Hamas wants peace

[ABikerSailor]

Yeah TS, there is a solution for the ME.

Too bad Moronism isn't it.

 

[Truthspeaker]

Why don't you guys go copy and paste your favorite anti-Mormon links and I will rip them to shreds if you don't believe me.

Why rip mormons? It would be nice to have a few wives! You in the kitchen, you clean the house, you in the bedroom. Wait you don't want to go to the bedroom. OK you cook dinner and you to the bedroom! J/K

That old stigma again?

 

[Truthspeaker]

Yeah TS, there is a solution for the ME.

Too bad Moronism isn't it.

What's your solution

 

[ABikerSailor]

My solution?

Okay...............

No less than 4 Predator drones flying at one time over Gaza. First time a rocket is fired out from there, at least 2 Reaper drones flying, ready to attack.

For every rocket fired, 1 building destroyed.

Eventually, the Palestinians will get tired of having Hamas use them as human shields. Then, when they kick 'em out in the street, put up nothing but Reaper drones equipped with gatling guns (3,000 rounds per minute), and turn them into hamburger.

Then.......

Send in a street crew to clean up the mess with firehoses.

Simple really. Make it deadly to be a terrorist or someone who thinks everyone should think their way.

God likes Variety.

Look at the human race if you don't believe me.

 

[Truthspeaker]

My solution?

Okay...............

No less than 4 Predator drones flying at one time over Gaza. First time a rocket is fired out from there, at least 2 Reaper drones flying, ready to attack.

For every rocket fired, 1 building destroyed.

Eventually, the Palestinians will get tired of having Hamas use them as human shields. Then, when they kick 'em out in the street, put up nothing but Reaper drones equipped with gatling guns (3,000 rounds per minute), and turn them into hamburger.

Then.......

Send in a street crew to clean up the mess with firehoses.

Simple really. Make it deadly to be a terrorist or someone who thinks everyone should think their way.

God likes Variety.

Look at the human race if you don't believe me.

That is a good solution, but not enough leaders have the guts to do it.

The nephites hanged Zemnarihah(The leader of the Gadianton robbers terrorist organization) upon the top of a tall tree. Then cut the tree down to make an example out of him.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You mean.........

Most leaders don't have the stones to do it YET.

 

[Munin]

My solution?

Okay...............

No less than 4 Predator drones flying at one time over Gaza. First time a rocket is fired out from there, at least 2 Reaper drones flying, ready to attack.

For every rocket fired, 1 building destroyed.

Eventually, the Palestinians will get tired of having Hamas use them as human shields. Then, when they kick 'em out in the street, put up nothing but Reaper drones equipped with gatling guns (3,000 rounds per minute), and turn them into hamburger.

Then.......

Send in a street crew to clean up the mess with firehoses.

Yeah sure, but this is similar to what Israel recently did but on a larger scale.

Instead of 1 rocket fired at israel, it are hundreds of rockets fired at Israel.
Instead of 1 payback action each time, it is one big payback action after thousands of rockets fired upon Israel.

And the result is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, palestinians in Gaza that are as tired of Hamas as they are of Israel.

It was a minor scene that took place on Thursday in the heart of Gaza City. But it was a noteworthy one. In front of a closed chicken restaurant not far from the empty culture center, masked men in uniforms were handing out inspirational flyers. "No Peace with the Murderers of our Children," reads one. Another says, "Resist to the Death, Allah Is with You."

situation in the Gaza Strip, which becomes worse by the day, seemed on Thursday not to be driving Palestinians into the arms of the fanatical Hamas propagandists. "Why are you handing out paper instead of bread," a mother with her two daughters called out and hurries on.
For 14 days, Israeli bombs have been falling on the Gaza Strip -- over 700 Palestinians, many of them civilians, have already lost their lives. The Palestinians are just as tired of this war as the Israelis are. If Hamas thought they could unleash a popular uprising, they seem to have erred.

But scenes like the one above, described by a Gaza Strip resident over the phone, is just one element of a reality that is becoming ever clearer. And it is a reality that has relevance to international efforts currently being made to establish a cease-fire in the Middle East: Hamas is currently unable to speak with a single voice.

Gaza Negotiations: The Internal Divisions of Hamas - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

What has happened is that Hamas has loosed its support among the population that it had during the election, as a result Hamas militants are divided. Because a lot of Hamas militants are among the population that got hurt as a result of the orders of their leaders.

But nobody is going to try to kill a man with a gun with their bare hands, the only group that is willing to do so is Fatah and they probably have more support then they could hope for after the elections where Hamas got elected. And Fatah is been hunted down in Gaza, as Hamas is being hunted down in the West Bank.

But to me it seems this is a victory for Israel, because Hamas has lost almost all credibility towards the palestinian people. Israel is still as much hated as before, not much has changed for them (only perception and perception can change rapidly).


I see a good comparison with Lebanon, where initially Hezbollah claimed victory but then when the local population asked them why Hezbollah did this to them they changed their attitude towards Israel. Hezbollah hasn't fired a single rocket at Israel since then (if we can assume that the one rocket that was fired wasn't from them).

It seems that the local population of Gaza is asking a very similar question to Hamas: "Why are you handing out paper instead of bread" (paper = inspirational flyers with texts like "No Peace with the Murderers of our Children," and "Resist to the Death, Allah Is with You.")

 

[editec]

My solution?

Okay...............

No less than 4 Predator drones flying at one time over Gaza. First time a rocket is fired out from there, at least 2 Reaper drones flying, ready to attack.

For every rocket fired, 1 building destroyed.

Eventually, the Palestinians will get tired of having Hamas use them as human shields. Then, when they kick 'em out in the street, put up nothing but Reaper drones equipped with gatling guns (3,000 rounds per minute), and turn them into hamburger.

Then.......

Send in a street crew to clean up the mess with firehoses.

Yeah sure, but this is similar to what Israel recently did but on a larger scale.

Instead of 1 rocket fired at israel, it are hundreds of rockets fired at Israel.
Instead of 1 payback action each time, it is one big payback action after thousands of rockets fired upon Israel.

And the result is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, palestinians in Gaza that are as tired of Hamas as they are of Israel.

It was a minor scene that took place on Thursday in the heart of Gaza City. But it was a noteworthy one. In front of a closed chicken restaurant not far from the empty culture center, masked men in uniforms were handing out inspirational flyers. "No Peace with the Murderers of our Children," reads one. Another says, "Resist to the Death, Allah Is with You."

situation in the Gaza Strip, which becomes worse by the day, seemed on Thursday not to be driving Palestinians into the arms of the fanatical Hamas propagandists. "Why are you handing out paper instead of bread," a mother with her two daughters called out and hurries on.
For 14 days, Israeli bombs have been falling on the Gaza Strip -- over 700 Palestinians, many of them civilians, have already lost their lives. The Palestinians are just as tired of this war as the Israelis are. If Hamas thought they could unleash a popular uprising, they seem to have erred.

But scenes like the one above, described by a Gaza Strip resident over the phone, is just one element of a reality that is becoming ever clearer. And it is a reality that has relevance to international efforts currently being made to establish a cease-fire in the Middle East: Hamas is currently unable to speak with a single voice.

Gaza Negotiations: The Internal Divisions of Hamas - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

What has happened is that Hamas has loosed its support among the population that it had during the election, as a result Hamas militants are divided. Because a lot of Hamas militants are among the population that got hurt as a result of the orders of their leaders.

But nobody is going to try to kill a man with a gun with their bare hands, the only group that is willing to do so is Fatah and they probably have more support then they could hope for after the elections where Hamas got elected. And Fatah is been hunted down in Gaza, as Hamas is being hunted down in the West Bank.

But to me it seems this is a victory for Israel, because Hamas has lost almost all credibility towards the palestinian people. Israel is still as much hated as before, not much has changed for them (only perception and perception can change rapidly).


I see a good comparison with Lebanon, where initially Hezbollah claimed victory but then when the local population asked them why Hezbollah did this to them they changed their attitude towards Israel. Hezbollah hasn't fired a single rocket at Israel since then (if we can assume that the one rocket that was fired wasn't from them).

It seems that the local population of Gaza is asking a very similar question to Hamas: "Why are you handing out paper instead of bread" (paper = inspirational flyers with texts like "No Peace with the Murderers of our Children," and "Resist to the Death, Allah Is with You.")

That's encouraging and believable, too.

I do NOT doubt that HAMAS support is declining among the residents of GAZA.

After all HAMAS gained support not by lobbing rockets but by providing social services to the residents.

Since their rockets brought down a rain of IDF terror, and since the delivery of those social services has declined due to the fighting, one can easily see how HAMAS might find it no longer has the support the average GAZA resident.

 

[Shogun]

You people insisted on the same dumb shit during Civilian Death Fest '06: Lebenon. The FACT remains that neither location is running to israel like some fucking saviour after having tons of bombs dropped on them. hell, a rocket STILL flew after this last game of "fill an arab fish in this concentration camp barrel" so, unless any of you have evidence otherwise, you are nothing less than full of shit.


for real, if your opinion of THIS ****** class were in any way, shape or form REFLECTED in the LAST ****** class to eat shit because of European decisions you'd have to explain to your kids why you helped hitler exterminate all those jews. As it is,Chosen Race indeed.

 

[Munin]

You people insisted on the same dumb shit during Civilian Death Fest '06: Lebenon. The FACT remains that neither location is running to israel like some fucking saviour after having tons of bombs dropped on them. hell, a rocket STILL flew after this last game of "fill an arab fish in this concentration camp barrel" so, unless any of you have evidence otherwise, you are nothing less than full of shit.

No, not many people are dumb enough to expect palestinians to see israel as their savior. But it is a fact that nobody is cheering for Hamas right now and not many people were cheering for Hezbollah after "Civilian Death Fest '06: Lebenon" (as you described it). It is a fact that war has no real winners, because everyone looses. So nobody will cheer at you if you shoot rockets at an enemy and as a result of that half your infrastructure is destroyed and a big number of your people die. In a war you do not look at who wins, but at the party that looses the most.

 

[Shogun]

You people insisted on the same dumb shit during Civilian Death Fest '06: Lebenon. The FACT remains that neither location is running to israel like some fucking saviour after having tons of bombs dropped on them. hell, a rocket STILL flew after this last game of "fill an arab fish in this concentration camp barrel" so, unless any of you have evidence otherwise, you are nothing less than full of shit.

No, not many people are dumb enough to expect palestinians to see israel as their savior. But it is a fact that nobody is cheering for Hamas right now and not many people were cheering for Hezbollah after "Civilian Death Fest '06: Lebenon" (as you described it). It is a fact that war has no real winners, because everyone looses. So nobody will cheer at you if you shoot rockets at an enemy and as a result of that half your infrastructure is destroyed and a big number of your people die. In a war you do not look at who wins, but at the party that looses the most.

You are simply wrong. Here, let ME post some evidence and show you what it looks like to support your assertions..

Hundreds of thousands of Hezbollah supporters protest Lebanese government
Hundreds of thousands of Hezbollah supporters protest Lebanese government - USATODAY.com

Hezbollah supporters watch from the wings
Hezbollah supporters watch from the wings - Times Online


Hezbollah woos crowds at Ashura rally
Wednesday, 7 January 2009
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hezbollah woos crowds at Ashura rally


Why the hell do you people INSIST on posting non-sequters as fact when, clearly, they are not? Do you have ANYTHING that suggests that no one supports hezzbolah after 2006? Or, predictably, is this where I am called a jooooooo hating antisemite for retorting to bullshit with evidence?

 

[Munin]

No, not many people are dumb enough to expect palestinians to see israel as their savior. But it is a fact that nobody is cheering for Hamas right now and not many people were cheering for Hezbollah after "Civilian Death Fest '06: Lebenon" (as you described it). It is a fact that war has no real winners, because everyone looses. So nobody will cheer at you if you shoot rockets at an enemy and as a result of that half your infrastructure is destroyed and a big number of your people die. In a war you do not look at who wins, but at the party that looses the most.

You are simply wrong. Here, let ME post some evidence and show you what it looks like to support your assertions..

Hundreds of thousands of Hezbollah supporters protest Lebanese government
Hundreds of thousands of Hezbollah supporters protest Lebanese government - USATODAY.com

Hezbollah supporters watch from the wings
Hezbollah supporters watch from the wings - Times Online


Hezbollah woos crowds at Ashura rally
Wednesday, 7 January 2009
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hezbollah woos crowds at Ashura rally


Why the hell do you people INSIST on posting non-sequters as fact when, clearly, they are not? Do you have ANYTHING that suggests that no one supports hezzbolah after 2006? Or, predictably, is this where I am called a jooooooo hating antisemite for retorting to bullshit with evidence?[/QUOTE]

"The conflict began when Hezbollah militants purposely fired rockets at Israeli border towns"

Hezbollah has been "peaceful" ever since the 2006 war, we are not suggesting that no one supports hezbollah. We are suggesting that the average people did not support the actions of Hezbollah that started the war in 2006 and that that is one of the reasons that Hezbollah now is been so "quiet" in the recent Gaza conflict.

 

[Shogun]

Dude, I just proved that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Do you think I'm really interested in your reflexive deflection after you've proven what an utter fucking failure you are when it comes to supporting your assertions? WHO THE FUCK are you to suggest what Hezz supporters are thinking? The FACT is that Hezz WAS, and IS, cheered for launching rockets into what is percieved as a canaanized zion. I posted an article FROM THE YEAR 2008, for christs fucking sake.


jesus fucking christ you people will leap through any hoop to rationalize your own bullshit despite evidence.


Jan 7, 2009

He spoke openly about the possibility of a renewed conflict with Israel.
Hezbollah was ready for any aggression and Israel, he said, would pay a heavy price if it decided to attack.
He called on Arab leaders who had made peace with Israel to cut all relations.


What the FUCK do you think these words mean?

 

[Munin]

Dude, I just proved that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Do you think I'm really interested in your reflexive deflection after you've proven what an utter fucking failure you are when it comes to supporting your assertions? WHO THE FUCK are you to suggest what Hezz supporters are thinking? The FACT is that Hezz WAS, and IS, cheered for launching rockets into what is percieved as a canaanized zion. I posted an article FROM THE YEAR 2008, for christs fucking sake.


jesus fucking christ you people will leap through any hoop to rationalize your own bullshit despite evidence.


Jan 7, 2009

He spoke openly about the possibility of a renewed conflict with Israel.
Hezbollah was ready for any aggression and Israel, he said, would pay a heavy price if it decided to attack.
He called on Arab leaders who had made peace with Israel to cut all relations.


What the FUCK do you think these words mean?

Words mean nothing when you don't mean them, their actions during the Gaza conflict spoke for themselves.

 

[Shogun]

Dude, I just proved that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Do you think I'm really interested in your reflexive deflection after you've proven what an utter fucking failure you are when it comes to supporting your assertions? WHO THE FUCK are you to suggest what Hezz supporters are thinking? The FACT is that Hezz WAS, and IS, cheered for launching rockets into what is percieved as a canaanized zion. I posted an article FROM THE YEAR 2008, for christs fucking sake.


jesus fucking christ you people will leap through any hoop to rationalize your own bullshit despite evidence.


Jan 7, 2009

He spoke openly about the possibility of a renewed conflict with Israel.
Hezbollah was ready for any aggression and Israel, he said, would pay a heavy price if it decided to attack.
He called on Arab leaders who had made peace with Israel to cut all relations.


What the FUCK do you think these words mean?

Words mean nothing when you don't mean them, their actions during the Gaza conflict spoke for themselves.

riiiiiiiiight.. because zionists NOW MORE about it than they do...








Sorry, dude.. you fucking FAIL in this thread. You are clearly nothing more than a fluffer for a zionist snuff porn.

 

[Munin]

Dude, I just proved that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Do you think I'm really interested in your reflexive deflection after you've proven what an utter fucking failure you are when it comes to supporting your assertions? WHO THE FUCK are you to suggest what Hezz supporters are thinking? The FACT is that Hezz WAS, and IS, cheered for launching rockets into what is percieved as a canaanized zion. I posted an article FROM THE YEAR 2008, for christs fucking sake.


jesus fucking christ you people will leap through any hoop to rationalize your own bullshit despite evidence.


Jan 7, 2009

He spoke openly about the possibility of a renewed conflict with Israel.
Hezbollah was ready for any aggression and Israel, he said, would pay a heavy price if it decided to attack.
He called on Arab leaders who had made peace with Israel to cut all relations.


What the FUCK do you think these words mean?

Words mean nothing when you don't mean them, their actions during the Gaza conflict spoke for themselves.

riiiiiiiiight.. because zionists NOW MORE about it than they do...








Sorry, dude.. you fucking FAIL in this thread. You are clearly nothing more than a fluffer for a zionist snuff porn.

Hezbollah is in politics (elections 2009), it needs support of lebanese people not support of Hezbollah militants because that they will have anyway.

Hezbollah has been influenced by the war in 2006 although it may have won it from a military perspective, it could not afford to do it all over again (politically).

So far, Mr. Nassrallah is only using his “soft power”. Relying on his prestige and influence among Arab masses, he urged Egyptians to break open the walls of Rafah with their “bare chests”. Whether his prime-time TV address makes a difference is not clear yet, but Hezbollah has a big question in its mind at this moment: Should it join the war and open another front?

While some might find the question easy to answer, Hezbollah strategists and game theorists have their work cut out for them; not joining the war is risky because it would demonstrate that the 2006 war did put an end to Hezbollah’s ability to poke Israel when it wants to relieve Hamas. That would undermine Hezbollah’s entire narrative of victory against Israel in 2006 and show weakness.

At the same time, joining the war isn’t easy. Lebanon is not yet ready for a re-run of July 2006, and Mr. Nassrallah knows that the Israelis would be even more deadly and ruthless this time around. The Lebanese President and the minister of Defense pointedly made the point from the southern border that while we should all vocally protest the Israeli aggression on Gaza, Lebanon is no launching pad for Missiles.

There are other reasons why Hezbollah should think twice before joining Hamas in its fight. The cheap price of oil has put a financial strain on Hezbollah’s main backer Iran. This means that reimbursing people whose houses were destroyed will not be easy this time, let alone replenishing their stocks of expensive missiles.

Also, by joining the war Hezbollah risks postponing Lebanese parliamentary elections scheduled for early 2009. As things stand, Hezbollah and its allies have a decent shot at gaining a majority in the parliament and rolling back last last 3 years of anti-Syrian dominance. Politically, Hezbollah is right where it wants to be at this moment and the last thing it needs is a war that might compromise its internal standing.

So what is a Party of God to do?

Do what Sayyed Hassan is doing: Use strong rhetoric and secretly hope that international and Arab pressure will end the war as soon as possible. If all else fails, provoke the Israelis into doing something stupid in Lebanon and pounce on the opportunity. After all, as they all say: “They started this!"

Hezbollah’s Predicament: To Join or Not to Join? | The Beirut Spring, a Lebanese Blog

 

[Shogun]

a.. BLOG?

BRAVO, dude. fucking BRAV-O.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Explain something to me Shogun......

If Hamas wants peace so bad, why is it that they are always the ones to break the cease fires?

 

[Shogun]

Explain something to me Shogun......

If Hamas wants peace so bad, why is it that they are always the ones to break the cease fires?

because THEY ARE THE ONES LIVING IN THE FUCKING GHETTOFIED HOVELS CUT OFF FROM RESOURCES. let me put YOUR family behind an apartheid wall and cut you off from basic human necessities and see how long it takes for YOU to react violently to me, your prison guard.


But, since you are in a Q&A mood tell me how long after the civil rights era, when we as a nation clarified equal racial state policy, did blacks decide to convey their alienation by burning city blocks of our major cities? How many Missippi blacks came to support the police after their Emmet Till examples stopped allowing white privilage to dominate southern culture?

Tell me, how many Native fucking Americans do YOU remember going peacefully from their land after one European nation sold it to another European nation?

Q&A time is fun, dude. Bring it.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Explain something to me Shogun......

If Hamas wants peace so bad, why is it that they are always the ones to break the cease fires?

because THEY ARE THE ONES LIVING IN THE FUCKING GHETTOFIED HOVELS CUT OFF FROM RESOURCES. let me put YOUR family behind an apartheid wall and cut you off from basic human necessities and see how long it takes for YOU to react violently to me, your prison guard.

Really? Then explain why when the same thing happened to the Jews in 1940 Nazi Germany (that is where the term "ghetto" came from), they didn't resist much?

But, since you are in a Q&A mood tell me how long after the civil rights era, when we as a nation clarified equal racial state policy, did blacks decide to convey their alienation by burning city blocks of our major cities? How many Missippi blacks came to support the police after their Emmet Till examples stopped allowing white privilage to dominate southern culture?

Detroit, 1976 (roughly). It was called "Devil's Night" and was the night before Halloween.

Tell me, how many Native fucking Americans do YOU remember going peacefully from their land after one European nation sold it to another European nation?

Several. One tribe was the Nez Pierce up in the Northwest. After the Battle of Little Big Hole, Chief Joseph said that he would fight no more forever, and marched with his people down the Trail of Tears.

Q&A time is fun, dude. Bring it.

Yeah.....big fun allright!

And.....just out of curiosity, how much do you REALLY know about the Jews? Did you know that they knew astronomy, astrology, ground lenses 3,000 years ago, as well as had a lot of other science?

Go on the web to the Universal Torah Network, and watch the series on the B'nei Noach.

But, just like Fat Albert and Bill Cosby said........

If you're not careful, you just may learn something.