BULLDOG
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If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.
I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....
Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...
I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....
OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?
No....you use an alarm system and much of the time simply having the sign in your yard makes the robber or burglar go to another home.....
Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them
And again....No...you are wrong. There are 1,500,000 defensive gun uses in this country...according to bill clinton and barak obama through the Department of Justice and the CDC.......of those defensive gun uses, only about 235 end up in a dead criminal...as per the FBI.....so no, you don't have to fire the "tool" for it to do it's job, which is to preserve the life of the user. It can stop a violent attack by simply being displayed in the holster...a friend of mine did just that, or by drawing and pointing the gun at the attackers..
.as this woman did...
Woman Scares off Assailant With Stick. Just Kidding, it was a gun.
Just before 7pm on Wednesday night, a 29 year-old woman had gathered up her dog and headed outside to… well, to let her dog do what dogs do.
Upon her first step outside her Minot, North Dakota home, she was hit solidly in the face with a blunt object, knocking her backward down the stairs and into her home.
Her assailant followed her into her home and started to approach her, but the woman had made it to a cabinet where she retrieved a handgun to protect herself and her home.
When confronted with the firearm, the violent intruder and would-be robber/rapist/murderer fled the scene.
The smart, independent, gun-owning woman did not require medical attention, most likely due to the fact that she was able to pull a weapon on her assailant to end the attack.
Or this man did...
Police: Concealed Permit Holder Saves Officer Surrounded By Mob - Breitbart
On February 5, an armed citizen saved an Upper Darby police officer who was under assault and encircled by a mob of onlookers.
Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said “there is no doubt they would have attacked” the officer without the armed citizen’s intervention.
According to Philly.com, the officer was breaking up a fight between two Upper Darby High School students–after school had let out for the day–and one of the students jumped the officer. Superintendent Chitwood said, “As he breaks up the fight, he takes one kid and then the other jumps [on] him. Now he’s fighting two of them and he’s calling for an assist officer at the same time. There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer.”
An area resident with a concealed carry permit saw the officer struggling and the crowd closing in, so he grabbed his gun and ran to the officer’s defense. The resident ordered the kids to get away from the officer and kept them away until sufficient backup arrived. Chitwood said, “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off. If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.”
The officer who was under attack suffered “significant hand injuries” and the first officer to respond to calls for backup “suffered a major injury to a leg when he was kicked by one of the teens in the fight.”
or this man did...
CCW Permit Holder In CA Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With His Glock Until Police Arrive
FRESNO, CALIFORNIA — A pocket-carrying homeowner took matters into his own hands when he saw someone walking around inside his home as he was outside doing yard work.
That homeowner, who did not want to be identified, says he’s had his concealed carry permit for 50 years in California and it’s the first time he’s ever been forced to draw.
When police arrived, accompanied by helicopter with a good visual on the situation, they found the homeowner with his Glock trained on the suspect, 54-year-old Enrique Garza.
Police hailed the homeowner’s actions, saying it was a good thing his gun wasn’t sitting inside a safe, out of reach when needed most.
“If not for having a CCW, he probably wouldn’t have his gun on him, it probably would have been locked in a safe, and he wouldn’t have had access to it in order to hold this suspect accountable,” said Fresno County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Tony Botti.
Or these women did...
Concealed Carrier Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With Her FNX .45
CLEVELAND, TENNESSEE — A woman successfully subdued a would-be burglar outside her home using her FNX .45. The suspect, James Jeffrey Dunn, was allegedly trying to break in through her front door late at night. She got her handgun and confronted the burglar, according to WRCB. Once at the doorway, she yelled through the door for him to stay put and not move. Moments later, she confronted him head-on — handgun drawn and ready to go.
via WRCB
“I tried to order him to stay right where he was at and I pointed the gun at him and I came running off the porch and I came within 10 feet of him and he laid the bicycle down and he crumpled on top of the bicycle,” she says.
She held him at gunpoint until Cleveland Police arrived and arrested Dunn, 35, on charges of aggravated burglary, theft, and burglary of a motor vehicle. Police note that Dunn had an arrest sheet tallying over 40 charges — the most recent being only 6 hours prior to his attempted burglary of this concealed carrier.
“We went over this when we got my concealed carry permit, these types of scenarios. But I had already put that gun up and ever taken it out since, you know?” she says. “Maybe to go the range once.”
When we talk about the new generation of concealed carriers, let’s take a good long look at the realities these people are facing: hardened, career criminals unafraid to bust through the door or do damage to private property and persons. It’s a good thing this woman had the proper training she needed and the right equipment.
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If it makes you feel safer to have a yard sign strapped to you, along with that fire extinguisher you talked about before, and prance through town pretending to be Rambo, I don;t have a problem with either. Those can't kill me or my loved ones because you are too much of a coward to leave them at home.
Hey...shit head....were those people cowards....for carrying a tool that likely kept most of them alive?
You lost this argument.....the facts, the truth and the reality, the statistics show you are wrong in every aspect of this debate.......but you have an irrational fear of guns, and because of that you hate those who own them and those who carry them.....so you place your fear on them.....trying to console yourself by saying that those who carry a gun, with as little emotion as they carry their cell phones, are afraid....when in truth, you are the one who is afraid...irrationally afraid....
I don't have a problem with guns. I'm scared of gun nuts like you.
