Hello form Turkey

[archangel]

Which holy war?

These are Terrorists...

I say, speaking for my nation, nothingelse than: "terrorists have to be killed".. it is strange you talking to me from Holy war...

Man man, you have a strange view of Turkey....


Let me tell you a story, better understanding Turkey...

Do you know what the Caliphate is? It was the leading authority for all muslims in the world... The caliphate was based in Istanbul during the Ottoman empire...
1923 Atatürk shut those Caliphate, shocking all muslims in the world...
Atatürk changed arabic letter with latin letters... and banned most of the Arab influence from turkish nation...



Remember those synagoges blasting in Istanbul? we are victim of Al-Quaida too, fighting them all over the world. And you are asking me whether i am distancing from Holy War... This crazy...

Hizbullah bombing in our land, too.
Zarkawi killing Turks, too.

In Turkey the headscarf is forbidden in parliament, schools and in the state....

we are not arabs, we seperate reliogion from politics... religion is private not statepolitics...

Quit dodging the question...will you denounce the "Holy War"Jihad or not...this is why we are fighting...the Terrorist are in fact Muslim/Islam... a continuation of the old Ottoman Empire....nothing more nothing less! To say you are fighting terrorist and not admitting who they are in reality is dishonest to say the least!

 

[ekrem]

Quit dodging the question...will you denounce the "Holy War"Jihad or not...this is why we are fighting...the Terrorist are in fact Muslim/Islam... a continuation of the old Ottoman Empire....nothing more nothing less! To say you are fighting terrorist and not admitting who they are in reality is dishonest to say the least!

This is really perverted... You can't say islam is a Terror-religion... We are not fighting Islam... We are fighting Terrorists, who abuse the islam for their politics...
Do you mean this serious?

Let me say it a little bit different... Terror has a social dimension, too.
Most it comes from Nations which are 3rd world-countries... This means, they are being rulked by others and so on...

We turks, have never been ruled by any other nation... Why don't you come to turkey for holidays, it would change your view.
In Itanbul there are 8 Synagogues... In Antalya there is a village where Mosque, Church and Synagogues are side by side... and so on..

You do not really know turkey, and i think, i will fail you to convince.
You putting all muslims under general suspicion is badly, but you have to live with it...

 

[ekrem]

What you are now saying is that neither Turkey or Iran are in support of Islam...being that neither are Islamic...and both are fighting the "PKK" which is communist(Socialist) supported Islamists....so you are mad at the US for not taking notice of the obvious? If this is what you are saying...then I would have to agree...so why are y'all not doing something responsible like giving us a signal as to who or what you really support?

where did i say: "Iran not islamic"?
I'm talking of fanatic mullah-state. do you overread this all?

Iran has a 180 degree political system than turkey, because iran is ruled by fanatics, which abuse islam...
In turkey, Headscarfs and so on are all illegal in schools, parliamentary and so on.

 

[archangel]

This is really perverted... You can't say islam is a Terror-religion... We are not fighting Islam... We are fighting Terrorists, who abuse the islam for their politics...
Do you mean this serious?

Let me say it a little bit different... Terror has a social dimension, too.
Most it comes from Nations which are 3rd world-countries... This means, they are being rulked by others and so on...

We turks, have never been ruled by any other nation... Why don't you come to turkey for holidays, it would change your view.
In Itanbul there are 8 Synagogues... In Antalya there is a village where Mosque, Church and Synagogues are side by side... and so on..

You do not really know turkey, and i think, i will fail you to convince.
You putting all muslims under general suspicion is badly, but you have to live with it...

911/The USS Cole/Lebannon on and on all Islam/Muslim terrorists...so if you cannot admit who the enemy is and hide behind "we have churches,synagogs" etc in Turkey...well my friend you definetly did not do a very good job convincing me! And as for going to Turkey for a holiday...sorry not in this day and age...will enjoy my thanksgiving turkey at home!

 

[ekrem]

911/The USS Cole/Lebannon on and on all Islam/Muslim terrorists...so if you cannot admit who the enemy is and hide behind "we have churches,synagogs" etc in Turkey...well my friend you definetly did not do a very good job convincing me! And as for going to Turkey for a holiday...sorry not in this day and age...will enjoy my thanksgiving turkey at home!

One question: is this the general view in this forum, that muslims are terorrists?

If yes, it is wasted time because i can write what i want, you will only read what you want to read.

Now tell me: I'am Turk. I'm Muslim. I seperate Religion from politis, as it is the ideology of our Nationbuilder...
Or how can it be i see Israel as an Ally?

Now tell me further: What have i as a turk to do with "911/The USS Cole/Lebannon"... Please answer me, iy you can.


Turkey is fighting against Terrorism as USA does. USA doesn't fight ISlam... you should cool down...

 

[archangel]

One question: is this the general view in this forum, that muslims are terorrists?

If yes, it is wasted time because i can write what i want, you will only read what you want to read.

Now tell me: I'am Turk. I'm Muslim. I seperate Religion from politis, as it is the ideology of our Nationbuilder...
Or how can it be i see Israel as an Ally?

Now tell me further: What have i as a turk to do with "911/The USS Cole/Lebannon"... Please answer me, iy you can.


Turkey is fighting against Terrorism as USA does. USA doesn't fight ISlam... you should cool down...

You came in here and wanted to know how we felt about the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism...I gave you my opinion...you dodged my main question about where the actual terrorists were from and what their agenda was...I gave you my view....you may not like it but many feel the same as I! Personally I have no knowledge of your involvment in terrorism....however by not admonishing those in your religion only leads one to believe you are cheering from the sidelines!

 

[deaddude]

The general view around here is that while not all muslims are terrorists, all terrorists seem to be muslim.

There are some here who think that Islam as a religion is inherently violent, and that peaceful muslims are not truly following Islam. Ignore them.

 

[dilloduck]

You came in here and wanted to know how we felt about the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism...I gave you my opinion...you dodged my main question about where the actual terrorists were from and what their agenda was...I gave you my view....you may not like it but many feel the same as I! Personally I have no knowledge of your involvment in terrorism....however by not admonishing those in your religion only leads one to believe you are cheering from the sidelines!

I am not ready to condemn every muslim for terrorism and asking him to renounce them before you even listen to all he has to say is asking a bit much.

 

[archangel]

I am not ready to condemn every muslim for terrorism and asking him to renounce them before you even listen to all he has to say is asking a bit much.

reread my comment you posted and answered...I did not ask him to renounce all in his religion...just those who were at fault!

 

[OCA]

Who gives a fuck what this piece of shit Turk thinks?

Fuck Turkey! Death to Turks! Turks are terrorists and fanatical muslims as much as anybody else, don't be fooled into believing otherwise.

http://turkeyhumanrights.fw.bz/Smyrna.htm

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Greek v Turk narr - 1974.htm

 

[deaddude]

reread my comment you posted and answered...I did not ask him to renounce all in his religion...just those who were at fault!

Um reread canavars posts, he did renounce the terrorists, he said that Turkey is fighting the terrorists. What more could you ask for?

 

[OCA]

Um reread canavars posts, he did renounce the terrorists, he said that Turkey is fighting the terrorists. What more could you ask for?

Lol Dead you gonna believe a Turk? They are as trustworthy as a coiled rattlesnake and about as slimy. These people are responsible for some of the worst atrocities of the 20th century outside of the holocaust, and they are now supposed to be the good guys on terrorism? I don't think so.

 

[archangel]

Um reread canavars posts, he did renounce the terrorists, he said that Turkey is fighting the terrorists. What more could you ask for?

That the terrorist cells are primarily...no...are Muslim in religion...the word terrorist does not get to who they are and why they are doing it...sorry dude I am not PC...get right to the point and rather blunt...this is the only way to save yourself...more wishwashe people like y'all and we can kiss our asses goodbye!

 

[deaddude]

Who gives a fuck what this piece of shit Turk thinks?

Fuck Turkey! Death to Turks! Turks are terrorists and fanatical muslims as much as anybody else, don't be fooled into believing otherwise.

http://turkeyhumanrights.fw.bz/Smyrna.htm

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Greek v Turk narr - 1974.htm

The first thing happened about 80-90years ago, unless canavar is a centigenarian how can you blame him for that.

The second thing based solely on the second site which you posted is contreversial issue, there seem to be two very different accounts of the hows and whys.

 

[Merlin1047]

One question: is this the general view in this forum, that muslims are terorrists?

Certainly not all muslims are terrorists. But the fact is, that nearly all terrorists are muslims.

There is a huge difference between our societies and it is highly unlikely that we will ever come to agree on either politics or religion. The best we will ever do is develop a degree of tolerance for each other's views. From where I sit, I believe that the people of the USA have done a far better job of attempting to understand the people of the mideast.

And also in my view, the time for tolerance is over. The USA needs to answer every attack on us with ever increasing ferocity on those who attack us. I have come to believe that the only way to reach a peace with radical terrorist muslims is to kill every damn last one of them. And their goats too.

 

[manu1959]

turkey has been a faithful US alley .... odd that they would not behave that way with respect to iraq ....

 

[dilloduck]

All Turkey and the Middle East has to do is denounce Islam for what it truly is..."A Holy War" religious in nature...it is nothing new..old hat and I for one am really weary of all this BS...y'all have been playing the US against Russia for many many decades...you reap the monetary rewards as you move toward a Islamic world...Not going to happen...pull back and be honest for once!

This is the quote I was referring to.

 

[ekrem]

You came in here and wanted to know how we felt about the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism...I gave you my opinion...you dodged my main question about where the actual terrorists were from and what their agenda was...I gave you my view....you may not like it but many feel the same as I! Personally I have no knowledge of your involvment in terrorism....however by not admonishing those in your religion only leads one to believe you are cheering from the sidelines!

it is your view
let me tell you something about islamists in turkey...

In Germany there lived an radical islamist. His name is Mehmet kaplan... he called his fellowers to murder an contrahent. This is his story in germany.

In turkey this man gave order to bomb with a russian chezna-plane the Atatürk Mauselom. Atatürk is the Nationbuilder of Turkey. 1923 Turkey was established. The Mausolem is 1923 meters from the Parliament away. Every foreign states-guest visit this mausoleom.
On Turkey's 75 Years celebrations all turkish Statesmen were there.
He wanted to bomb the turkish nation from the fundament.
Turkish Intelligence MIT captured those Ismalist-terrorists.

But this Terrorist who wants in Turkey Scharia and not seperating religion from politics is in Germany. Germany for years did not gave this man to turkey... He ran there as free man because germany did not want him give us because they said :" Torture in Turkey" and so on.

But now Germany gave him because EU negotiations will start. We sent him to prison life-long. life-long means life-long in Turkey for Terrorists.

In Turkey islamists have bombed too. The Synagoge and HSBC-Bank have also been bombed.
There died many many people. Most muslim. Istanbul jews died also and they were also like muslim burried with turkish flag.
This was also Al-Qaede.

In Iraq, too. Turkish people are massacred live on video, too. after americans the most. Zarkawi. on one video there was turkish speaking, not arabic.
Terrorists from Istanbul-bombing. USA has captured them. and they will be treated as killing terrorists in turkey. life-long. America would capture anyone it wants in Iraq.

Turkish Republic does not sympathize with Terrorists whether it is religious, communist or seperatistic Terrorism.
In the opposite, turkey fights against terrorism. Where NATO Turkish Soldier take. And they are doing there Job. Took twice Afghanistan-Leadership + Somalia-Leadership.


In 1990s from Incirlik was the flight-zone to the 36 Degree in north-iraq established. In This time Turkey was fighting PKK. Also on Iraqi-Territory.
Before 2003 Turkey had a foreign policy to these regions including military actions against terrorists. Turkey has still soldiers on Iraq-Territory. about 1.500 and heavy miltary material. Turkey has a puffer-zone from iraq to turkey and it is only one frontierGate open in Habur.
Immediately behind that there is the 3rd turkish Army with 150.000 soldiers. Turkey has much more soldiers with american NATO Material but many old Tanks.
In Turkish city Kayseri turkey builds F-16 under Licence.
Americans arrested Turkish Soldiers. Put Them BAGS over the head. In Our view America is friendly NATO-allied Country. Because of this view Turkish soldiers did not fight.


In Turkey it has Top-Agenda that first no Kurdish State
Second Kirkuk not to Kurdish Independence Zone
third Eliminateing PKK

USA is now our Neighbour. If they want they capture everyone including Saddam.
Turkey has no foreign policy to US-controlled IRAQ. But in all other Questions like Afghanistan working together remains.
Since 1 March 2003 Turkeys Foreign+Security Policy towards Iraq doesn't exist.
But we have there vital interests.
Turkey gave USA a list with 150 Leader-Names of PKK. Till Today nobody captured.

Whilst Turkish people whether turk or kurd or tourist are dying through Bombings in Turkey.
Our Army + Intelligence knows everything how much C-4 PKK have, how many PKK-Terrorists sickered from Northern-Iraq into Turkey and how much PKK remain in Northern-Iraq icluding their location.
Our Army hunting PKK-Terrosists for 3 Months again within turkish-borders. It is like past, TV Media everywhere PKK.

But Turkey is not allowed to enter Iraq to kill Terrorists. But North-Iraq is PKKs Operation-center and their camps. Not on Turkish Territory.
We can hunt Terrorists so long we can. We kill 10. 10 come from Northern-Iraq.
Turkish People + Soldiers dying. Turkish Army is Turkish People / Nation.
America has to act. They have all Information which they 100% have.
Turkish Army experienced killing terrorists.

And America is NATO-Allied, together we fight Terrorists worldwide. But in Iraq PKK remains.

 

[dilloduck]

it is your view
let me tell you something about islamists in turkey...

In Germany there lived an radical islamist. His name is Mehmet kaplan... he called his fellowers to murder an contrahent. This is his story in germany.

In turkey this man gave order to bomb with a russian chezna-plane the Atatürk Mauselom. Atatürk is the Nationbuilder of Turkey. 1923 Turkey was established. The Mausolem is 1923 meters from the Parliament away. Every foreign states-guest visit this mausoleom.
On Turkey's 75 Years celebrations all turkish Statesmen were there.
He wanted to bomb the turkish nation from the fundament.
Turkish Intelligence MIT captured those Ismalist-terrorists.

But this Terrorist who wants in Turkey Scharia and not seperating religion from politics is in Germany. Germany for years did not gave this man to turkey... He ran there as free man because germany did not want him give us because they said :" Torture in Turkey" and so on.

But now Germany gave him because EU negotiations will start. We sent him to prison life-long. life-long means life-long in Turkey for Terrorists.

In Turkey islamists have bombed too. The Synagoge and HSBC-Bank have also been bombed.
There died many many people. Most muslim. Istanbul jews died also and they were also like muslim burried with turkish flag.
This was also Al-Qaede.

In Iraq, too. Turkish people are massacred live on video, too. after americans the most. Zarkawi. on one video there was turkish speaking, not arabic.
Terrorists from Istanbul-bombing. USA has captured them. and they will be treated as killing terrorists in turkey. life-long. America would capture anyone it wants in Iraq.

Turkish Republic does not sympathize with Terrorists whether it is religious, communist or seperatistic Terrorism.
In the opposite, turkey fights against terrorism. Where NATO Turkish Soldier take. And they are doing there Job. Took twice Afghanistan-Leadership + Somalia-Leadership.


In 1990s from Incirlik was the flight-zone to the 36 Degree in north-iraq established. In This time Turkey was fighting PKK. Also on Iraqi-Territory.
Before 2003 Turkey had a foreign policy to these regions including military actions against terrorists. Turkey has still soldiers on Iraq-Territory. about 1.500 and heavy miltary material. Turkey has a puffer-zone from iraq to turkey and it is only one frontierGate open in Habur.
Immediately behind that there is the 3rd turkish Army with 150.000 soldiers. Turkey has much more soldiers with american NATO Material but many old Tanks.
In Turkish city Kayseri turkey builds F-16 under Licence.
Americans arrested Turkish Soldiers. Put Them BAGS over the head. In Our view America is friendly NATO-allied Country. Because of this view Turkish soldiers did not fight.


In Turkey it has Top-Agenda that first no Kurdish State
Second Kirkuk not to Kurdish Independence Zone
third Eliminateing PKK

USA is now our Neighbour. If they want they capture everyone including Saddam.
Turkey has no foreign policy to US-controlled IRAQ. But in all other Questions like Afghanistan working together remains.
Since 1 March Turkeys Foreign+Security Policy towards Iraq doesn't exist.
But we have there vital interests.
Turkey gave USA a list with 150 Leader-Names of PKK. Till Today nobody captured.

Whilst Turkish people whether turk or kurd or tourist are dying through Bombings in Turkey.
Our Army + Intelligence knows everything how much C-4 PKK have, how many PKK-Terrorists sickered from Northern-Iraq into Turkey and how much PKK remain in Northern-Iraq icluding their location.
Our Army hunting PKK-Terrosists for 3 Months again within turkish-borders. It is like past, TV Media everywhere PKK.

But Turkey is not allowed to enter Iraq to kill Terrorists. But North-Iraq is PKKs Operation-center and their camps. Not on Turkish Territory.
We can hunt Terrorists so long we can. We kill 10. 10 come from Northern-Iraq.
Turkish People + Soldiers dying. Turkish Army is Turkish People / Nation.
America has to act. They have all Information which they 100% have.
Turkish Army experienced killing terrorists.

And America is NATO-Allied, together we fight Terrorists worldwide. But in Iraq PKK remains.

Thanks for the information----I can see why you are confused--personally I would like to see a whole lot more US troops there with some mighty large bases. Would Turkey be willing to send troops to guard the Iranian or Syrian border?

 

[ekrem]

But Turkeys border with Iran is not the same with Iraq-Iran Border. Turkey is north.
USA not allowing Turkey entering Iraq. General Myers says: "Sovereign Iraq has much to say"

And sovereign Iraq's foreign Minister = Zebari (Kurd) . Kurds have no interests Turkey entering Iraq, whether PKK-Hunting or Zarkawi-hunting in SUNNItes Triangle (Bagdad-Falludscha-Tikrit)

Turkey offered 10.000 experienced Terror-fighting Soldiers to Wolfowitz+Rumsfeld. Kurds pressured to say no.