Hello form Turkey

GunnyL said:
I was actually wondering about the disparity between his account that all is well and the fact that the Turkish military has 150,000 troops on the border.

Of course, we COULD learn something from them on that one.


GunnyL... It is nothing special Turkey having 150.000 soldiers immediately behind Iraq-Turkey Borders...

Turkey has 700.000 Soldiers + 150.000 Military Police equipped with armoured Vehicles...

This 150.000 Soldiers in the 3rd Turkish Army are always there stationed. Nothing special to us.
 
canavar said:
GunnyL... It is nothing special Turkey having 150.000 soldiers immediately behind Iraq-Turkey Borders...

Turkey has 700.000 Soldiers + 150.000 Military Police equipped with armoured Vehicles...

This 150.000 Soldiers in the 3rd Turkish Army are always there stationed. Nothing special to us.

Why are they always there, in such large numbers if it's no big deal? I can't think of a single location in the world with that many troops at their boarders, just because. There is obviously a strategic importance behind their placement in that particular area. If this isn't the case, please humor me with an explaination.

And btw, welcome to the board!
 
Said1 said:
Why are they always there, in such large numbers if it's no big deal? I can't think of a single location in the world with that many troops at their boarders, just because. There is obviously a strategic importance behind their placement in that particular area. If this isn't the case, please humor me with an explaination.

And btw, welcome to the board!

Ok, i will try to explain... Iraq (Saddam), Iran, Syria are all not-friendly states to us.

behind Iraq-Turkish Border, we have the 3rd Turkish Army, as it is their Main-Base there... Understand? They are always there.
Not because USA not because someone else. They are there stationed to protect. Nearby, there is the F-16 + F-4 Terminator Airborne stationed...

We are NATO members. We do have to protect our Borders too, as Turkey is the most east NATO-Member...
We are a Fortress for the other NATO-Members especially for European Nations, to prevent Islamism + Communism swap to them...


We are fully-integrated in western World. We are a democracy. The power is by the people.
1996 we had our first female being elected as Primeminister. Even Germany did not have a female Chancelor elected, yet.


We are not afghan-iran-Taliban.
 
canavar said:
Ok, i will try to explain... Iraq (Saddam), Iran, Syria are all not-friendly states to us.

behind Iraq-Turkish Border, we have the 3rd Turkish Army, as it is their Main-Base there... Understand? They are always there.
Not because USA not because someone else. They are there stationed to protect. Nearby, there is the F-16 + F-4 Terminator Airborne stationed...

We are NATO members. We do have to protect our Borders too, as Turkey is the most east NATO-Member...
We are a Fortress for the other NATO-Members especially for European Nations, to prevent Islamism + Communism swap to them...

Like we said, their placement there is "special" AND extremely significant to your homeland defense etc. Your original post to GunnyL downplayed the importance of their location and numbers, when your second post clearly indicates the nessesity of their placement in that region, like we thought. :rolleyes:
 
canavar said:
We are fully-integrated in western World. We are a democracy. The power is by the people.
1996 we had our first female Primeminister. Even Germany did not have a female Chancelor.


We are not afghan-iran-Taliban.

I don't remember even HINTING at anything resembling the above comments AND it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Not that I'm a stickler for staying on topic mind you. :D
 
Said1 said:
I don't remember even HINTING at anything resembling the above comments AND it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Not that I'm a stickler for staying on topic mind you. :D


yo are right, this had nothing to do with the topic. but i thought, i had to mention this letting you better know my country... ok, i will not go off-topic anymore in my future posts.
 
canavar said:
yo are right, this had nothing to do with the topic. but i thought, i had to mention this letting you better know my country... ok, i will not go off-topic anymore in my future posts.


I don't mind if you go off topic, but there are other forums where you can discuss modernization of your country in greater detail. Try the history forum, there are some threads there already.
 
Said1 said:
I don't remember even HINTING at anything resembling the above comments AND it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Not that I'm a stickler for staying on topic mind you. :D

I have to jump on the bandwagon with Said here. We're asking questions, trying to get your perspective, not making accusations.
 
The ME Kurdish issue is a thorny one for the US.

The US is critically dependent on Kurdish support
in Iraq, while at the same time as dependent upon
Turkey as a bulwark of Muslim secular government
in the ME. Kurdish separatism within Turkey has a
potential for alienating both US allies. Yet the issue
is never going to die.

Most Kurds inhabit a contiguous area about the size
of North and South Carolina combined, with a
population of about 30 million. See these links:

http://geo.ya.com/travelimages/az-kurd-map.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/kurdistan1.gif

The Kurds have lived in this area since the beginning
of recorded history. They are not a Turkish, Arab,
(Their language is Indo-European) or Iranian people.
They have resisted assimilation with their neighbors
for at least 2500 years.

The main reason for their continued recent partition
is the fact that giving them their own state within
this contiguous area would involve the partial dismemberment
of three countries: Turkey, Iraq, and Iran- they
would have to somehow overcome a combination
of three overlords to prevail.

Yet all sense of fair play and self-determination
is on the side of the Kurds. If they wish to form
their own state, they should be allowed to do so.

How this will play out short, medium, or long-term
is anybody's guess. My own sympathies lie with
the Kurds, exclusive of their terrorist factions, and
I hope they attain the independence they surely
deserve at some time in the future, with as little
strife as possible.
 
USViking, Thank you for your honest answer...

Now, as i said: Kurds are not homogen... They speak different languages and can not speak to each other...

As i mentioned, in Turkey there live 12 mio Kurds... In turkey there is a Kurdish Party. They always get only 3-5% on elections not more...
Believe it or not, Turkish Kurds do not want to seperate from Turkey...

Many things changed in Turkey. Turkey's GDP-Raise is 9% the last years... And Turkey has the chance to access EU...

Now what is the alternative? Seperating from Turkey, not joining EU, not becoming wealthy? Instead they should join an 3rd World country like Iraq?

This is ridicoulus, and i want you to belive this.

As i said before, the most famous Turkish singers and Artists are Kurds also under the richest Men in Turkey there are Kurds....



You said, Kurds have a history of 2.500 years...
Now, please answer me one question:

How many States have Kurds established in 2.500 years???

NONE


Kurds have lived always with others... And as i mentioned, they fought eachother also... So please do not see Kurds as a one homogen Group... They are not. Turkish Kurds do not want to seperate....


Does the name "Lawrence of arabia" does say anything to you?

Those not-thankfull Arabs betrayed us with him and so the Ottoman Empire crushed...

But Kurds and Turks hold together where the Arabs betrayed us...
So, Kurds + Turks fought together in Worldwar 1 and afterthat....


We are one identity. We in Turkey do not seperate between Turk, Kurd, Bosnia, Turkmen, Azerbayca, Cerkess and so on....
We are one Nation.


But with Iraqi Kurds or syrian Kurds or Iranian Kurds we have nothing common... Further, we do not understand their language...



Look... The country where Kurds live the best is in Turkey... They have rights as every turkish citizen, have wealth, have the chance to join EU, have a strong Military and so on . so on...

Why would Turkish Kurds give this all up? and form an independent 3rd World Country?


Please be honest.
 
deaddude said:
The first thing happened about 80-90years ago, unless canavar is a centigenarian how can you blame him for that.

The second thing based solely on the second site which you posted is contreversial issue, there seem to be two very different accounts of the hows and whys.

The Turkish version has been contradicted officially on many accounts including the U.S.

My point is......Turkey should in no way talk about terrorism, deny us airspace or anything else concerning war or atrocities. Their government through the decades has refused to acknowledge any wrongdoings as the Ottoman Empire when its well known and verified throughout the world the atrocities committed by Turkey....or should I bring some Armenians, Greeks, Bulgarians and Slavs on this board to discuss this further?
 
canavar said:
USViking, Thank you for your honest answer...

Now, as i said: Kurds are not homogen... They speak different languages and can not speak to each other...
I saw this in an earlier post. As recently
as the mid-20th century there were, for
example German dialects nearly unintelligible
to each other, yet this was never a bar
to feelings of national unity there. I expect
the same dialectical situatuion prevails in
many other nations, and I am not sure it
is relevant to the Kurdish situation, if it is
not relevant to the others.




canavar said:
As i mentioned, in Turkey there live 12 mio Kurds... In turkey there is a Kurdish Party. They always get only 3-5% on elections not more...
Believe it or not, Turkish Kurds do not want to seperate from Turkey...
I would not require the Turkish Kurds to separate
without the mandate of a vote. I expect support
for an independent state comprising all the majority
Kurd territory in the ME would, if offered, command
much more than 3-5%.




canavar said:
Many things changed in Turkey. Turkey's GDP-Raise is 9% the last years... And Turkey has the chance to access EU...

Now what is the alternative? Seperating from Turkey, not joining EU, not becoming wealthy? Instead they should join an 3rd World country like Iraq?

This is ridicoulus, and i want you to belive this.

As i said before, the most famous Turkish singers and Artists are Kurds also under the richest Men in Turkey there are Kurds....
I fervently wish for Turkey's prosperty to continue
rising until it reaches parity with its Western allies.

I am not sure why such prosperity would have
to depend on retention of the majority-Kurd areas.




canavar said:
You said, Kurds have a history of 2.500 years...
Now, please answer me one question:

How many States have Kurds established in 2.500 years???

NONE
I am not sure why this is relevant.

Numerous countries have progressed toward modern statehood
after never having had their own states (Ukraine, the Baltics),
or after having been ruled by overlords for centuries (Finland,
Poland, Bengladesh, the Caucasus states), and I do not know
why the Kurds could not do the same.




canavar said:
Kurds have lived always with others... And as i mentioned, they fought eachother also... So please do not see Kurds as a one homogen Group... They are not. Turkish Kurds do not want to seperate....

Does the name "Lawrence of arabia" does say anything to you?

Those not-thankfull Arabs betrayed us with him and so the Ottoman Empire crushed...

But Kurds and Turks hold together where the Arabs betrayed us...
So, Kurds + Turks fought together in Worldwar 1 and afterthat....

We are one identity. We in Turkey do not seperate between Turk, Kurd, Bosnia, Turkmen, Azerbayca, Cerkess and so on....
We are one Nation.

But with Iraqi Kurds or syrian Kurds or Iranian Kurds we have nothing common... Further, we do not understand their language...

Look... The country where Kurds live the best is in Turkey... They have rights as every turkish citizen, have wealth, have the chance to join EU, have a strong Military and so on . so on...

Why would Turkish Kurds give this all up? and form an independent 3rd World Country?

Please be honest.
This has been covered above.
 
OCA said:
canavar said:
Atatürk is the Nationbuilder of Turkey.

Attaturk was a genocidal maniac on even par with Stalin and Hitler. That is a fact.


Greek friend, listen...

Since the earthquakes in Greece + Turkey in 1990s greek+turkish population have sympathys for each other...

It seems, you have only hate on your mind...


But stop with your lies....

Are you crazy Putting Atatürk on the same level with Hitler + Stalin?


Do statesman like Roosevelt + Churchill speak so for a man who is on the same level with Hitler`?



read this carefully:



GAZI MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATÜRK, THE GREATEST STATESMAN

I obtained information concerning Mustafa Kemal from someone who knows him very well. When talking with Foreign Minister Litvinov of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, he said that in his opinion, the most valuable and interesting statesman in all of Europe does not live in Europe today, but beyond the Bosphorus, he lives in Ankara, and that this was the President of the Turkish Republic, Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America



THE GENIUS OF OUR CENTURY

The centuries rarely produce a genius. Look at this bad luck of ours, that great genius of our era was granted to the Turkish nation.

David Lloyd George, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom



"ATA'S DEATH IS A GREAT LOSS"

Atatürk's death is not only a loss for the country, but for Europe is the greatest loss, he who saved Turkey in the war and who revived anew the Turkish nation after the war. The sincere tears shed after him by all classes of people is nothing other than an appropriate manifestation to this great hero and modern Turkey's Ata.

Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom



A LEADER WITH GREAT UNDERSTANDING

Mustafa Kemal was not a socialist. But it can be perceived that he is a good organizer, with great understanding, progressive, with good thoughts and an intelligent leader. He is carrying out a war of independence against those plunderers. I am believing that he will break the pride of the imperialists and that he will beat the Sultan together with his friends. ( 1921 )

Vladimir llyich Lenin, Leader of the Russian Revolution



"HOW CAN I NOT ADMIRE HIM?"

Pasha, how can I not admire you? I established a secular government in France. This government was overthrown by the priests with the help of the Pope's representatives in Paris. While you got rid of the Caliphate and established a secular state in the true sense of the word. Within this fanaticism, how did you make this society accept secularity? The great work of your genius was to create a secular Turkey. (1933)

Edouard Herriot, Former Prime Minister of France



"TURKEY CAN BE PROUD OF ITSELF"

In the life of a nation it is very seldom that changes to such a radical degree were carried out in such a short period of time... Without a doubt, those who have done these extraordinary activities have earned the attributes of a great man in the complete sense of the word. And because of this, Turkey can be proud of itself. (31 October 1933)

Eleutherios Venizelos, Prime Minister of Greece



ARCHITECT OF THE TURKISH UNITY

In connection with the permanent memorial facility for Kemal Atatürk, I take pride in presenting my congratulations to Turkey. Your great country that is advancing on the course that he demonstrated has obtained very significant successes. This ceremony that is being held to commemorate the memory of Atatürk, the architect of progress and Turkish unity, is a very appropriate respect to a person who became a source of inspiration to free peoples throughout the world.

Dwight D. Eisenhower, President of the United States of America



ATATÜRK WAS A SOURCE OF INSPIRATION

The Sakarya Battle, the Sakarya Victory became the strongest recollection when I was twenty. At that time I said to myself, I wonder whether or not I can mobilize my country like this? Can I not instill in his spirit this delivering attack, this unreined passion?

Habib ben Ali Bourguiba, President of Tunisia



FEELINGS OF LOYAL FRIENDSHIP

Because of the 25th year of Atatürk's death, I want to express the feelings of loyal friendship felt for the Turkish nation by the French nation. Today, Turkish history even more than ever is inseparable from Western and European history. Atatürk's efforts in this direction were not left without results. The friendship between our countries that has surpassed hundreds of years, has formed the foundation for this development.

Charles de Gaulle, President of France



THE LEADER OF ALL TIMES

Kemal Atatürk is not only one of the greatest leaders of this century. We in Pakistan see him as one of the greatest men of all times who has lived and died. He is not only the beloved leader of your country. All the Moslems in the world have turned their eyes to him with feelings of love and admiration.

Muhammed Ayub Khan, President of Pakistan



TURKEY UNDER ATATÜRK'S ADMINISTRATION

We are indebted to him for the birth of the first republic in the Near and Middle East. This Republic showed the way for the wars of national freedom for many nations. Under Atatürk's administration, Turkey's international authority advanced and his country started to play an important role in world politics.

Nikita S. Khrushchev, President of the Soviet Union



THE GREAT LEADER OF OUR CENTURY

The name of Atatürk reminds people of the historical successes of one of the great individuals of this century, the leadership that gave inspiration to the Turkish nation, farsightedness in the understanding of the modern world and courage and power as a military leader. It is without a doubt that another example can't be shown indicating greater successes than the birth of the Turkish Republic and ever since then Atatürk's and Turkey's broad and deep reforms undertaken as well as the confidence of a nation in itself.

John F. Kennedy, President of the United States of America



THE BUILDER OF A MODERN AGE

Kemal Atatürk or Kemal Pasha by which name we knew him in those times, was my hero during my youth. I was very moved when I read about his great reforms. I met with great praise the general efforts made by Atatürk on the course of modernizing Turkey. His dynamism, undauntedness and unawareness of fatigue created a great effect on people. He was one of the builders of the modern age in the orient. I continue to be among his greatest admirers.

Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India



HIS WORKS ARE REMEMBERED WITH PRAISE

On 1O November, the entire world and we Germans as well, remember with praise the life and works of a person to whom we are attached with friendship and respect. Atatürk always tried to establish firm ties between Turkey and Europe.

Prof. Ludwig Erhard, Prime Minister of the Federal Republic of Germany



COURAGEOUS AND HEROIC SOLDIER

Fifty years before this we heard the name of Mustafa Kemal as a distinguished Turkish Commander. Later, with the establishment of peace, he got the opportunity to put forth his characteristics as a statesman and as one of the great national leaders, he gained one of the most eminent ranks in history. We remember that courageous and heroic soldier with respect and that statesman, the true father of modern Turkey with praise and gratitude.

Sir Alexander Douglas-Home, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom



ADMIRATION FELT FOR ATA

We feel a great admiration for Atatürk in his efforts towards ensuring the modernization of Turkish society by separating religion and politics from each other and by carrying out the Turkish Language Reforms.

Hayato Ikeda, Prime Minister of Japan



"HE DID NOT PUT HIS WORK INTO DANGER"

I am the child of a generation that knows closely Turkish-German friendship. At an early age I saw a man's heroism's, the services he carried out and the self-sacrifices he undertook for his country. This man was Mustafa Kemal. Today I comprehend even better that this person was a great statesman. He was great, because he used all his courage for his nation, his country to save his homeland at an unlucky moment. He was great, because he directed his nation towards the absolute necessity of adjusting them to the necessities of history. He was great, because he always knew how to defend suitable limits and he did not go beyond the limits that would put his work into danger. Courageousness and his own courageousness was intelligent enough as well to be able to draw the limits.

Kurt G. Kiesinger, Prime Minister of the Federal Republic of Germany



ATATÜRK'S GREATNESS

In our times, it is Atatürk who brought Turkey to its current status as a modern republic with his farsighted and courageous political, social and economic reforms. At the same time, it was also he that prepared the foundation of the modern economy that will ensure today Turkey's attaining the strength to be able to enter the European Economic Community.

Joseph Luns, Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Netherlands



"I AM PROUD OF ATATÜRK"

He was a military-statesman, one of the greatest leaders of our era. He ensured that Turkey got its rightful place among the most advanced nations. Also, he gave the feeling of support and self-confidence to the Turks, that forms the foundation stone of a nation's greatness. I take great pride in being one of Atatürk's loyal friends.

General Douglas MacArthur, Commander-in-Chief of the Far East Forces, U.S.A.





MUSTAFA KEMAL GOT RID OF ALL THE GREEKS

The West and the East came face to face at the second class coastal town of Mudanya on a crooked road covered with dust on the hot Marmara coast. Despite the English flag ship "Iron-Duke's" ash-colored deathly turrets that transported the Allied generals for negotiations with Ismet Pasha, the Westerners had come here to beg for peace, not to ask for peace or to dictate the conditions... These negotiations demonstrate the end of Europe's dominance over Asia, because as everyone knows, Mustafa Kemal got rid of all the Greeks.

Ernest Hemingway, American Journalist and Novelist



THE GREATEST STATESMAN

The most precise measure of a person's worth is to be able to make their friends and enemies accept their superiority in their own field. Thus, Atatürk is one of the geniuses who attained this eminence. As a revolutionary he was triumphant in his cause and created modern Turkey and joined together among the great statesman of our century.

W. Somerset Maugham, English Novelist and Author



LIVING TURKEY

I thought Turkey had died after Sevres. But Turkey is living. besides ever since Mustafa Kemal became the chief, it is living so very actively that all of Lloyd George's efforts, all of his possibilities, when confronted with this strong will to live that defies common sense, there is nothing he can do other than vanish gradually... ( I93O)

Claude Farrere, French (?)



"WE WERE ILLUMINATED WITH HIS LOOK"

When our essence was a spark from which the color was faded out, with his look, we took on the condition of a sun that illuminates and envelops the world.

Ikbal, National Poet of Pakistan



"HE WOULD SEE THE FUTURE"

Atatürk was one of the greatest statesman of everyone who has lived and died throughout history. At no time did he dwell on the period in which he lived, he would see the future and accordingly would carry out a task. Thus, this quality of Atatürk's is the point that separates him from administrators such as Hitler and Mussolini. They were acting in everything that they did by thinking of themselves. Atatürk would act beyond himself by seeing 20-30 years into the future.

Lord Kinross, English Statesman



TO LIVE WITH ATATÜRK

In history very few people have been as beneficial as Atatürk for their country and their people. Hand in hand, from heart to heart, let us live in Atatürk's objectives without deviating to right or left in our beautiful homeland in freedom from anxiety, peace and understanding.

Shnork Kalutsian, Patriarch of the Turkish Armenians



GENIUSES LIKE THESE DON'T DIE

Geniuses like these only appear to die, because in reality, they always live in the intellects of their countries with their works that leave deep and unerasable marks. These people, just as they are not born for one generation, are also not born for a specific period. People like these, by giving the nations the opportunity to benefit continuously from these sources of Godsend blessings, are people who will be sovereign in their nation's histories for hundreds of years.

Teheran Newspaper, Iran



THE GREATEST ATATÜRK

History has seen many great people. It has seen Alexander the Great's, Napoleon's, Washington's. However, in the twentieth century the record for greatness was broken by Atatürk, this Turkish son of a Turk.

L'IIIustration Newspaper, France



TURKEY'S FOUNDING

The world, by no means and at no time, has witnessed such an exciting event as the re-founding of Turkey with a Western point of view and belief.

Social Demokraten Newspaper, Sweden



AN UNIQUE EVENT IN HISTORY

In no other country have women advanced this rapidly. It is truly an unique event in history {or a nation to change to this degree.

Daily Telegraph Newspaper, England
 
canavar said:
OCA said:
Greek friend, listen...

Since the earthquakes in Greece + Turkey in 1990s greek+turkish population have sympathys for each other...

It seems, you have only hate on your mind...


But stop with your lies....

Are you crazy Putting Atatürk on the same level with Hitler + Stalin?


Do statesman like Roosevelt + Churchill speak so for a man who is on the same level with Hitler`?



read this carefully:



GAZI MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATÜRK, THE GREATEST STATESMAN

I obtained information concerning Mustafa Kemal from someone who knows him very well. When talking with Foreign Minister Litvinov of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, he said that in his opinion, the most valuable and interesting statesman in all of Europe does not live in Europe today, but beyond the Bosphorus, he lives in Ankara, and that this was the President of the Turkish Republic, Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America



THE GENIUS OF OUR CENTURY

The centuries rarely produce a genius. Look at this bad luck of ours, that great genius of our era was granted to the Turkish nation.

David Lloyd George, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom



"ATA'S DEATH IS A GREAT LOSS"

Atatürk's death is not only a loss for the country, but for Europe is the greatest loss, he who saved Turkey in the war and who revived anew the Turkish nation after the war. The sincere tears shed after him by all classes of people is nothing other than an appropriate manifestation to this great hero and modern Turkey's Ata.

Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom



A LEADER WITH GREAT UNDERSTANDING

Mustafa Kemal was not a socialist. But it can be perceived that he is a good organizer, with great understanding, progressive, with good thoughts and an intelligent leader. He is carrying out a war of independence against those plunderers. I am believing that he will break the pride of the imperialists and that he will beat the Sultan together with his friends. ( 1921 )

Vladimir llyich Lenin, Leader of the Russian Revolution



"HOW CAN I NOT ADMIRE HIM?"

Pasha, how can I not admire you? I established a secular government in France. This government was overthrown by the priests with the help of the Pope's representatives in Paris. While you got rid of the Caliphate and established a secular state in the true sense of the word. Within this fanaticism, how did you make this society accept secularity? The great work of your genius was to create a secular Turkey. (1933)

Edouard Herriot, Former Prime Minister of France



"TURKEY CAN BE PROUD OF ITSELF"

In the life of a nation it is very seldom that changes to such a radical degree were carried out in such a short period of time... Without a doubt, those who have done these extraordinary activities have earned the attributes of a great man in the complete sense of the word. And because of this, Turkey can be proud of itself. (31 October 1933)

Eleutherios Venizelos, Prime Minister of Greece



ARCHITECT OF THE TURKISH UNITY

In connection with the permanent memorial facility for Kemal Atatürk, I take pride in presenting my congratulations to Turkey. Your great country that is advancing on the course that he demonstrated has obtained very significant successes. This ceremony that is being held to commemorate the memory of Atatürk, the architect of progress and Turkish unity, is a very appropriate respect to a person who became a source of inspiration to free peoples throughout the world.

Dwight D. Eisenhower, President of the United States of America



ATATÜRK WAS A SOURCE OF INSPIRATION

The Sakarya Battle, the Sakarya Victory became the strongest recollection when I was twenty. At that time I said to myself, I wonder whether or not I can mobilize my country like this? Can I not instill in his spirit this delivering attack, this unreined passion?

Habib ben Ali Bourguiba, President of Tunisia



FEELINGS OF LOYAL FRIENDSHIP

Because of the 25th year of Atatürk's death, I want to express the feelings of loyal friendship felt for the Turkish nation by the French nation. Today, Turkish history even more than ever is inseparable from Western and European history. Atatürk's efforts in this direction were not left without results. The friendship between our countries that has surpassed hundreds of years, has formed the foundation for this development.

Charles de Gaulle, President of France



THE LEADER OF ALL TIMES

Kemal Atatürk is not only one of the greatest leaders of this century. We in Pakistan see him as one of the greatest men of all times who has lived and died. He is not only the beloved leader of your country. All the Moslems in the world have turned their eyes to him with feelings of love and admiration.

Muhammed Ayub Khan, President of Pakistan



TURKEY UNDER ATATÜRK'S ADMINISTRATION

We are indebted to him for the birth of the first republic in the Near and Middle East. This Republic showed the way for the wars of national freedom for many nations. Under Atatürk's administration, Turkey's international authority advanced and his country started to play an important role in world politics.

Nikita S. Khrushchev, President of the Soviet Union



THE GREAT LEADER OF OUR CENTURY

The name of Atatürk reminds people of the historical successes of one of the great individuals of this century, the leadership that gave inspiration to the Turkish nation, farsightedness in the understanding of the modern world and courage and power as a military leader. It is without a doubt that another example can't be shown indicating greater successes than the birth of the Turkish Republic and ever since then Atatürk's and Turkey's broad and deep reforms undertaken as well as the confidence of a nation in itself.

John F. Kennedy, President of the United States of America



THE BUILDER OF A MODERN AGE

Kemal Atatürk or Kemal Pasha by which name we knew him in those times, was my hero during my youth. I was very moved when I read about his great reforms. I met with great praise the general efforts made by Atatürk on the course of modernizing Turkey. His dynamism, undauntedness and unawareness of fatigue created a great effect on people. He was one of the builders of the modern age in the orient. I continue to be among his greatest admirers.

Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India



HIS WORKS ARE REMEMBERED WITH PRAISE

On 1O November, the entire world and we Germans as well, remember with praise the life and works of a person to whom we are attached with friendship and respect. Atatürk always tried to establish firm ties between Turkey and Europe.

Prof. Ludwig Erhard, Prime Minister of the Federal Republic of Germany



COURAGEOUS AND HEROIC SOLDIER

Fifty years before this we heard the name of Mustafa Kemal as a distinguished Turkish Commander. Later, with the establishment of peace, he got the opportunity to put forth his characteristics as a statesman and as one of the great national leaders, he gained one of the most eminent ranks in history. We remember that courageous and heroic soldier with respect and that statesman, the true father of modern Turkey with praise and gratitude.

Sir Alexander Douglas-Home, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom



ADMIRATION FELT FOR ATA

We feel a great admiration for Atatürk in his efforts towards ensuring the modernization of Turkish society by separating religion and politics from each other and by carrying out the Turkish Language Reforms.

Hayato Ikeda, Prime Minister of Japan



"HE DID NOT PUT HIS WORK INTO DANGER"

I am the child of a generation that knows closely Turkish-German friendship. At an early age I saw a man's heroism's, the services he carried out and the self-sacrifices he undertook for his country. This man was Mustafa Kemal. Today I comprehend even better that this person was a great statesman. He was great, because he used all his courage for his nation, his country to save his homeland at an unlucky moment. He was great, because he directed his nation towards the absolute necessity of adjusting them to the necessities of history. He was great, because he always knew how to defend suitable limits and he did not go beyond the limits that would put his work into danger. Courageousness and his own courageousness was intelligent enough as well to be able to draw the limits.

Kurt G. Kiesinger, Prime Minister of the Federal Republic of Germany



ATATÜRK'S GREATNESS

In our times, it is Atatürk who brought Turkey to its current status as a modern republic with his farsighted and courageous political, social and economic reforms. At the same time, it was also he that prepared the foundation of the modern economy that will ensure today Turkey's attaining the strength to be able to enter the European Economic Community.

Joseph Luns, Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Netherlands



"I AM PROUD OF ATATÜRK"

He was a military-statesman, one of the greatest leaders of our era. He ensured that Turkey got its rightful place among the most advanced nations. Also, he gave the feeling of support and self-confidence to the Turks, that forms the foundation stone of a nation's greatness. I take great pride in being one of Atatürk's loyal friends.

General Douglas MacArthur, Commander-in-Chief of the Far East Forces, U.S.A.





MUSTAFA KEMAL GOT RID OF ALL THE GREEKS

The West and the East came face to face at the second class coastal town of Mudanya on a crooked road covered with dust on the hot Marmara coast. Despite the English flag ship "Iron-Duke's" ash-colored deathly turrets that transported the Allied generals for negotiations with Ismet Pasha, the Westerners had come here to beg for peace, not to ask for peace or to dictate the conditions... These negotiations demonstrate the end of Europe's dominance over Asia, because as everyone knows, Mustafa Kemal got rid of all the Greeks.

Ernest Hemingway, American Journalist and Novelist



THE GREATEST STATESMAN

The most precise measure of a person's worth is to be able to make their friends and enemies accept their superiority in their own field. Thus, Atatürk is one of the geniuses who attained this eminence. As a revolutionary he was triumphant in his cause and created modern Turkey and joined together among the great statesman of our century.

W. Somerset Maugham, English Novelist and Author



LIVING TURKEY

I thought Turkey had died after Sevres. But Turkey is living. besides ever since Mustafa Kemal became the chief, it is living so very actively that all of Lloyd George's efforts, all of his possibilities, when confronted with this strong will to live that defies common sense, there is nothing he can do other than vanish gradually... ( I93O)

Claude Farrere, French (?)



"WE WERE ILLUMINATED WITH HIS LOOK"

When our essence was a spark from which the color was faded out, with his look, we took on the condition of a sun that illuminates and envelops the world.

Ikbal, National Poet of Pakistan



"HE WOULD SEE THE FUTURE"

Atatürk was one of the greatest statesman of everyone who has lived and died throughout history. At no time did he dwell on the period in which he lived, he would see the future and accordingly would carry out a task. Thus, this quality of Atatürk's is the point that separates him from administrators such as Hitler and Mussolini. They were acting in everything that they did by thinking of themselves. Atatürk would act beyond himself by seeing 20-30 years into the future.

Lord Kinross, English Statesman



TO LIVE WITH ATATÜRK

In history very few people have been as beneficial as Atatürk for their country and their people. Hand in hand, from heart to heart, let us live in Atatürk's objectives without deviating to right or left in our beautiful homeland in freedom from anxiety, peace and understanding.

Shnork Kalutsian, Patriarch of the Turkish Armenians



GENIUSES LIKE THESE DON'T DIE

Geniuses like these only appear to die, because in reality, they always live in the intellects of their countries with their works that leave deep and unerasable marks. These people, just as they are not born for one generation, are also not born for a specific period. People like these, by giving the nations the opportunity to benefit continuously from these sources of Godsend blessings, are people who will be sovereign in their nation's histories for hundreds of years.

Teheran Newspaper, Iran



THE GREATEST ATATÜRK

History has seen many great people. It has seen Alexander the Great's, Napoleon's, Washington's. However, in the twentieth century the record for greatness was broken by Atatürk, this Turkish son of a Turk.

L'IIIustration Newspaper, France



TURKEY'S FOUNDING

The world, by no means and at no time, has witnessed such an exciting event as the re-founding of Turkey with a Western point of view and belief.

Social Demokraten Newspaper, Sweden



AN UNIQUE EVENT IN HISTORY

In no other country have women advanced this rapidly. It is truly an unique event in history {or a nation to change to this degree.

Daily Telegraph Newspaper, England

Venizelos I doubt ever said that, I need that verified because if he ever said that he would have been hung from a tree.

Anyway can you find me a REAL quote from one of the countries where he slaughtered millions? BTW i'm the friend of no Turk.
 
USViking said:
I saw this in an earlier post. As recently
as the mid-20th century there were, for
example German dialects nearly unintelligible
to each other, yet this was never a bar
to feelings of national unity there. I expect
the same dialectical situatuion prevails in
many other nations, and I am not sure it
is relevant to the Kurdish situation, if it is
not relevant to the others.





I would not require the Turkish Kurds to separate
without the mandate of a vote. I expect support
for an independent state comprising all the majority
Kurd territory in the ME would, if offered, command
much more than 3-5%.





I fervently wish for Turkey's prosperty to continue
rising until it reaches parity with its Western allies.

I am not sure why such prosperity would have
to depend on retention of the majority-Kurd areas.





I am not sure why this is relevant.

Numerous countries have progressed toward modern statehood
after never having had their own states (Ukraine, the Baltics),
or after having been ruled by overlords for centuries (Finland,
Poland, Bengladesh, the Caucasus states), and I do not know
why the Kurds could not do the same.





This has been covered above.



USViking...
But Barzani from North-Iraq claims that Turkish City Diyarbakir has to be Capitol from an independent so-called Kurdistan...

Look youself where this city lies...
And remeber this:

In Turkish Constitution it says: Turkey is an undividable country with its Population and its Borders...

TURKEY-W1.gif
 
OCA said:
canavar said:
Venizelos I doubt ever said that, I need that verified because if he ever said that he would have been hung from a tree.

Anyway can you find me a REAL quote from one of the countries where he slaughtered millions? BTW i'm the friend of no Turk.


Not only this my Greek friend, OCA...

Eleuzerios Venizelos, Greek Primeminister, nominated Atatürk as a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize.
http://www.perapalas.com/English/atamiz_en.htm
 
Kemal Ataturk was undoubtedly both a military and political genius
of the highest rank, and the greatly positive part of his legacy was
the creation of a secular and at least semi-Democratic state which
declined to align itself with the Axis in WW2, and which since then
has been a resolute ally of the West.

However, there is no getting around the fact that his administration
killed a million Greeks and a million Armenians, depopulating areas
of people which in the case of the Greeks had been theirs since the
time of Homer, and in the case of the Armenians perhaps even longer.
 
canavar said:
OCA said:
Not only this my Greek friend, OCA...

Eleuzerios Venizelos, Greek Primeminister, nominated Atatürk as a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize.
http://www.perapalas.com/English/atamiz_en.htm


This must be Greek/Turkey history 101...I think you and OCA should sit down over a beer or Coffee on the Island of Cyprus...ya both would probably get along if y'all stopped blaming each other for the "Ottoman Empire" and what happened back about 1934...I am more concerned with the revised edition of the "New Ottoman Empire" circa 2005 fwd!
 

Forum List

Back
Top