Gun Grabber leader was on Tucker Carlson and used all the lies they normally use...

[2aguy]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a Second Amendment; well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We have a Second Amendment

Yes we do. The SCOTUS ruled on it awhile back, clarifying the meaning for the dimwitted hoards of modern times.

 

[william the wie]

Look on the bright side all the felons know where to go when they get out of jail.

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

 

[2aguy]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

 

[2aguy]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

No....you use an alarm system and much of the time simply having the sign in your yard makes the robber or burglar go to another home.....

Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them

And again....No...you are wrong. There are 1,500,000 defensive gun uses in this country...according to bill clinton and barak obama through the Department of Justice and the CDC.......of those defensive gun uses, only about 235 end up in a dead criminal...as per the FBI.....so no, you don't have to fire the "tool" for it to do it's job, which is to preserve the life of the user. It can stop a violent attack by simply being displayed in the holster...a friend of mine did just that, or by drawing and pointing the gun at the attackers..

.as this woman did...

Woman Scares off Assailant With Stick. Just Kidding, it was a gun.

Just before 7pm on Wednesday night, a 29 year-old woman had gathered up her dog and headed outside to… well, to let her dog do what dogs do.

Upon her first step outside her Minot, North Dakota home, she was hit solidly in the face with a blunt object, knocking her backward down the stairs and into her home.

Her assailant followed her into her home and started to approach her, but the woman had made it to a cabinet where she retrieved a handgun to protect herself and her home.

When confronted with the firearm, the violent intruder and would-be robber/rapist/murderer fled the scene.

The smart, independent, gun-owning woman did not require medical attention, most likely due to the fact that she was able to pull a weapon on her assailant to end the attack.

Or this man did...

Police: Concealed Permit Holder Saves Officer Surrounded By Mob - Breitbart

On February 5, an armed citizen saved an Upper Darby police officer who was under assault and encircled by a mob of onlookers.
Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said “there is no doubt they would have attacked” the officer without the armed citizen’s intervention.

According to Philly.com, the officer was breaking up a fight between two Upper Darby High School students–after school had let out for the day–and one of the students jumped the officer. Superintendent Chitwood said, “As he breaks up the fight, he takes one kid and then the other jumps [on] him. Now he’s fighting two of them and he’s calling for an assist officer at the same time. There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer.”

An area resident with a concealed carry permit saw the officer struggling and the crowd closing in, so he grabbed his gun and ran to the officer’s defense. The resident ordered the kids to get away from the officer and kept them away until sufficient backup arrived. Chitwood said, “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off. If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.”

The officer who was under attack suffered “significant hand injuries” and the first officer to respond to calls for backup “suffered a major injury to a leg when he was kicked by one of the teens in the fight.”

or this man did...

CCW Permit Holder In CA Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With His Glock Until Police Arrive

FRESNO, CALIFORNIA — A pocket-carrying homeowner took matters into his own hands when he saw someone walking around inside his home as he was outside doing yard work.

That homeowner, who did not want to be identified, says he’s had his concealed carry permit for 50 years in California and it’s the first time he’s ever been forced to draw.

When police arrived, accompanied by helicopter with a good visual on the situation, they found the homeowner with his Glock trained on the suspect, 54-year-old Enrique Garza.

Police hailed the homeowner’s actions, saying it was a good thing his gun wasn’t sitting inside a safe, out of reach when needed most.

“If not for having a CCW, he probably wouldn’t have his gun on him, it probably would have been locked in a safe, and he wouldn’t have had access to it in order to hold this suspect accountable,” said Fresno County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Tony Botti.


Or this women did...

Concealed Carrier Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With Her FNX .45

CLEVELAND, TENNESSEE — A woman successfully subdued a would-be burglar outside her home using her FNX .45. The suspect, James Jeffrey Dunn, was allegedly trying to break in through her front door late at night. She got her handgun and confronted the burglar, according to WRCB. Once at the doorway, she yelled through the door for him to stay put and not move. Moments later, she confronted him head-on — handgun drawn and ready to go.

via WRCB

“I tried to order him to stay right where he was at and I pointed the gun at him and I came running off the porch and I came within 10 feet of him and he laid the bicycle down and he crumpled on top of the bicycle,” she says.

She held him at gunpoint until Cleveland Police arrived and arrested Dunn, 35, on charges of aggravated burglary, theft, and burglary of a motor vehicle. Police note that Dunn had an arrest sheet tallying over 40 charges — the most recent being only 6 hours prior to his attempted burglary of this concealed carrier.

“We went over this when we got my concealed carry permit, these types of scenarios. But I had already put that gun up and ever taken it out since, you know?” she says. “Maybe to go the range once.”

When we talk about the new generation of concealed carriers, let’s take a good long look at the realities these people are facing: hardened, career criminals unafraid to bust through the door or do damage to private property and persons. It’s a good thing this woman had the proper training she needed and the right equipment.



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[2aguy]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

And here is one of my favorites...

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."

Notice....in none of the above examples was the gun fired..........right? The gun saved the life of the user, and stopped a violent criminal attack, and it wasn't fired...the "Tool" did it's job....it preserved the life of the user...

 

[jon_berzerk]

We have a Second Amendment; well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State.

We have a Second Amendment


indeed we do

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

No....you use an alarm system and much of the time simply having the sign in your yard makes the robber or burglar go to another home.....

Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them

And again....No...you are wrong. There are 1,500,000 defensive gun uses in this country...according to bill clinton and barak obama through the Department of Justice and the CDC.......of those defensive gun uses, only about 235 end up in a dead criminal...as per the FBI.....so no, you don't have to fire the "tool" for it to do it's job, which is to preserve the life of the user. It can stop a violent attack by simply being displayed in the holster...a friend of mine did just that, or by drawing and pointing the gun at the attackers..

.as this woman did...

Woman Scares off Assailant With Stick. Just Kidding, it was a gun.

Just before 7pm on Wednesday night, a 29 year-old woman had gathered up her dog and headed outside to… well, to let her dog do what dogs do.

Upon her first step outside her Minot, North Dakota home, she was hit solidly in the face with a blunt object, knocking her backward down the stairs and into her home.

Her assailant followed her into her home and started to approach her, but the woman had made it to a cabinet where she retrieved a handgun to protect herself and her home.

When confronted with the firearm, the violent intruder and would-be robber/rapist/murderer fled the scene.

The smart, independent, gun-owning woman did not require medical attention, most likely due to the fact that she was able to pull a weapon on her assailant to end the attack.

Or this man did...

Police: Concealed Permit Holder Saves Officer Surrounded By Mob - Breitbart

On February 5, an armed citizen saved an Upper Darby police officer who was under assault and encircled by a mob of onlookers.
Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said “there is no doubt they would have attacked” the officer without the armed citizen’s intervention.

According to Philly.com, the officer was breaking up a fight between two Upper Darby High School students–after school had let out for the day–and one of the students jumped the officer. Superintendent Chitwood said, “As he breaks up the fight, he takes one kid and then the other jumps [on] him. Now he’s fighting two of them and he’s calling for an assist officer at the same time. There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer.”

An area resident with a concealed carry permit saw the officer struggling and the crowd closing in, so he grabbed his gun and ran to the officer’s defense. The resident ordered the kids to get away from the officer and kept them away until sufficient backup arrived. Chitwood said, “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off. If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.”

The officer who was under attack suffered “significant hand injuries” and the first officer to respond to calls for backup “suffered a major injury to a leg when he was kicked by one of the teens in the fight.”

or this man did...

CCW Permit Holder In CA Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With His Glock Until Police Arrive

FRESNO, CALIFORNIA — A pocket-carrying homeowner took matters into his own hands when he saw someone walking around inside his home as he was outside doing yard work.

That homeowner, who did not want to be identified, says he’s had his concealed carry permit for 50 years in California and it’s the first time he’s ever been forced to draw.

When police arrived, accompanied by helicopter with a good visual on the situation, they found the homeowner with his Glock trained on the suspect, 54-year-old Enrique Garza.

Police hailed the homeowner’s actions, saying it was a good thing his gun wasn’t sitting inside a safe, out of reach when needed most.

“If not for having a CCW, he probably wouldn’t have his gun on him, it probably would have been locked in a safe, and he wouldn’t have had access to it in order to hold this suspect accountable,” said Fresno County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Tony Botti.


Or these women did...

Concealed Carrier Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With Her FNX .45

CLEVELAND, TENNESSEE — A woman successfully subdued a would-be burglar outside her home using her FNX .45. The suspect, James Jeffrey Dunn, was allegedly trying to break in through her front door late at night. She got her handgun and confronted the burglar, according to WRCB. Once at the doorway, she yelled through the door for him to stay put and not move. Moments later, she confronted him head-on — handgun drawn and ready to go.

via WRCB

“I tried to order him to stay right where he was at and I pointed the gun at him and I came running off the porch and I came within 10 feet of him and he laid the bicycle down and he crumpled on top of the bicycle,” she says.

She held him at gunpoint until Cleveland Police arrived and arrested Dunn, 35, on charges of aggravated burglary, theft, and burglary of a motor vehicle. Police note that Dunn had an arrest sheet tallying over 40 charges — the most recent being only 6 hours prior to his attempted burglary of this concealed carrier.

“We went over this when we got my concealed carry permit, these types of scenarios. But I had already put that gun up and ever taken it out since, you know?” she says. “Maybe to go the range once.”

When we talk about the new generation of concealed carriers, let’s take a good long look at the realities these people are facing: hardened, career criminals unafraid to bust through the door or do damage to private property and persons. It’s a good thing this woman had the proper training she needed and the right equipment.



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If it makes you feel safer to have a yard sign strapped to you, along with that fire extinguisher you talked about before, and prance through town pretending to be Rambo, I don;t have a problem with either. Those can't kill me or my loved ones because you are too much of a coward to leave them at home.

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

And here is one of my favorites...

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."

Notice....in none of the above examples was the gun fired..........right? The gun saved the life of the user, and stopped a violent criminal attack, and it wasn't fired...the "Tool" did it's job....it preserved the life of the user...

Only an idiot thinks waving a gun around is all it takes. YOU NEVER POINT A GUN AT SOMEONE UNLESS YOU INTEND AND ARE PREPARED TO KILL THEM.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

2aguy doesn't know his name but he does know he's a "gun grabber".

IOW, SSDD

Which, in this case means,

Same Spam, Different Day


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[BULLDOG]

2aguy doesn't know his name but he does know he's a "gun grabber".

IOW, SSDD

Which, in this case means,

Same Spam, Different Day


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Yep 2guy is a goober grabber

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

And here is one of my favorites...

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."

Notice....in none of the above examples was the gun fired..........right? The gun saved the life of the user, and stopped a violent criminal attack, and it wasn't fired...the "Tool" did it's job....it preserved the life of the user...

Only an idiot thinks waving a gun around is all it takes. YOU NEVER POINT A GUN AT SOMEONE UNLESS YOU INTEND AND ARE PREPARED TO KILL THEM.

Except if it falls out of your pocket.

Earlier, one of those ER reality shows, patient was a guy who shot his own penis when he was shoving his manly piece down the front of his pants because, apparently, he needed that so he could, you know, work up the balls to venture outside.

Luckily, his gun was an adorable little .32 and didn't do much damage.

I agree with you and have had this argument with 2aguy before. Anyone who does what he advocates is an accidental shooting, waiting to happen.

Seriously, it's loose cannons like him that make us all a whole lot less safe.

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[BULLDOG]

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

And here is one of my favorites...

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."

Notice....in none of the above examples was the gun fired..........right? The gun saved the life of the user, and stopped a violent criminal attack, and it wasn't fired...the "Tool" did it's job....it preserved the life of the user...

Only an idiot thinks waving a gun around is all it takes. YOU NEVER POINT A GUN AT SOMEONE UNLESS YOU INTEND AND ARE PREPARED TO KILL THEM.

Except if it falls out of your pocket.

Earlier, one of those ER reality shows, patient was a guy who shot his own penis when he was shoving his manly piece down the front of his pants because, apparently, he needed that so he could, you know, work up the balls to venture outside.

Luckily, his gun was an adorable little .32 and didn't do much damage.

I agree with you and have had this argument with 2aguy before. Anyone who does what he advocates is an accidental shooting, waiting to happen.

Seriously, it's loose cannons like him that make us all a whole lot less safe.

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He and other idiots like him scare me. Not the way he wants me to be scared though.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them..?

Yes...

 

[2aguy]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

No....you use an alarm system and much of the time simply having the sign in your yard makes the robber or burglar go to another home.....

Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them

And again....No...you are wrong. There are 1,500,000 defensive gun uses in this country...according to bill clinton and barak obama through the Department of Justice and the CDC.......of those defensive gun uses, only about 235 end up in a dead criminal...as per the FBI.....so no, you don't have to fire the "tool" for it to do it's job, which is to preserve the life of the user. It can stop a violent attack by simply being displayed in the holster...a friend of mine did just that, or by drawing and pointing the gun at the attackers..

.as this woman did...

Woman Scares off Assailant With Stick. Just Kidding, it was a gun.

Just before 7pm on Wednesday night, a 29 year-old woman had gathered up her dog and headed outside to… well, to let her dog do what dogs do.

Upon her first step outside her Minot, North Dakota home, she was hit solidly in the face with a blunt object, knocking her backward down the stairs and into her home.

Her assailant followed her into her home and started to approach her, but the woman had made it to a cabinet where she retrieved a handgun to protect herself and her home.

When confronted with the firearm, the violent intruder and would-be robber/rapist/murderer fled the scene.

The smart, independent, gun-owning woman did not require medical attention, most likely due to the fact that she was able to pull a weapon on her assailant to end the attack.

Or this man did...

Police: Concealed Permit Holder Saves Officer Surrounded By Mob - Breitbart

On February 5, an armed citizen saved an Upper Darby police officer who was under assault and encircled by a mob of onlookers.
Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said “there is no doubt they would have attacked” the officer without the armed citizen’s intervention.

According to Philly.com, the officer was breaking up a fight between two Upper Darby High School students–after school had let out for the day–and one of the students jumped the officer. Superintendent Chitwood said, “As he breaks up the fight, he takes one kid and then the other jumps [on] him. Now he’s fighting two of them and he’s calling for an assist officer at the same time. There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer.”

An area resident with a concealed carry permit saw the officer struggling and the crowd closing in, so he grabbed his gun and ran to the officer’s defense. The resident ordered the kids to get away from the officer and kept them away until sufficient backup arrived. Chitwood said, “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off. If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.”

The officer who was under attack suffered “significant hand injuries” and the first officer to respond to calls for backup “suffered a major injury to a leg when he was kicked by one of the teens in the fight.”

or this man did...

CCW Permit Holder In CA Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With His Glock Until Police Arrive

FRESNO, CALIFORNIA — A pocket-carrying homeowner took matters into his own hands when he saw someone walking around inside his home as he was outside doing yard work.

That homeowner, who did not want to be identified, says he’s had his concealed carry permit for 50 years in California and it’s the first time he’s ever been forced to draw.

When police arrived, accompanied by helicopter with a good visual on the situation, they found the homeowner with his Glock trained on the suspect, 54-year-old Enrique Garza.

Police hailed the homeowner’s actions, saying it was a good thing his gun wasn’t sitting inside a safe, out of reach when needed most.

“If not for having a CCW, he probably wouldn’t have his gun on him, it probably would have been locked in a safe, and he wouldn’t have had access to it in order to hold this suspect accountable,” said Fresno County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Tony Botti.


Or these women did...

Concealed Carrier Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With Her FNX .45

CLEVELAND, TENNESSEE — A woman successfully subdued a would-be burglar outside her home using her FNX .45. The suspect, James Jeffrey Dunn, was allegedly trying to break in through her front door late at night. She got her handgun and confronted the burglar, according to WRCB. Once at the doorway, she yelled through the door for him to stay put and not move. Moments later, she confronted him head-on — handgun drawn and ready to go.

via WRCB

“I tried to order him to stay right where he was at and I pointed the gun at him and I came running off the porch and I came within 10 feet of him and he laid the bicycle down and he crumpled on top of the bicycle,” she says.

She held him at gunpoint until Cleveland Police arrived and arrested Dunn, 35, on charges of aggravated burglary, theft, and burglary of a motor vehicle. Police note that Dunn had an arrest sheet tallying over 40 charges — the most recent being only 6 hours prior to his attempted burglary of this concealed carrier.

“We went over this when we got my concealed carry permit, these types of scenarios. But I had already put that gun up and ever taken it out since, you know?” she says. “Maybe to go the range once.”

When we talk about the new generation of concealed carriers, let’s take a good long look at the realities these people are facing: hardened, career criminals unafraid to bust through the door or do damage to private property and persons. It’s a good thing this woman had the proper training she needed and the right equipment.



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If it makes you feel safer to have a yard sign strapped to you, along with that fire extinguisher you talked about before, and prance through town pretending to be Rambo, I don;t have a problem with either. Those can't kill me or my loved ones because you are too much of a coward to leave them at home.

Hey...shit head....were those people cowards....for carrying a tool that likely kept most of them alive?

You lost this argument.....the facts, the truth and the reality, the statistics show you are wrong in every aspect of this debate.......but you have an irrational fear of guns, and because of that you hate those who own them and those who carry them.....so you place your fear on them.....trying to console yourself by saying that those who carry a gun, with as little emotion as they carry their cell phones, are afraid....when in truth, you are the one who is afraid...irrationally afraid....

 

[2aguy]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

And here is one of my favorites...

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."

Notice....in none of the above examples was the gun fired..........right? The gun saved the life of the user, and stopped a violent criminal attack, and it wasn't fired...the "Tool" did it's job....it preserved the life of the user...

Only an idiot thinks waving a gun around is all it takes. YOU NEVER POINT A GUN AT SOMEONE UNLESS YOU INTEND AND ARE PREPARED TO KILL THEM.

1,500,000 defensive gun uses according to bill clinton's Department of Justice study and obama's CDC researching all available research on guns and gun self defense......and of those defensive gun uses...only 235 criminals a year are too stupid to retreat in the face of an armed victim......

You have no clue what you are talking about.....it has been explained to you over and over....but just like explaining to the person afraid of spiders or mice.....your mental illness won't allow you to see the truth.

 

[2aguy]

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

And here is one of my favorites...

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."

Notice....in none of the above examples was the gun fired..........right? The gun saved the life of the user, and stopped a violent criminal attack, and it wasn't fired...the "Tool" did it's job....it preserved the life of the user...

Only an idiot thinks waving a gun around is all it takes. YOU NEVER POINT A GUN AT SOMEONE UNLESS YOU INTEND AND ARE PREPARED TO KILL THEM.

Except if it falls out of your pocket.

Earlier, one of those ER reality shows, patient was a guy who shot his own penis when he was shoving his manly piece down the front of his pants because, apparently, he needed that so he could, you know, work up the balls to venture outside.

Luckily, his gun was an adorable little .32 and didn't do much damage.

I agree with you and have had this argument with 2aguy before. Anyone who does what he advocates is an accidental shooting, waiting to happen.

Seriously, it's loose cannons like him that make us all a whole lot less safe.

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Except...no. You too are an idiot.......we went from 200 million guns in private hands to over 400 milliion....from 4.7 million people actually carrying guns to over 15.7 million people carrying guns....and the gun accident rate is going down.....because gun owners are responsible.....even more so that people who drive cars.......cars kill more people accidentally than guns do when criminals use them to commit murder.....

Car accidents vs. criminal gun murder...

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
Total car accidental death....

2015....36,161--------- Gun murder 9,616
2014....33,736 -------- Gun murder 8,312
2013....33,804-------- Gun murder 8,454
2012....34,935 ------- Gun murder 8,897

Car accidents....vs......gun accidents, Deaths:

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

gun 2015...489_______ car 2015....36,161

2014.....486________ car 2014....33,736
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Notice...twit......that death by car is over 35,000 a year......gun accident death....489, with 400 million guns...do you understand the difference between those two numbers? with over 15.7 million people actually carrying guns......do you understand these numbers....?