Guys, please educate me on this 2nd Amendment Issue, I'm trying to understand

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    One more time. The militia'a and the 2nd were not there to protect the people from the government of the people. The government controlled the militia's.

    I have no problem with gun control. Safety is here, Bullets there. Sites. Trigger.
     
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    Dear god, so in your mind, the 2nd was there to say that the government was giving itself the right to bear arms, and that right should not be infringed upon (why would any government need to do that especially at that time in history)...or in the entire context of the the bill of rights (which were all negative rights enforced UPON GOVERNMENT ITSELF), as well as the context of the revolution itself was the people standing up to state...doesn't it make infinitely more sense to read the constitution (as it was clearly stated and meant), that the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. This is barely second level thinking, barely. You don't even have to go back a read what the founders wrote and debated about the issue, and what they thought about a free society not existing in place where government has a monopoly of force. Just look at the freaking context. Did the government go and round up all the guns, and empty the armories outside of the government "sanctioned" militias? NO!!

    But if you must actually read what they meant here ya go.
    http://www.pacificwestcom.com/military/
    Militia, Standing Armies, and the Second Amendment - William F. Marina
    http://www.constitution.org/mil/militia_debate_1789.htm
     
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    The Origin of the Chickenhawk Species

    That's because the plutocracy, whose lawyers wrote your anti-democratic Constitution, were stingy, selfish, and unpatriotic. Despite their scribbling prostitutes' scare stories about a military takeover, the real reason for depending on calling up a militia was that they were too cheap to finance a strong military. Because of GreedHead betrayal, thousands of plebeian settlers were slaughtered by Indians.
    President Monroe was frustrated from conquering the Caribbean by the refusal of the rich to finance a navy; President Polk was kept from annexing British Columbia and Alberta by the skinflint Scrooges.
     
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    Again they wrote extensively about the dangers of a standing army, it's not like a standing army was never the cause of a coup or a source of significant oppression to citizens, ITS HAPPENED EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT HISTORY. Not to mention, overbearing use of the military was one of the causes of the revolution...so you can stop making stuff up. I love how people think they can just insert their own storylines into reality, and build a fake world around themselves. And if you don't like the constitution of this country, move to one that you do like. If the constitution is that evil to you, move. Not even saying that to be rude. Hating the entirety of the laws that govern over you is no small matter that's easily ignored. If they were just sooo selfish, that their laws are royally screwing you, move, no one is forcing you to be here.
     
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    What a load of crap.
     
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    Your information on speed limits in incorrect. In many places, it is 75, 80, or no limit at all. Drove with a legal speed limit of 75 miles an hour in Texas just yesterday.
     
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    At least not for more than two years at a time.
     
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    Buttboy for the Bosses

    A pathetic and mindless bootlicking brownnose childishly adores the kleptocrats because he hated his Daddy for not getting rich and spoiling him
     
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    I think we should 302 sage...they do not seem well.
     
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    Some info.....'Bump Stocks' were legal because the definition of a fully auto weapon includes only those weapons designed (with internal mechanics) to be full auto. Those guns have already been banned since 1986. One can obtain an older auto but only with much government oversight and $$$.

    Semi autos fire each time one pulls the trigger with one shot. You cannot hold down the trigger and make it fire during normal use HOWEVER....One can MAKE a semi-auto behave like a full auto just by holding the trigger and forcing the gun in one direction so that the whole gun starts auto firing. The Bump Stock just makes that technique easier to accomplish. Also, a semi-auto is not really made for firing magazine after magazine as there would be barrel/gun heating issues.

    I just saw a video of a guy taking a standard semi-auto rifle, tying a rubber band around the trigger to hold it in place and then having it 'machine gun' until all the rounds were gone. Heck, remember in the old Western movies where a guy could 'fan' a revolver and have it fire bursts?
     
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