Gun free Britain? Murders going to hit 10 year high...

[Skull Pilot]

No you can get a link to how many murders were counted as murders in the UK because they only count the ones that end in a conviction in the courts as the document from the House of Commons clearly states

Yup... the Bobbies always get their man... or is that the Mounties? Never mind. Point being, they have a really, really low murder rate.

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Britain has always had a low murder rate, including a low knife murder rate, a low club murder rate and a low bare hands murder rate.....and also a low gun murder rate. The problem you guys have is that their gun crime rate, where guns are used to injure, not kill, to rape, and rob....is going up.....and their violent crime rate against law abiding people is going through the roof.....which according to you is not supposed to happen after you ban and confiscate guns.

US - lots of guns = lots of death
UK - few guns = lot less death

We are not unique. The whole fucking civilised world controls guns and has less death than the US. It really isnt complicated.

We have diverse communites.
We have angry people.
We have poverty.
We have drug problems
We have inequality
We have mental illness
We have violent computer games

All of these are blamed by gun nuts for gun crime.

And yet our gun crime is a fraction of yours.

How could gun control UK have less gun crime than the gun crazy US ? I just dont understand it .

Gun crime is going up in Britain. They have extreme gun control including gun banning and confiscation. Gun murder was always low in Britain, that did not change after the ban, therefore the ban did not create the low gun murder rate.

The ban made no difference for the majority of people. Nobody owned a gun. I dont know anyone who owns a gun and I never have.Our crime rate is not linked to our gun laws. It is linked to having 20,000 less cops on the beat.

The UK is many times safer than the US because we dont have a gun culture, we dont have gun nuts, gun nuts do not own our politicians and we are not tied to a medieval constitution which guarentees our rights to kill our neighbours over any tiny dispute.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The ban made no difference for the majority of people. Nobody owned a gun. I dont know anyone who owns a gun and I never have.Our crime rate is not linked to our gun laws. It is linked to having 20,000 less cops on the beat.

The UK is many times safer than the US because we dont have a gun culture, we dont have gun nuts, gun nuts do not own our politicians and we are not tied to a medieval constitution which guarentees our rights to kill our neighbours over any tiny dispute.

well said, Tommy.

The problem with the gun culture is that it's self perpetuating by design. The NRA floods the streets with guns, people like TooTinyGuy get scared and want more guns... and more guns... and more guns.

The thing is, the Gun Industry has concluded that their prime market are the gun nuts, the 3% of the population that owns 50% of the guns in this country.

Anyone want to bet that 2AGuy has enough guns to fight off the Zombie Apocalypse?

 

[2aguy]

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Meh, the Catholics probably had it coming...

Wow, yes, a country where they don't let average citizens own guns has a very low murder rate.. AMAZING.

then again, you'd probably cut four legs off of a frog, yell "Jump" and conclude that a frog with no legs is deaf.

They let their people have guns, they had a low gun murder rate. They took guns away from law abiding gun owners and they still have a low gun murder rate, therefore, the laws had no effect on their gun murder rate.

What you can't explain?

They banned and confiscated guns....now their gun crime rate is going up every year.....their violent crime rate is going up every year....you can't explain that since your entire argument is that once you ban guns, the crime rates are supposed to go down, not up.....

Meanwhile, another thing you can't explain, more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

 

[2aguy]

The ban made no difference for the majority of people. Nobody owned a gun. I dont know anyone who owns a gun and I never have.Our crime rate is not linked to our gun laws. It is linked to having 20,000 less cops on the beat.

The UK is many times safer than the US because we dont have a gun culture, we dont have gun nuts, gun nuts do not own our politicians and we are not tied to a medieval constitution which guarentees our rights to kill our neighbours over any tiny dispute.

well said, Tommy.

The problem with the gun culture is that it's self perpetuating by design. The NRA floods the streets with guns, people like TooTinyGuy get scared and want more guns... and more guns... and more guns.

The thing is, the Gun Industry has concluded that their prime market are the gun nuts, the 3% of the population that owns 50% of the guns in this country.

Anyone want to bet that 2AGuy has enough guns to fight off the Zombie Apocalypse?

How much do you want to bet on that? I could use the money.....

 

[JoeB131]

I know you don't care... malignant narcissists never care about anyone but themselves....

I kind of care we have 33,000 gun deaths every year.

 

[JoeB131]

They let their people have guns, they had a low gun murder rate. They took guns away from law abiding gun owners and they still have a low gun murder rate, therefore, the laws had no effect on their gun murder rate.

They didn't let people have guns... that was the point. Oh, sure you had some private gun ownership until it was banned, but you didn't have a gun industry pedelling to every tiny-dicked individual and flooding their streets with guns.

This isn't complicated, 2TinyGuy. You give people guns, you have lots of gun murders.

 

[2aguy]

I know you don't care... malignant narcissists never care about anyone but themselves....

I kind of care we have 33,000 gun deaths every year.

Gun murder in 2016....11,004

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Gun Suicide.....22,938


Non gun suicides are just about the same number as gun suicides......and yet you don't care about those.

Since gun suicide is the biggest number in gun deaths, and guns have nothing to do with that, you keep putting suicides in with gun deaths.... to make that number bigger.

Meanwhile, the Centers for Disease Control puts the number of defensive, life saving gun uses at 1.1 million, while the Department of Justice puts the number of defensive, life saving gun uses at 1.5 million....

Can you tell which number is bigger?

 

[2aguy]

They let their people have guns, they had a low gun murder rate. They took guns away from law abiding gun owners and they still have a low gun murder rate, therefore, the laws had no effect on their gun murder rate.

They didn't let people have guns... that was the point. Oh, sure you had some private gun ownership until it was banned, but you didn't have a gun industry pedelling to every tiny-dicked individual and flooding their streets with guns.

This isn't complicated, 2TinyGuy. You give people guns, you have lots of gun murders.

Except for 25 years of actual experience of more people with more guns and the gun murder rate going down 49%...how do you explain that?

More people with more guns and the gun crime rate going down 75%....how do you explain that?

More people with more guns and the violent crime rate going down 72%...how do you explain that?

Britain banned and confiscated guns from law abiding gun owners.....gun crime up all across Britain, as is violent crime.....how do you explain that?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

You are obviously too fucked up to be functioning properly.
Get some help.

I thought it was such a good point it needed repeating!

 

[JoeB131]

Gun murder in 2016....11,004

Gun Homicides.

2016: 14,415
2015: 12,974
2014: 10,945

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Except for 25 years of actual experience of more people with more guns and the gun murder rate going down 49%...how do you explain that?

It's not. It's going up as I just demonstrated.

 

[2aguy]

Gun murder in 2016....11,004

Gun Homicides.

2016: 14,415
2015: 12,974
2014: 10,945

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Except for 25 years of actual experience of more people with more guns and the gun murder rate going down 49%...how do you explain that?

It's not. It's going up as I just demonstrated.

The gun murder rate in our democrat party cities went up starting in 2015-2016 because obama, the ACLU, and Black Lives Matter targeted the police using the Department of Justice.....they created the Ferguson Effect, causing the police in those cities to back up pro-active police work, which allowed criminals to carry guns unmolested by the police....increasing the gun murder rate. As of 2017, with Trump using the Department of Justice to prosecute gun criminals at the federal level, the Ferguson Effect is receding......another disaster created by obama that Trump has had to fix.....


First....the FBI tables....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2017....10,982

2016....11.138
.......................2015,2016 the years of the obama, black lives matter Ferguson Effect on police.....
2015....9,778

2014....8,312

2013....8,454

The Ferguson Effect....

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

 

[JoeB131]

The gun murder rate in our democrat party cities went up starting in 2015-2016 because obama, the ACLU, and Black Lives Matter targeted the police using the Department of Justice.....they created the Ferguson Effect, causing the police in those cities to back up pro-active police work, which allowed criminals to carry guns unmolested by the police...

well, funny thing....

How could there be a Ferguson effect when the kids who were being shot were unarmed? It would seem to me that shooting unarmed black kids wouldn't discourage any crooks from carrying guns...

Yeah, some 'targeting". the only two cops who've gone to jail for misconduct are Slager and Van Dyke... and you had to catch those assholes on video shooting people and then lying about it.

No, the reason why gun murders are spiking is because the NRA got most gun laws overturned, flooding our streets with more guns. Probably didn't help that during the Obama years, they were screaming to the gun nuts, "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!!!" and flooding the market further.

 

[2aguy]

The gun murder rate in our democrat party cities went up starting in 2015-2016 because obama, the ACLU, and Black Lives Matter targeted the police using the Department of Justice.....they created the Ferguson Effect, causing the police in those cities to back up pro-active police work, which allowed criminals to carry guns unmolested by the police...

well, funny thing....

How could there be a Ferguson effect when the kids who were being shot were unarmed? It would seem to me that shooting unarmed black kids wouldn't discourage any crooks from carrying guns...

Yeah, some 'targeting". the only two cops who've gone to jail for misconduct are Slager and Van Dyke... and you had to catch those assholes on video shooting people and then lying about it.

No, the reason why gun murders are spiking is because the NRA got most gun laws overturned, flooding our streets with more guns. Probably didn't help that during the Obama years, they were screaming to the gun nuts, "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!!!" and flooding the market further.

You keep saying things that are wrong, and you say them like you believe them.....

Read the article....the Ferguson Effect is real, and we are just now recovering from it....thanks to Trump using the Department of Justice to target gun criminals, and not the police...

 

[JoeB131]

You keep saying things that are wrong, and you say them like you believe them.....

Read the article....the Ferguson Effect is real, and we are just now recovering from it....thanks to Trump using the Department of Justice to target gun criminals, and not the police...

Yes, throwing some people in prison for minor gun possession isn't really solving the problem, since gun murders continue to climb. Did you miss all the mass shootings? The rest of us haven't.

 

[2aguy]

You keep saying things that are wrong, and you say them like you believe them.....

Read the article....the Ferguson Effect is real, and we are just now recovering from it....thanks to Trump using the Department of Justice to target gun criminals, and not the police...

Yes, throwing some people in prison for minor gun possession isn't really solving the problem, since gun murders continue to climb. Did you miss all the mass shootings? The rest of us haven't.

No...democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians are letting the criminals caught with illegal guns out of jail in under 3 year.....they then go on to get another illegal gun and murder people...Japan fixed that problem by putting a 10 year sentence on illegal gun possession, and 15 for more than one gun, with add ons if you also have bullets...we need to do that....jail is a revolving door for violent gun offenders and that, not law abiding gun owners, is driving the murder rate.

Total number killed in mass public shootings in2016.... 71, total in 2017....117.... total deaths falling off ladders? 300. Car accidents...over 38,000, poison..over 1,000......

Times crimes are stopped by Americans using their legal guns...1.1 million times a year...according to the CDC.....

 

[Vagabond63]

Prove it.

DISPROVE IT

Onus Probandi

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Onus Probandi

Oh yeah?, I'll do ya one better.....

לזיין אותך

 

[Vagabond63]

Onus Probandi

Oh yeah?, I'll do ya one better.....

לזיין אותך

So that's a frank admission you can't prove your assertions, so are reduced to mindless insults in Israeli. OK, thanks for taking part.

 

[harmonica]

and STILL four times lower than the US

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

So that's a frank admission you can't prove your assertions, so are reduced to mindless insults in Israeli. OK, thanks for taking part.

I often respond like that,...when I realize I'm arguing with an imbecile.
Total waste of time.

Go twaddle yourself.

Oh, and TRY not to get shot, stabbed, acid splashed, run over etc etc etc in your UK "safe space"