Gunfire reported at California veterans home

[saveliberty]

Um, they were designed for use in war.

And, yes, the Second Amendment is about WELL REGULATED MILITIAS.

No dumbass, that is one example of why Americans can rightfully own guns.

 

[saveliberty]

Um.. no.

Most school shooters are not mentally ill.

https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099

Mass shootings by people with serious mental illness represent less than 1% of all yearly gun-related homicides. In contrast, deaths by suicide using firearms account for the majority of yearly gun-related deaths.

• The vast majority of shootings (70%) occurred in either a place of business or an educational environment. • All but two of the shootings were carried out by a single individual. • The shooter committed suicide in 64 (40%) of the cases. • Most incidents (67%) ended before police even arrived and could engage the perpetrator. • Of the 160 incidents, 64 (40%) qualified as mass murder. • Only 6 (3.8%) of the 160 cases involved a female perpetrator

Let me assist you there dumbass, most shootings occur in gun-free zones.

From your own source moron:

The motives of mass murderers typically involve the desire to kill as many as possible; such a motive does not limit a perpetrator to a particular means (e.g., guns, bombs, arson).

Little research exists that would serve to better inform mental health professionals or law enforcement regarding the problems that lead individuals to commit mass murder.

Factors common among individuals who commit mass murder include extreme feelings of anger and revenge, the lack of an accomplice (when the perpetrator is an adult), feelings of social alienation, and planning well in advance of the offense. Many mass murderers do not plan to survive their own attacks and intend to commit suicide or to be killed by police after committing their assaults. However, in a detailed case study of five mass murderers who did survive, a number of common traits and historical factors were found. The subjects had all been bullied or isolated during childhood and subsequently became loners who felt despair over their social alienation. . Their worldview suggested a paranoid mind-set; they believed others to be generally rejecting and uncaring. As a result, they spent a great deal of time feeling resentful and ruminating on past humiliations.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

So...you can't explain how more Americans now own and carry guns and our gun crime rates went down....care to try again...?We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...Criminals don't join the NRA....-- gun murder down 49%--gun crime down 75%--violent crime down 72%Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public UnawareCompared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

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Once again, a crazed, hyper-partisan gun freak spouting cherry picked figures that align to the NRA cult. He cannot and will not discuss the topic, he is absolutely incapable of independent thought outside the NRA demagoguery. People have had it with the NRA and their thralls. The time now is for action against the NRA and their bloody gun syncopates.
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Over 5 million members and growing no people have not had it with the NRA only Constitutional rights hating people like yourself have an issue with the group.
Anti-Gun Media Campaign Backfires..Instead Drives Up NRA Membership

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

AR-15s are not military weapons....have never been used by the military....and all the other semi auto rifles and shotguns are not military weapons...they are civilian weapons...

And the cute thing is....military weapons are actuallly the weapons protected by the 2nd Amendment, moron. Check out the actual Supreme Court rulings Heller, Caetano, Miller....

Um, they were designed for use in war.

And, yes, the Second Amendment is about WELL REGULATED MILITIAS.

Then that makes the 1st Amendment about religious rights. .

 

[waltky]

The supplemental cost of war...

Shooter Saw Vets Program as Path to Heal After Deployment
11 Mar 2018 - When Albert Wong returned from an Army deployment in Afghanistan in 2013, he knew it had affected him. He had trouble adjusting to regular life, couldn't sleep at night and was hyper-vigilant about his surroundings.

But when he found a treatment program for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or traumatic brain injuries, he saw it as a way to get help and readjust to civilian life until he was recently expelled, said Cissy Sherr, who was his legal guardian and raised him for several years as a child. On Friday, police said Wong slipped into a going-away party at the program, The Pathway Home, and took three employees hostage. After an hours-long standoff, Wong and three female workers were all found dead. As a child, Wong had always dreamed of joining the Army, said Sherr, who began caring for him when he was six after his father died and his mother developed medical issues. "He had a lot of role models in the Army," Sherr said Saturday in an interview with The Associated Press. "He was patriotic and he wanted to do that forever." Sherr and her husband raised Wong for several years, enrolled him in Catholic school and signed him up for baseball, basketball and track teams. Together, they traveled to Florida, Hawaii and Boston, where he experienced snow for the first time. "He was a pretty happy-go-lucky kid," Sherr said. "He always had a smile on his face."

When Wong became a teenager and Sherr and her husband worked full-time, they decided to put him in foster care. He stayed with a foster father in San Francisco who had other teenage boys and he attended high school near San Francisco. Wong served in the Army Reserve from 1998 until 2002, enlisted for active duty in May 2010 and was deployed to Afghanistan in April 2011, according to military records. He was a decorated soldier and received the Expert Marksmanship Badge. But that also meant Wong was tasked with dangerous assignments, where he saw "really horrible things" that affected his mental well-being, Sherr said. He sometimes called her before he'd go on a mission, when Army officials told the soldiers to call their families. "I had the impression he was kind of put in harm's way, knowing that he didn't have a family," she said. "He didn't seem the least bit resentful." Sherr said after Wong was honorably discharged from the Army in 2013, he planned to enroll in school and earn a degree in computer programming and business. "He loved computers and he liked music. He was thoughtful and independent," Sherr said. "He didn't have a traditional upbringing but still he became a fine young man."

A man passes by damaged windows at the Veterans Home of California in Yountville on March 10.​

Wong, who had a passion for working out at the gym, would often bring his ailing mother her favorite foods and spent a lot of time with her before she died last year, Sherr said. But PTSD affected his ability to adjust to everyday life, Sherr said. He had trouble sleeping and was always wary of his surroundings. "I think he realized that it started to catch up with him," she said. "A couple of years ago, he told us if a door opens unexpectedly, I ask, 'What is that?'" Wong told Sherr he had found a program at the veterans home in Yountville, California, and had met people who helped him enroll in a treatment program. He was also receiving assistance at a veterans hospital in San Francisco, she said. He told Sherr: "I think I'm going to get a lot of help from this program," she said, seeing the program as a possible path to recovery with other veterans in a similar position. Officials have declined to provide additional information about why Wong was thrown out of the group.

But they say the former Army rifleman went to the center about 50 miles (85 kilometers) north of San Francisco Friday morning before exchanging gunfire with police and holding the women hostage in a room inside the center. The victims were identified as Executive Director Christine Loeber, 48; Clinical Director Jennifer Golick, 42; and Jennifer Gonzales Shushereba, 32, a clinical psychologist with the San Francisco Department of Veterans Affairs Healthcare System. After the shooting, John Dunbar, the mayor of Yountville and a member of The Pathway Home's board of directors, said Wong was "one of our heroes who clearly had demons." The shooting has left Sherr with more questions than answers. Chief among them: Why did it happen and could more have been done to help Wong? "In less than a year -- less than half a year -- things started to unravel," she said. "He may have been without any resources to support him."

Shooter Saw Vets Program as Path to Heal After Deployment

 

[JoeB131]

No dumbass, that is one example of why Americans can rightfully own guns.

Because 230 years ago, people who never heard of indoor plumbing thought they should own squirrel guns? That's just kind of crazy.

The motives of mass murderers typically involve the desire to kill as many as possible; such a motive does not limit a perpetrator to a particular means (e.g., guns, bombs, arson).

Exactly. But a gun makes it a lot easier to do than lighting a fire or making a bomb....

 

[JoeB131]

Over 5 million members and growing no people have not had it with the NRA only Constitutional rights hating people like yourself have an issue with the group.

Why should 300 million of us be held hostage to 5 million fanatics compensating for tiny peckers?

Here's why you guys are going to lose on this issue. Big corporations- the people who really run things in this country- are realizing that your fetish is costing them a lot of money.

Security fences, cameras, guards, key-card locked doors, active shooter drills, lost time due to gun injuries... at a certain point, they look at the 270 Billion in economic losses and are saying "enough".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

2A is the only thing constraining the Fascist actions of Progressive politicians

 

[saveliberty]

No dumbass, that is one example of why Americans can rightfully own guns.

Because 230 years ago, people who never heard of indoor plumbing thought they should own squirrel guns? That's just kind of crazy.

The motives of mass murderers typically involve the desire to kill as many as possible; such a motive does not limit a perpetrator to a particular means (e.g., guns, bombs, arson).

Exactly. But a gun makes it a lot easier to do than lighting a fire or making a bomb....

Defense of one's property and family has NEVER been off the table since the invention of the gun moron.

What is your complete defense moron? The ease and convenience of a firearm? Renting a truck and mowing people down is at least as easy. I await your condemnation of motor vehicles.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Over 5 million members and growing no people have not had it with the NRA only Constitutional rights hating people like yourself have an issue with the group.

Why should 300 million of us be held hostage to 5 million fanatics compensating for tiny peckers?

Here's why you guys are going to lose on this issue. Big corporations- the people who really run things in this country- are realizing that your fetish is costing them a lot of money.

Security fences, cameras, guards, key-card locked doors, active shooter drills, lost time due to gun injuries... at a certain point, they look at the 270 Billion in economic losses and are saying "enough".

I've owned firearms since the age of 5 it's not about dicks size its the Constitution stupid. There are somewhere between 45-55 million gun owners in the USA and those numbers increases every year , companies will not fuck with that sort of economic buying power. I would like to know where you got 270 billion dollars from because those numbers smell like they were pulled from someones fourth point of contact ?

 

[JoeB131]

Defense of one's property and family has NEVER been off the table since the invention of the gun moron.

a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

I've owned firearms since the age of 5 it's not about dicks size its the Constitution stupid. There are somewhere between 45-55 million gun owners in the USA and those numbers increases every year ,

actually, that's not true. Gun ownership is actually declining.

The gun industry understands this. Less people are murdering animals for fun and more people are realizing the danger of a gun in the home. So much like the Alcohol industry markets it products to drunks. the gun industry is marketing to gun fetishists.

companies will not fuck with that sort of economic buying power.

Really, so all these companies cutting ties with the National Rampage Association is what?

I would like to know where you got 270 billion dollars from because those numbers smell like they were pulled from someones fourth point of contact ?

Well, here's the Business Insider, those bunch of Communists. They put the number at $229 Billion.

A breakdown of the $229 billion gun violence tab that American taxpayers are paying every year

 

[Marion Morrison]

Don't worry, the people they'll send to disarm you will have much better weapons, and your neighbors will rejoice because you were probably scaring them.

And there it is! JoeB131 's fantasy of door-to-door gun confiscation on display!


He creams his jeans thinking about it.

Not likely to happen. Ever.

 

[JoeB131]

And there it is! JoeB131 's fantasy of door-to-door gun confiscation on display!


He creams his jeans thinking about it.

Not likely to happen. Ever.

Funny, I remember when you nuts used to say gay marriage would never happen.

 

[waltky]

Shooter shot himself After Killing 3 Mental Health Workers...

Sheriff: Veteran Shot Self After Killing 3 Mental Health Workers
16 Mar 2018 — A combat veteran killed himself after fatally shooting three mental health workers last week at a California veterans home, authorities said Thursday.

The Napa County Sheriff's Office said Albert Wong, 36, shot the three workers in the head with a rifle at the California Veterans Home in Yountville. The sheriff didn't release the type of rifle used. The sheriff also serves as the county's coroner. The sheriff's office said that Wong then used a shotgun to shoot himself in the head Friday at The Pathway Home building. Pathway home was a nonprofit organization that treated combat veterans for post-traumatic stress syndrome and other mental health disorders.

lowers adorn the sign in front of Pathway Home, the building that houses a veterans program in Northern California a day after a deadly shooting in Younteville, Calif. Authorities say a combat veteran shot himself in the head with a shotgun after fatally shooting three mental health workers at a California veterans home. The Napa County Sheriff's Office said Thursday, March 15, 2018, that 36-year-old Albert Wong shot the three workers in the head with a rifle at the California Veterans Home in Yountville.​

Wong, whose military records show he served in Afghanistan from April 2011 to March 2012, was enrolled in The Pathway Home's veteran treatment program until he was recently expelled, according to a relative of one of the women he killed. Law enforcement officials did not respond to questions about what led to Wong being dismissed from the program. Wong killed program director Christine Loeber and psychologists Jennifer Golick, and Jennifer Gonzales Shushereba, who was also pregnant.

Napa County Sheriff's Capt. Steven Blower said neither the victims nor Wong was shot by a deputy who exchanged gunfire with Wong when he first arrived at the veterans home Friday morning. The deputy was responding to a 10:20 a.m. report of shots fired. Wong ran into a room and closed the door during the gunfight no further shots were heard. Officers weren't sure if Wong and the victims were still alive and they surrounded the building for seven hours and attempted to contact Wong. Shortly before 6 p.m., a robot with a video camera showed all four people appearing to be dead, which officers soon confirmed. The Pathway board of directors announced Wednesday that the program was suspending operations "indefinitely."

Sheriff: Veteran Shot Self After Killing 3 Mental Health Workers

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Gun control is sanity. Anything else is idiocy. So look in the mirror and you will see the idiot.

I agree that gun control is important because if you can't even hit the target you're a danger to everyone.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Largest home for Vets is shut down as masses of LE converge on the complex, the largest home for our Vets.

Yountville, California, veterans home has reports of gunfire - CNN

This kind of thing happens over and over and over again and still the NRA and all the gunnuts refuse to accept any kind of serious gun control. It's just insane.

Useful idiot.

Gun control is sanity. Anything else is idiocy. So look in the mirror and you will see the idiot.

Taking crazy people and criminals off the street is sanity. Going after inanimate objects is insanity.

It is not sanity to imagine that the US can monitor the mental health of every person in the country, especially if that person has had no mental health issues known to a doctor, has never been in a mental institution, has, in fact, never had any mental health issues that are on record. As well, studies show that most people with documented mental health issues are only a threat to themselves, if any threat at all. They are by far more likely to be suicidal than homicidal. It is nuts to think you can control this problem by monitoring mental health.

While it's nuts like you who think a firearm can't be obtained on the black market by establishing a prohibition policy on them.

*****SMILE*****

 

[Damaged Eagle]

There are millions upon millions of athiests in the world, and they are not any more mentally ill than anyone else. You need to read about existentialiism. LOL Your post is really laughable. We can't go after everyone someone like you thinks is mentally ill. My impression, after having a lot of discussion with gunnuts these past few weeks is that they are the ones who are truly mentally ill. There is absolutely no sane reason to cling to their guns the way they do. None.

So long as you discount the hundreds of millions that they've butchered in the name of their progressive agenda.

*****SMILE*****

 

[jasonnfree]

There are millions upon millions of athiests in the world, and they are not any more mentally ill than anyone else. You need to read about existentialiism. LOL Your post is really laughable. We can't go after everyone someone like you thinks is mentally ill. My impression, after having a lot of discussion with gunnuts these past few weeks is that they are the ones who are truly mentally ill. There is absolutely no sane reason to cling to their guns the way they do. None.

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So long as you discount the hundreds of millions that they've butchered in the name of their progressive agenda.

*****SMILE*****

Franklin D.Roosevelt's progressive agenda worked out pretty well. You don't even have to buy a book to look up who he was . Google is your friend.