Have we reached the point where compromise is not achievable?

[martybegan]

Polls on questions like this can be easily manipulated.

Want people to support DACA? "Do you support allowing hard working people to stay in the US legally, who were brought here as young children through no fault of their own?"

Want people to oppose DACA? "Do you support allowing illegal immigrants permanent resident status just because their parents brought them here illegally decades ago?"

It's why you can't put any weight to polls on things like this.

Quote me a poll which asks DACA question in that form or any other form you find biased.

Polling usually releases all questions, exactly how they were asked.

Your blanket "can't trust them because they may ask a question a certain way" is just a form of denial.

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-con..._Jan2018-Refield_RegisteredVoters_Topline.pdf

Do you think that children who were brought into this country illegally by their parents, many of whom are now in their 20s and 30s, should be given a path to U.S. citizenship or should not be entitled to a path to citizenship without first returning home?

This question puts the affirmative first, and tries to explain the situation, thus generating sympathy for the "yes" answer. Also uses the word "children".

What the fuck? The question ACCURATELY describes the situation.

Children is EXACTLY what those people were when they were brought into this country.

I'm sorry you cannot deal with reality that most Americans want to give them path to citizenship.

it's designed to elicit an emotional response and get a supportive answer.

They could have used the word minors, which would have been more neutral.

Bullshit, they were, in most plain language - children

No, minors is the technical term, children is to elicit an emotional response, like calling them "Dreamers".

Stop trying to deny the attempts at emotional manipulation in polls like this, as well as with the media.

 

[danielpalos]

The right wing doesn't care and it cannot be very important, since they believe we can lower taxes. Just Commerce Clause as usual.

Hey moron.....The Commerce Clause cannot raise any money on people who are not documented.

That is what Travel Visas, Work Visas, Student Visa and LEGAL IMMIGRATION are for.

Illegal Immigrants are stealing from your Grandmother on Medicaid, from American Citizens of all walks of life who have to use our Social Safety Net.

And furthermore, if you Bunghole Fucking Jizz Guzzling Libtards want a DAMN WELFARE STATE, you cannot have OPEN BORDERS and People pouring in here and draining our Social Safety Net the second they cross the border.

The money wasted over the years on Illegal Immigrants is enough to give every Citizen a Guaranteed Income and make them a Middle Class Citizen even if they did not work one Fucking Day in their life (Most Liberals)

Market Forces would dictate they flow across the border for Free Welfare and Food Stamps, if they know they aren't going to get deported, and aren't going to get stopped at the border

WTF?

You want FREE SHIT? Quit giving your FREE SHIT away to Foreigners FOR NOTHING!

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics or the law.

Capital doesn't care about social morals, Because they are free.

Capital IS NOT FREE MORON! CAPITAL IS PRODUCED AND TRADED. SOMEONE PRODUCES THE CAPITAL, AND THEN IT IS TRANSFERRED TO SOMEONE ELSE IN EXCHANGE FOR SOMETHING OF VALUE.

Giving Capital to People who are PRODUCING NOTHING is a NET DRAIN of YOUR CAPITAL. IT IS A SOCIALIST - DEFICIT PERPETUALLY INDEBTED STATE DOOMED TO A FINANCIALLY DISASTROUS FUTURE.

If you are going to do that, just Print WORTHLESS FIAT CAPITAL and throw it from the WINDOWS in to the STREETS!

NO One takes you seriously because you have NO FUCKING COMMON SENSE! And you cannot even possibly have been formally educated anywhere with regards to Economics. You are just too idiotic to even know how Economics works, nor Capitalism for that matter.

You want FREE SHIT? Quit giving your FREE SHIT TO ILLEGALS!

You want a WELFARE STATE, make sure you don't BANKRUPT it by Giving Your Social Safety Net Dollars to ILLEGALS who aren't paying in to the system.

If you hate your mother, grandmother, father, and grandfather or CHILDREN who may be using our SOCIAL SAFETY NET and the TAX MONIES THAT FUND IT, then by ALL MEANS, THROW GRANDMA, & LITTLE KIDS OVER THE CLIFF in FAVOR OF ILLEGALS WHO DON'T BELONG HERE AND WHO HATE US ANYWAYS!

FREE SHIT ISN'T a way TO RUN A GOVERNMENT, but if you are going to have a WELFARE STATE, make SURE YOUR WELFARE GOES TO PEOPLE WHO ARE LEGALLY PART OF THE STATE instead of some ILLEGAL LEACHES LOOKING TO STEAL GRANDMA'S FREE SHIT and YOURS!

nobody takes the right wing seriously because they have lousy reading comprehension.

 

[hadit]

McConnell has promised Dem's a straight up and down vote on DACA separate from the budget bill so what are Dem's afraid of? My guess is Dem's know they don't have the votes or the support of the American people to pass a DACA bill on its owns, so they are holding the budget and government hostage to get it.

That's a worthless promise coming from a Republican.

It's as good as the many promises offered by democrats trying to get what they want now in exchange for concessions later.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Or even desired?

Unless Daca is part of a bill the gop must pass, Ryan won't bring it up, unless Trump (aka Miller Sessions) tells him it's ok, and the chances of that are unknown, but very possibly zero.

All this despite supermajorities in polls and the senate wanting a daca fix, and while I'm not sure about polls, a supermaj in the senate want to end this shutdown v, debt limit debate.

Senate to vote Monday on plan to reopen government

Yes. Actually reached it Bush v. Gore, when Democrats held the peaceful transition of Presidential power hostage to their Fascist ideals.

Did you know that prior to that first attempted coup, both Scalia and Ginsberg were each conformed with over 90 votes?

 

[danielpalos]

end the drug war, right wingers; or,

is it true that y'all really are the party of big government spending, and financing.