Hello form Turkey

[GotZoom]

do not misundestand me, syria and Iran are no allies... but through US+Kurdish alliance, turkey is being pushed to these terrorist states...
As i said: we were nearly at war with Syria in 1998... Syria does not respect Turkish Territory... In Syrian TV-Wheatherforecast Turkish Areas are shown as Syrian territory

Our 2nd Army Chief Genral Ilker Basbug said 2 Months ago in Washington:" An atomic Iran not acceptable to Turkey... An Atomic Iran is a threat to turkey"...

And Chinese officials refuse to say the word "Taiwan."

That is Syria's view of the situation, not ours.

 

[ekrem]

Don't you understand? It's too late now. He were forced to ally with people who do not like Turkey. You blew it.

I understand, but i do not understand America tollerating Terrorist organizations fighting against Turkey. You understand?

These Question is not based on Turkeys 1 March decision...
Worldwide Fight on Terror or not?` If not, what the hell are doing Turkish soldiers in Afghanistan and elsewhere?

Are American and british lives are more worth than turkish?
Is the War on Terror nothing else as a double-faced game?

 

[Zhukov]

do not misundestand me, syria and Iran are no allies... but through US+Kurdish alliance, turkey is being pushed to these terrorist states...
As i said: we were nearly at war with Syria in 1998... Syria does not respect Turkish Territory... In Syrian TV-Wheatherforecast Turkish Areas are shown as Syrian territory

Our 2nd Army Chief Genral Ilker Basbug said 2 Months ago in Washington:" An atomic Iran not acceptable to Turkey... An Atomic Iran is a threat to turkey"...

So are you suggesting that Turkey is in danger of gravitating towards countries they despise, and who in turn despise them, in response to the U.S. snubbing Turkey in resposne to Turkey snubbing the U.S.?

That's what you think is going to happen?

I think your politicians will moan and complain and yet do nothing. That's what I think is going to happen. You aren't going to invade Iraq, you aren't going to co-operate with either Syria or Iran, and if we chose to take action against either you will probably continue to sulk in abject dejection.

I've a suggestion. Has Turkey introduced any resolution against Iran's nuclear ambitions? How about resolutions against Syria's domination of Lebanon? How about either state's support for international terrorists? If not, pressure your government to do so.

 

[Zhukov]

I understand, but i do not understand America tollerating Terrorist organizations fighting against Turkey. You understand?

For the same reason we looked the other way during WWII when we knew for a fact that Stalin was a tyrant of the worst kind. Because of its immeadiate convenience. The same situation exists today, if not to the same degree. Ultimately we believe this is the best course of action, the surest and swiftest way to achieve a final peace. Besides, this administration tends to think your tactics with respect to the Kurds are a bit heavy handed.

Are American and british lives are more worth than turkish?

They are to American and British people, yes. Don't fool yourself that such is not the case. People are people. We are primarily sacrificing American lives in Iraq today because we believe it will save more American lives in the future.

 

[ekrem]

So are you suggesting that Turkey is in danger of gravitating towards countries they despise, and who in turn despise them, in response to the U.S. snubbing Turkey in resposne to Turkey snubbing the U.S.?

That's what you think is going to happen?

I think your politicians will moan and complain and yet do nothing. That's what I think is going to happen. You aren't going to invade Iraq, you aren't going to co-operate with either Syria or Iran, and if we chose to take action against either you will probably continue to sulk in abject dejection.

I've a suggestion. Has Turkey introduced any resolution against Iran's nuclear ambitions? How about resolutions against Syria's domination of Lebanon? How about either state's support for international terrorists? If not, pressure your government to do so.

Syrias withdrawal from Lebanon was only possible through turkish negotiations.. American press doesn't wrote this?
Israel doesn't talk with Syria. Everthing Israel wants to say, Turkey does. Israel and Turkey are allies...

Again, our military will not accept an atomic iran... Our 2nd chief army general said this...


I want to say this: turkish nation is impatiently and very aware... in turkish forums you read things like: "buy weapons, teach your family using weapons. the future will become dark " and soon...
I say it again... do not underestimate Turkish military... we won't fight america, but we will cross this border if america doesn't act against PKK...
Politicians have than nothing to say when Army acts... as I said: Turkish nation trusts more the army than politicians... The army knows what is good for turkish mankind...

And our Generals are running crazy... Another General named Hursit Tolon said to General Myers words: "If turkey starts an cross-border operation sovereign Iraq would have say much"....

General Tolon answered: " We won't ask US in security issues."

 

[ekrem]

I say it again, US is loosing turkish nation if they do not act against PKK...

Those fanatic-Mullahs in Tehran are thesedays fighting against PKK on Iranian Territory...
The Iranians want to lick Turkey's a.s by this action... it is an signal to Turkey..

"Look, those Americans aren't fighting PKK whilst we Iranians do...we Iranians are now on turkish side"
For months only such signals come from Teheran to Ankara and on the other side USA is still punishing Turkey and drives a double-standard anti-terror-fight...

 

[Abbey Normal]

Welcome, Canavar.

 

[OCA]

Hello,

introduce first: I'm a turk and are very angry how the bilateral situation between USA and Turkey is.

Turkey participates in the so-called war-on-terrorism around the world. And turkish soldiers are beside american and nato-soldiers worldwide in this war.

Turkeys parliament did not agreed on 1 March 2003 to let US-led Coalition forces use Turkey as Attackground.
This was shoking. nobody expected that this resoolution wouldnt pass the turkish parliament. This resolution failed to pass because of 3 Seator-voices. SO: this resolution failed only because of 3 voices that missed.
Again, this was unexpected.
Turkey then offered Bush to take the the Resolution 2 weeks later again to the parliament. This time the resolution would have passed.
But Bush disagreed and attacked immediately Iraq.

This was the beginnnig of a new Cold-War between Turkey and America.

Turkey and USA are allied Nato-forces. But America arrested around 15 Turkish soldiers in North-Iraq. America treated them as Terrorists, putting them bags over the head and knotted their hands.
The turkish nation is throughout history a militaristic nation, our Nation was build through Generals 80 years ago.
The people are the army....
Pissing on Turkish soldiers means pissing on the turkish nation.


Do not misunderstand me: we are not a dictatorship or so. The turkish army is the most trusted and respected Organisation in Turkey by turkish people. This is fact.

So do not put us in the same corner as the arabs, we are a western-oriented Nation. Turks generally don't like arabs and persians. I had to mention this, because i do not really know how much america is influenced since 9/11 by the Religion Christ.



So, the PKK-war has cost Turkey over 100 billion Dollar to fight. Turkey defeated PKK on turkish territory. PKK is a Terrorist Organisation. An Organisation, which is named Terrorist by the US-Administration, too.
In Turkey there are no PKK-Fighters anymore. PKK fled into North-Iraq. They have there 9 terrorist Camps and there main-camp is on the Kandil-Mountain in North-Iraq...
PKK is sickering again into turkey and bombs everywhere. They captured an Army-Soldier, are bombing in Tourist-regions and so on... Many are dying again, and it harms Turkeys tourist-industry.

Now let me say it clear. America as an Occupation-Force in Iraq is responsible from attacks to turkey from this occupied territory.
More than 2 years Turkey is begging America to bomb this PKK-Terrororganistation. An Organisation which is considered Terrorist by USA, too....
But it comes always the same answer: "We have no capacities to bomb PKK..."

More than 2 Years over, and not only 1 single PKK-Terrorist is killed by american-Forces...
I do not want to discuss why america isn't doing anything against PKK... The Kurds are their new Allies, and Kurds are against bombing PKK... Also the 1 March Parliament decision is responsible for this american behaviour. Rumsfeld said: " Turkey is responsible for dead american Soldiers" in a TV-Show.
Is this a taken revenge by America?


I thought, The world is on fight on terrorism?

Turkey is the second largest Nato-Army... We do not need GIs to do our business... In Europe there is a famous German Turkey-Analyst, Peter Scholl-Latour. This man says: " Turkish Army is in 2 hours in Bagdad"...

We can do the business on our own, but general Myers says: "If turkey wants to do a cross-border Operation, the sovereign Iraq would have say much"... In Other words: America is punishing Turkey for the 1 March decision... I want to ask General Myers, what sovereign Iraq said, as GIs conquered Iraq?


The turkish nation doesn't want to take this american game anymore. Our generals are running crazy.
Imagine this: GIs come from the other side of the world to attack terrorist Iraq... And turkey isn't allowed to cross the border... Although PKK is a recognized Terror-Organisation by America...

This was very dumb. America is loosing turkish nation. a friendship which began with the Korean-war and lasted till 1 March 2003.
In Turkish nation public there is discussed to withdraw all turkish NATO-Forces which are worldwide on fight on terrorism...
Why turkish Soldiers have to risk their lives in Afghanistan to fight Terrorism, when America does't fight anti-turkish Terrorists in Iraq?


America must act. Immediately. Turkish Nation will do everythhing which falls on them. If America isn't willing to fight PKK, turkish army will nevertheless cross this Iraq-border and will peace this region. A region where attacks to turkish territory come. This is no joke. Our Generals are running crazy. PKK-Terrorism is Number one topic in Turkish media an d public.


In the past, i was very pro-American... This changed. I do not see US administration as freinds anymore... The only friend Turkey in this region has is Israel. Israel is our Ally which isn't America anymore.
The turkish-american friendship as it was before 1 March 2003 is over.
We are a vital Nation with an indepedently Foreign Policy...
America is now our border-neighbour, and america does politics against turkish foreign policy. We have become rivals.
Sad, but so it is.

And once more, do not take this wirtings as islamic sh*t. We turks seperate Reliogion and politics. Religion is every mans private thing. But not turkish state's thing. So take these writings as politics.

I am Greek.

How about you guys get the fuck out of Cyprus? Turks are nothing but dogs and terrorist occupiers of a land where they are not wanted nor have any valid reason to be.

This is the truth.

 

[ekrem]

what greeks, man? i didn't even mention this word...

Fanatics are on both sides: Turkish and Greek...

And you seem to be one of them when you welcome me with those words...
Go and discuss Turkish-Greek things elsewhere...

 

[GotZoom]

I am Greek.

How about you guys get the fuck out of Cyprus? Turks are nothing but dogs and terrorist occupiers of a land where they are not wanted nor have any valid reason to be.

This is the truth.

I wondered if anyone was going to mention that.

 

[OCA]

what greeks, man? i didn't even mention this word...

Fanatics are on both sides: Turkish and Greek...

And you seem to be one of them when you welcome me with those words...
Go and discuss Turkish-Greek things elsewhere...

No answer the question skile, why don't you guys get the fuck out of Cyprus? Until you do that you can't seriously address anything else on terrorism or Iraq because of your hypocricy.

 

[ekrem]

Please, do not spam this Topic with OFF-Topic things...
I have an other motivation to write here than flaming with a fanatic greek...


Great Britain and Greece and Turkey are Security-Powers on Cyprus...

Greeks began to massacre turkish people in Cyprus... Turkey protested to Great Britain to act... Graet Britain did not... It was Turkeys Right to act as an Security-Power to Cyprus...

This Invasion was legal by U.N...

But that Turkish army staying in Cyprus after finishing the Job and conquering about 40% of the island is illegal... there you right...

If the greeks didn't massacred Turks, Turkish Army would not have kicked Greeks ass. Understand?


So, what was the choice for Turkey? let things going on in Cyprus? Turks being massacred by Greeks? of Course not...


Last year there was the Annan-Plan by U.N. turkish side of Cyprus accepted the Annan-Plan by Referendum but Greek side did not... Now who is fanatic?

Remember this: Turkish Army will never withdraw from Cyprus until there will be Peace such like a Annan-Plan...


Cyprus has the most militarized Frontier in the world... The frontier goes about 200-300 Km... and turkey has there 40.000 Troops...

We will never let this again happen, Greek massacring Turks...


Froim this Story you can also take similarities to Turkeys PKK-Iraq-Warnings...



And now let me alone, my greek friend OCA...

Do you know that Turkey and greece are nowadays friends? i guess not... just flaming around

 

[OCA]

Please, do not spam this Topic with OFF-Topic things...
I have an other motivation to write here than flaming with a fanatic greek...


Great Britain and Greece and Turkey are Security-Powers on Cyprus...

Greeks began to massacre turkish people in Cyprus... Turkey protested to Great Britain to act... Graet Britain did not... It was Turkeys Right to act as an Security-Power to Cyprus...

This Invasion was legal by U.N...

But that Turkish army staying in Cyprus after finishing the Job is illegal... there you right...


So, what was the choice for Turkey? let things going on in Cyprus? Turks being massacred by Greeks? of Course not...


Last year there was the Annan-Plan by U.N. turkish side of Cyprus accepted the Annan-Plan by Referendum but Greek side did not... Now who is fanatic?

Remember this: Turkish Army will never withdraw from Cyprus until there will be Peace such like a Annan-Plan...


Cyprus has the most militarized Frontier in the world... The frontier goes about 200-300 Km... and turkey has there 40.000 Troops...

We will never let this again happen, Greek massacring Turks...


Froim this Story you can also take similarities to Turkeys PKK-Iraq-Warnings...



And now let me alone...

Habib i'm a mod on this board, i'll decide when its time to leave you alone.

Your lack of a sense of history is amazing! Greeks massacering Turks??????????? The Greeks and the Turks had lived there peacefully for centuries, there were no massacres of Turks by Greeks on Cyprus. In 1974 elections were being held and Kissinger was afraid that the communists would win and by that the Soviets could place ICBM there, he concocted a story of Greek atrocities on the island to get the Turks to invade and disrupt the elections....it worked. All this is well documented and in fact Kissinger just apologized recently for this after documents pertaining to this were declassified. Yet the Turks are still there. Until you leave there you cannot talk about American relations, Iraq or terrorism.

Speaking of massacres does the name Attaturk ring a bell?

 

[archangel]

I say it again, US is loosing turkish nation if they do not act against PKK...

Those fanatic-Mullahs in Tehran are thesedays fighting against PKK on Iranian Territory...
The Iranians want to lick Turkey's a.s by this action... it is an signal to Turkey..

"Look, those Americans aren't fighting PKK whilst we Iranians do...we Iranians are now on turkish side"
For months only such signals come from Teheran to Ankara and on the other side USA is still punishing Turkey and drives a double-standard anti-terror-fight...

What you are now saying is that neither Turkey or Iran are in support of Islam...being that neither are Islamic...and both are fighting the "PKK" which is communist(Socialist) supported Islamists....so you are mad at the US for not taking notice of the obvious? If this is what you are saying...then I would have to agree...so why are y'all not doing something responsible like giving us a signal as to who or what you really support?

 

[ekrem]

What you are now saying is that neither Turkey or Iran are in support of Islam...being that neither are Islamic...and both are fighting the "PKK" which is communist(Socialist) supported Islamists....so you are mad at the US for not taking notice of the obvious? If this is what you are saying...then I would have to agree...so why are y'all not doing something responsible like giving us a signal as to who or what you really support?

what signal should turkey give?
Turkey offered 10.000 terrorfighting skilled Elite soldiers to the sunni triangle...
Turkey took twice leadership in Afghanistan, offering to stock up turkish troops in Afghanistan...

Turkey pushed Syria concerning Lebanon... Turkish Military says: "We will not accept Atomic Iran" in Washington...


USA and BUsh and RICE always taking Turkey as refernce for the whole islamic world... Our President doesn't accept this... Because saying this by USA means Turkey is an islamic State.. which we are not... Islam is a mans private thing, not Turkeys Politic...
Turkish nation does not want the USA say: "Turkey is an islamic model"...



And last but worthy:
Turkey has accepted so long Turks being killed by PKK as punishing by USA...


I do not see Turkey coming towards a step USA... USA has to do this...
We have but USA is still punishing...

Incirlik is open for USA... all the supply to iraq goes over turkey... Turkey has after USA the most people being killed by Zarqawi and so on... Not Great Britain, Turkey... Because Turkey supporting USA...

 

[dilloduck]

what signal should turkey give?
Turkey offered 10.000 terrorfighting skilled Elite soldiers to the sunni triangle...
Turkey took twice leadership in Afghanistan, offering to stock up turkish troops in Afghanistan...

Turkey pushed Syria concerning Lebanon... Turkish Military says: "We will not accept Atomic Iran" in Washington...


USA and BUsh and RICE always taking Turkey as refernce for the whole islamic world... Our President doesn't accept this... Because saying this by USA means Turkey is an islamic State.. which we are not... Islam is a mans private thing, not Turkeys Politic...
Turkish nation does not want the USA say: "Turkey is an islamic model"...



And last but worthy:
Turkey has accepted so long Turks being killed by PKK as punishing by USA...


I do not see Turkey coming towards a step USA... USA has to do this...
We have but USA is still punishing...

Incirlik is open for USA... all the supply to iraq goes over turkey... Turkey has after USA the most people being killed by Zarqawi and so on... Not Great Britain, Turkey... Because Turkey supporting USA...

So are you saying that the ONLY reason that the US is not accepting Turkeys offers of help is too punish Turkey ?

 

[archangel]

what signal should turkey give?
Turkey offered 10.000 terrorfighting skilled Elite soldiers to the sunni triangle...
Turkey took twice leadership in Afghanistan, offering to stock up turkish troops in Afghanistan...

Turkey pushed Syria concerning Lebanon... Turkish Military says: "We will not accept Atomic Iran" in Washington...


USA and BUsh and RICE always taking Turkey as refernce for the whole islamic world... Our President doesn't accept this... Because saying this by USA means Turkey is an islamic State.. which we are not... Islam is a mans private thing, not Turkeys Politic...
Turkish nation does not want the USA say: "Turkey is an islamic model"...



And last but worthy:
Turkey has accepted so long Turks being killed by PKK as punishing by USA...


I do not see Turkey coming towards a step USA... USA has to do this...
We have but USA is still punishing...

Incirlik is open for USA... all the supply to iraq goes over turkey... Turkey has after USA the most people being killed by Zarqawi and so on... Not Great Britain, Turkey... Because Turkey supporting USA...

All Turkey and the Middle East has to do is denounce Islam for what it truly is..."A Holy War" religious in nature...it is nothing new..old hat and I for one am really weary of all this BS...y'all have been playing the US against Russia for many many decades...you reap the monetary rewards as you move toward a Islamic world...Not going to happen...pull back and be honest for once!

 

[ekrem]

All Turkey and the Middle East has to do is denounce Islam for what it truly is..."A Holy War" religious in nature...it is nothing new..old hat and I for one am really weary of all this BS...y'all have been playing the US against Russia for many many decades...you reap the monetary rewards as you move toward a Islamic world...Not going to happen...pull back and be honest for once!

what we? what russia?

Turkey is since is being anti-communistic...

remember Korean-War... Non other Nation in the world had a higher death-rate in an U.N. mission till today....

we lost many many lives for America....


"While the Turks were for a long time fighting against the enemy and dying, the British and Americans were withdrawing. The Turks, who were out of ammunition, affixed their bayonets and attacked the enemy and there ensued a terrible hand to hand combat. The Turks succeeded in withdrawing by continuous combat and by carrying their injured comrades on their backs. They paraded at Pyongyang with their heads held high." - G.G. Martin - British Lieutenant General


"4500 soldiers in the middle of the firing line have known how to create miracle. The sacrifices of the Turks will eternally remain in our minds." - Washington Tribune

"The Turks have shown in Kunuri a heroism worthy of their glorious history. The Turks have gained the admiration of the whole world through their glorious fighting in the battles." - Figaro

"There is no one left who does not know that the Turks, our valuable allies, are hard warriors and that they have accomplished very great feats at the front." - Claude Pepper, U.S. Senator

"The heroic soldiers of a heroic nation, you have saved the Eighth Army and the IX'th Army Crops from encirclement and the 2nd Division from destruction. I came here today to thank you on behalf of the United Nations Army." - General Walton H. Walker, Commander, Eighth Army

"I now understand that the vote I gave in favor of assistance to Turkey was the most fitting vote I gave in my life. Courage, bravery and heroism are the greatest virtues which will sooner or later conquer. In this matter, I know no nation superior to the Turks." - Rose - U.S. Senator

"We owe the escape of thousands of United Nations troops out of a certain encirclement to the heroism of the Turkish soldiers. The Turkish soldiers in Korea have added a new and unforgettable page of honor to the customs and legends of heroism of the Turkish nation." - Emanuel Shinwell - U.K. Minister of Defense

"The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade." - General Douglas MacArthur - United Nations Forces Commander in Chief


http://www.korean-war.com/turkey.html




"Certain Turkish patrols always reported high body counts when they returned from patrols. Headquarters always scoffed at the high numbers, much higher in fact than any other unit, until the Turks decided to bring the enemy bodies back and dump them at headquarters for the body count."

http://historynet.com/mh/blbaptismoffire/index2.html


On US-order to go back, because his brigade was encircled by Chinese, General Yazici said:" Go Back? Why Go Back? Attack we are killing them all."
http://www.koreaheute.de/spez/0602/sp002.htm


so please... we have killed those Communists as you did... we do not have freindship with communists

 

[archangel]

what we? what islam? what russia?

Turkey is since is being anti-communistic...

remember Korean-War... Non other Nation in the world had a higher death-rate in an U.N. mission....

we lost many many lives for America....


"While the Turks were for a long time fighting against the enemy and dying, the British and Americans were withdrawing. The Turks, who were out of ammunition, affixed their bayonets and attacked the enemy and there ensued a terrible hand to hand combat. The Turks succeeded in withdrawing by continuous combat and by carrying their injured comrades on their backs. They paraded at Pyongyang with their heads held high." - G.G. Martin - British Lieutenant General


"4500 soldiers in the middle of the firing line have known how to create miracle. The sacrifices of the Turks will eternally remain in our minds." - Washington Tribune

"The Turks have shown in Kunuri a heroism worthy of their glorious history. The Turks have gained the admiration of the whole world through their glorious fighting in the battles." - Figaro

"There is no one left who does not know that the Turks, our valuable allies, are hard warriors and that they have accomplished very great feats at the front." - Claude Pepper, U.S. Senator

"The heroic soldiers of a heroic nation, you have saved the Eighth Army and the IX'th Army Crops from encirclement and the 2nd Division from destruction. I came here today to thank you on behalf of the United Nations Army." - General Walton H. Walker, Commander, Eighth Army

"I now understand that the vote I gave in favor of assistance to Turkey was the most fitting vote I gave in my life. Courage, bravery and heroism are the greatest virtues which will sooner or later conquer. In this matter, I know no nation superior to the Turks." - Rose - U.S. Senator

"We owe the escape of thousands of United Nations troops out of a certain encirclement to the heroism of the Turkish soldiers. The Turkish soldiers in Korea have added a new and unforgettable page of honor to the customs and legends of heroism of the Turkish nation." - Emanuel Shinwell - U.K. Minister of Defense

"The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade." - General Douglas MacArthur - United Nations Forces Commander in Chief


http://www.korean-war.com/turkey.html




"Certain Turkish patrols always reported high body counts when they returned from patrols. Headquarters always scoffed at the high numbers, much higher in fact than any other unit, until the Turks decided to bring the enemy bodies back and dump them at headquarters for the body count."

http://historynet.com/mh/blbaptismoffire/index2.html


On US-order to go back, because his brigade was encircled by Chinese, General Yazici said:" Go Back? Why Go Back? Attack we are killing them all."
http://www.koreaheute.de/spez/0602/sp002.htm


so please... we have killed those Communists as you did... we do not have freindship with communists

Y'all did a bang up job during the Korean War...and are truly admired for your service...you are talking about the 1950 era...you still did not denounce the Isalmic war which is the cause of all the trouble we... being both nations and others are engaged in at the present time...So will you denounce the "Holy War" Jihad or not....simple question!

 

[ekrem]

Which holy war?

These are Terrorists...

I say, speaking for my nation, nothingelse than: "terrorists have to be killed".. it is strange you talking to me from Holy war...

Man man, you have a strange view of Turkey....


Let me tell you a story, better understanding Turkey...

Do you know what the Caliphate is (Like the Vatican and Pope)? It was the leading authority for all muslims in the world... The caliphate was based in Istanbul during the Ottoman empire...
1923 Atatürk shut those Caliphate, shocking all muslims in the world...
Atatürk changed arabic letter with latin letters... and banned most of the Arab influence from turkish nation...



Remember those synagoges blasting in Istanbul? we are victim of Al-Quaida too, fighting them all over the world. And you are asking me whether i am distancing from Holy War... This crazy...

Hizbullah bombing in our land, too.
Zarkawi killing Turks, too.

In Turkey the headscarf is forbidden in parliament, schools and in the state....

we are not arabs, we seperate reliogion from politics... religion is private not statepolitics...