Harley-Davidson to move some motorcycle production out of U.S. in big Trump-tariff fail

[shockedcanadian]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

No tariff of protection or tax decrease can save a failing business model or product that has lost market. You can't sell horse and buggies and say "we have a tax cut and tariff protection guys, we can't lose!"

Even just a 10% tax at no revenue or is zero.

 

[L.K.Eder]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

No tariff of protection or tax decrease can save a failing business model or product that has lost market. You can't sell horse and buggies and say "we have a tax cut and tariff protection guys, we can't lose!"

Even just a 10% tax at no revenue or is zero.

but you can save the coal industry, lol.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

No tariff of protection or tax decrease can save a failing business model or product that has lost market. You can't sell horse and buggies and say "we have a tax cut and tariff protection guys, we can't lose!"

Even just a 10% tax at no revenue or is zero.

but you can save the coal industry, lol.

That's not even remotely similar. Coal is a resource, it's in demand as long as it can be used. Harley is a consumer product, and a niche one at that.

There are countless nations who use coal, especially the new "clean coal" variety.

 

[asaratis]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

The Harley decision to close the KC plant came before the tariffs. What part of that do you not understand. Their decision had nothing to do with Trump's tariffs.

 

[asaratis]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

No tariff of protection or tax decrease can save a failing business model or product that has lost market. You can't sell horse and buggies and say "we have a tax cut and tariff protection guys, we can't lose!"

Even just a 10% tax at no revenue or is zero.

but you can save the coal industry, lol.

That's not even remotely similar. Coal is a resource, it's in demand as long as it can be used. Harley is a consumer product, and a niche one at that.

There are countless nations who use coal, especially the new "clean coal" variety.

...and we are exporting coal to these coal buying countries....money in the bank.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

The bottom line is Harley has been struggling for a few years and they attempted to pin their struggles on Trump and the willing uninformed lemmings fell for it.

Quite embarrassing

They are admitting the truth. They cannot compete against competitors who make their bikes overseas and do not pay tariffs. More companies will be forced to wrestle with this.

You flunk Economics 101.

Been in business since 1991, I think I got a good enough grasp on economics to manage.
Now get back in your lemming cage.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Local Kansas City Harley union leaders are on the local news saying that they are quite upset with Harley and that Harley is using the tariff situation as an excuse to move jobs to a place where the costs are lower.

So even the democrat Union leaders know the truth.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So then you shouldn't shed a tear when a BMW or Mercedes costs 20% more.

The EU are trade abusers. To them free trade means "free money for us"

How are the EU trade abusers? Please, make a case of why you think this is so.

Tariffs, hidden quotas, general trade barriers often via regulations designed to specifically exempt their own businesses while disqualifying foreign companies.

Emission standards as an example. So, a regulation might come down the pike in a years time, the government will let their domestic companies know "engineer your car accordingly", then, a year later when a new regulation is quickly presented and passed, to save the environment or some other apparent cause "oh, sorry American car company, we have this new standard, you don't meet it currently. Work on your newer models and we will see",

These are old dirty tricks, tricks Americans don't use as you just say "let the market decide" the EU and Canada specially, have central control, THEY are deciding. They just dress it up as "concerned government". It's a racket designed to harm U.S industry.

Such as? You're writing stuff, but you're not showing me anything.

Tariffs.

What are you saying? Are you saying the US had NO tariffs on EU goods going into the US, but the EU had tariffs on US goods? And if so, where's the proof?

Exclusive - EU ready to lift duties on most U.S. goods for trade pact

From Feb 2014

"
Exclusive - EU ready to lift duties on most U.S. goods for trade pact"

"The European Union will offer to lift tariffs on nearly all goods imported from the United States as part of negotiations towards the world’s largest free-trade deal, people familiar with the proposal have told Reuters."

"The European Commission, which handles trade issues for the EU’s 28 member states, will tell the United States how far it is willing to open its markets, while U.S. officials are expected to do the same."

Sounds, to me, like both sides had tariffs on goods from the other. Rather than just one side.

"Firstly, Brussels will offer to drop 96 percent of tariffs on the understanding that Washington reciprocates."

Hidden quotas. Are you suggesting the EU has hidden quotas and the US doesn't?

Regulations. Are you saying the EU has them and the US doesn't?

You're trying to show the EU is bad here. Bad would be the EU doing something the US isn't. Or it's doing all these things and the US isn't.


Emission standards are the same for all companies, regardless of whether they're American or European. If American car companies want to sell in the EU, they have to follow EU rules on emissions.

How's that a dirty trick? The EU doesn't want polluting cars, that somehow is a dirty trick against US car companies because.... because... because US car companies are too lazy.

I was in Hong Kong listening to two guys talking. The English guy was working for a tobacco company that wanted to sell products all around the world.

They had to meet US standards because these were the toughest standards to meet. In order to get their product passed for import into the US they estimated they'd have to spend something like $1 million in order to achieve this.

If they didn't bother with US standards, they could spend a lot, lot less and be able to import into most countries just not the US.

Is this the sort of thing you're talking about?

 

[MordechaiGoodbud]

So then you shouldn't shed a tear when a BMW or Mercedes costs 20% more.

The EU are trade abusers. To them free trade means "free money for us"

The U.S. is a bigger trade-abuser than the European Unions. U.S. has a 132% tariff on imported peanuts, a 350% tariff on imported tobacco, and huge tariffs on textiles.

 

[Political Junky]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

The Harley decision to close the KC plant came before the tariffs. What part of that do you not understand. Their decision had nothing to do with Trump's tariffs.

Harley-Davidson, the iconic American motorcycle brand, will shift some manufacturing overseas in response to the raising of trade barriers on both sides of the Atlantic.

In a filing made Monday with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Wisconsin-based Harley-Davidson disclosed plans to move some of its manufacturing facilities from the Rust Belt to the Old World in the hopes of avoiding higher costs created by new European Union tariffs that target American-made motorcycles, along with other cultural products like whiskey and blue jeans. Those 25 percent tariffs were imposed last week by E.U. officials in response to the Trump administration's decision to place tariffs on steel and aluminum imported from Europe.
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Harley-Davidson Will Shift Manufacturing Overseas To Avoid Tariffs

 

[rightwinger]

It is what you expect when you start a trade war

For Trump to blame Harley for reacting to the new trade environment that he created is childish

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

No tariff of protection or tax decrease can save a failing business model or product that has lost market. You can't sell horse and buggies and say "we have a tax cut and tariff protection guys, we can't lose!"

Even just a 10% tax at no revenue or is zero.

but you can save the coal industry, lol.

That's not even remotely similar. Coal is a resource, it's in demand as long as it can be used. Harley is a consumer product, and a niche one at that.

There are countless nations who use coal, especially the new "clean coal" variety.

There is no such things as a clean coal variety. Coal is coal, what makes it "clean" or not is the plant it is burnt in.

Is there anything you are not wrong about?

 

[Political Junky]

Trump threatens Harley-Davidson: If it moves overseas 'they will be taxed like never before!' 

Trump threatens Harley-Davidson: If it moves operations overseas, 'they will be taxed like never before!'

• President Donald Trump says Harley-Davidson will be "taxed like never before" if it moves production overseas.
• "A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never!" Trump says in a tweet.
• He tweeted a day after Harley said it will move some production overseas due to increased costs from the EU's retaliatory tariffs against the Trump administration's duties on steel and aluminum.

 

[asaratis]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

The Harley decision to close the KC plant came before the tariffs. What part of that do you not understand. Their decision had nothing to do with Trump's tariffs.

Harley-Davidson, the iconic American motorcycle brand, will shift some manufacturing overseas in response to the raising of trade barriers on both sides of the Atlantic.

In a filing made Monday with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Wisconsin-based Harley-Davidson disclosed plans to move some of its manufacturing facilities from the Rust Belt to the Old World in the hopes of avoiding higher costs created by new European Union tariffs that target American-made motorcycles, along with other cultural products like whiskey and blue jeans. Those 25 percent tariffs were imposed last week by E.U. officials in response to the Trump administration's decision to place tariffs on steel and aluminum imported from Europe.
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Harley-Davidson Will Shift Manufacturing Overseas To Avoid Tariffs

Kansas City is not in the Rust Belt.

The decision to close the KC plant was made about 4 months before Trump announced tariffs.

You don't read well, do you.

That is a rhetorical question.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump threatens Harley-Davidson: If it moves overseas 'they will be taxed like never before!'

Trump threatens Harley-Davidson: If it moves operations overseas, 'they will be taxed like never before!'

• President Donald Trump says Harley-Davidson will be "taxed like never before" if it moves production overseas.
• "A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never!" Trump says in a tweet.
• He tweeted a day after Harley said it will move some production overseas due to increased costs from the EU's retaliatory tariffs against the Trump administration's duties on steel and aluminum.

The man truly thinks he is Nero and we should all be bowing before him.

And the fact so many of his sheep bow down to kiss his ass daily just feeds into his delusion


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[asaratis]

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[Brain357]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

The Harley decision to close the KC plant came before the tariffs. What part of that do you not understand. Their decision had nothing to do with Trump's tariffs.

They wasn’t a decision to move production over seas. Trump helped them make that decision.

 

[Thinker101]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

The Harley decision to close the KC plant came before the tariffs. What part of that do you not understand. Their decision had nothing to do with Trump's tariffs.

They wasn’t a decision to move production over seas. Trump helped them make that decision.

Yup, wrong again.
Harley-Davidson to close US factory as sales slide

 

[asaratis]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

The Harley decision to close the KC plant came before the tariffs. What part of that do you not understand. Their decision had nothing to do with Trump's tariffs.

They wasn’t a decision to move production over seas. Trump helped them make that decision.

Yup, wrong again.
Harley-Davidson to close US factory as sales slide

Not that I trust Snopes all the time, but they did get this one right.

Brainiac and Vandalshandle are incapable of understanding TIMELINES.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harley-davidson-steel-tariffs/

 

[Brain357]

The bottom line is these tariffs were supposed to create more jobs. Here is an example of jobs leaving. Tariff fail.

Hey, Brainless! The decision to close the KC Harley plant and build overseas was made before the US tariffs were announced.

Shouldn't the tariffs have saved the jobs? That's the claim of what they do isn't it?

The Harley decision to close the KC plant came before the tariffs. What part of that do you not understand. Their decision had nothing to do with Trump's tariffs.

They wasn’t a decision to move production over seas. Trump helped them make that decision.

Yup, wrong again.
Harley-Davidson to close US factory as sales slide

No mention of moving jobs over seas.

Harley plans to move the plant's operations to its York, Pa., facility, which would eventually add about 450 jobs as part of the consolidation.