice Department decided that the Supreme Court Citizen's United decision was a bad one and that THEY would prevent conservative groups from attaining tax free status and that THEY would leak confidential tax information.

 

[Oldstyle]

One of the reasons that political donors want anonymity is that they fear being singled out for punishment because of their political beliefs. What Lois Lerner did at the IRS is a perfect example of that. Nobody...whether from the Left or the Right should be able to use the power of the IRS to intimidate political opponents. It was wrong when Nixon attempted it back in the 70's and it's still wrong now.