Gun free Britain? Murders going to hit 10 year high...

[2aguy]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

Why do you ask "Gun free Britain?"

You know Britain isn't gun free, you've been told this a million times.

You're a fake news man.

 

[2aguy]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

Why do you ask "Gun free Britain?"

You know Britain isn't gun free, you've been told this a million times.

You're a fake news man.

Britain banned and confiscated handguns...which are the leading weapons there for gun crime...you know, on an island that banned them...

 

[2aguy]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

Why do you ask "Gun free Britain?"

You know Britain isn't gun free, you've been told this a million times.

You're a fake news man.

Moron....

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

 

[idb]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

 

[2aguy]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yep....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

Why do you ask "Gun free Britain?"

You know Britain isn't gun free, you've been told this a million times.

You're a fake news man.

Moron....

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Hilarious.

The ONLY thing you have to say of your own is an insult. Everyone knows insults are to hide poor arguments.

Then in response to me saying that Britain has guns, you respond with a link to crime rise in Britain.

How on Earth does showing Britain has a crime rise prove that Britain doesn't have guns?

Oh, it doesn't.

Maybe you should have added "I'm a...." before you one word.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yeah, because the first world country with the most guns is also the first world country with the highest murder rates.

Yeah, let's fix it by allowing humans to kill each other..... that'll solve the problem, eventually, of humans with guns.

 

[2aguy]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yeah, because the first world country with the most guns is also the first world country with the highest murder rates.

Yeah, let's fix it by allowing humans to kill each other..... that'll solve the problem, eventually, of humans with guns.

It seemed to lower the gun crime rate here...while the gun crime rate in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns is going up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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Britain....


Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Police urged to ‘follow the gun’ to cut smuggling amid rise in firearm crime

The findings, by the Birmingham-based National Ballistics Intelligence Network, come as concern grows over a 20% rise in gun crime in England and Wales.

----

Figures released last month by the Office for National Statistics showed a 20% rise in firearms incidents in England and Wales – 6,694 offences during the year up to September 2017.
----

The arrest and jailing for 30 years in 2016 of Harry Shilling, caught trying to smuggle £100,000-worth of guns from France into the UK, underlined how susceptible the UK is to smuggling. Officers found 22 assault rifles and nine submachine guns, as well as 1,500 rounds of ammunition, after intercepting a boat at a marina in Kent.

Last week a Birmingham physiotherapist, Mohinder Surdhar, who supplied guns and ammunition to gangs, including weapons used in three murders, was jailed for 14 years.
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U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.
The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data.

Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

 

[cwise76]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You’re appetite is insatiable

 

[frigidweirdo]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yep....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This is hilarious.

It's taking a few facts and believing you can manipulate people with only a small portion and a massive fairy tale of an interpretation.

Gun ownership

Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Crime statistics

United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2017

In 1972 there was 43% gun ownership.
In 2017 there was 42% gun ownership.

It seems to fluctuate between 37% and 47%, though this might just be how they collect the data. Either way there doesn't seem to be a rise in people owning guns. Just an increase in POPULATION which means more people own guns, because there are more people. (Read, OP couldn't use statistics honestly if he tried)

Gun ownership was probably similar in the 1950s when crime rates were lower too.

That US murder rates went down, doesn't mean much when they've not been below 4 murders per 100,000 people in the last 100 something years, and when the UK hasn't been above 1.5 in the last 200 years.

And increase of crime happens at times, and it decreases at times.

To simply say "crime is rising" therefore it's bad, is to ignore so much stuff and to be totally dishonest.

The fact that crime is rising is because the UK has had a Conservative government in power for the last 8 years. They've cut police spending, they've cut spending on education, on things like that.

Dishonesty is the only thing you'll find in the OP's posts in general, and there's no exception here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yeah, because the first world country with the most guns is also the first world country with the highest murder rates.

Yeah, let's fix it by allowing humans to kill each other..... that'll solve the problem, eventually, of humans with guns.

It seemed to lower the gun crime rate here...while the gun crime rate in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns is going up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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Britain....


Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

---

Police urged to ‘follow the gun’ to cut smuggling amid rise in firearm crime

The findings, by the Birmingham-based National Ballistics Intelligence Network, come as concern grows over a 20% rise in gun crime in England and Wales.

----

Figures released last month by the Office for National Statistics showed a 20% rise in firearms incidents in England and Wales – 6,694 offences during the year up to September 2017.
----

The arrest and jailing for 30 years in 2016 of Harry Shilling, caught trying to smuggle £100,000-worth of guns from France into the UK, underlined how susceptible the UK is to smuggling. Officers found 22 assault rifles and nine submachine guns, as well as 1,500 rounds of ammunition, after intercepting a boat at a marina in Kent.

Last week a Birmingham physiotherapist, Mohinder Surdhar, who supplied guns and ammunition to gangs, including weapons used in three murders, was jailed for 14 years.
==========
U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.
The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data.

Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Where is murder higher? The US or the UK?

Where is gun crime higher? The US or the UK?

 

[2aguy]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yep....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This is hilarious.

It's taking a few facts and believing you can manipulate people with only a small portion and a massive fairy tale of an interpretation.

Gun ownership

Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Crime statistics

United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2017

In 1972 there was 43% gun ownership.
In 2017 there was 42% gun ownership.

It seems to fluctuate between 37% and 47%, though this might just be how they collect the data. Either way there doesn't seem to be a rise in people owning guns. Just an increase in POPULATION which means more people own guns, because there are more people. (Read, OP couldn't use statistics honestly if he tried)

Gun ownership was probably similar in the 1950s when crime rates were lower too.

That US murder rates went down, doesn't mean much when they've not been below 4 murders per 100,000 people in the last 100 something years, and when the UK hasn't been above 1.5 in the last 200 years.

And increase of crime happens at times, and it decreases at times.

To simply say "crime is rising" therefore it's bad, is to ignore so much stuff and to be totally dishonest.

The fact that crime is rising is because the UK has had a Conservative government in power for the last 8 years. They've cut police spending, they've cut spending on education, on things like that.

Dishonesty is the only thing you'll find in the OP's posts in general, and there's no exception here.

You just admitted in your post that gun crime is not dependent on gun control......it is about time you admitted it. Criminals use guns...they don't always use them for murder.....and Britain has a growing gun crime problem......

 

[2aguy]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yeah, because the first world country with the most guns is also the first world country with the highest murder rates.

Yeah, let's fix it by allowing humans to kill each other..... that'll solve the problem, eventually, of humans with guns.

It seemed to lower the gun crime rate here...while the gun crime rate in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns is going up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
-----

Britain....


Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

---

Police urged to ‘follow the gun’ to cut smuggling amid rise in firearm crime

The findings, by the Birmingham-based National Ballistics Intelligence Network, come as concern grows over a 20% rise in gun crime in England and Wales.

----

Figures released last month by the Office for National Statistics showed a 20% rise in firearms incidents in England and Wales – 6,694 offences during the year up to September 2017.
----

The arrest and jailing for 30 years in 2016 of Harry Shilling, caught trying to smuggle £100,000-worth of guns from France into the UK, underlined how susceptible the UK is to smuggling. Officers found 22 assault rifles and nine submachine guns, as well as 1,500 rounds of ammunition, after intercepting a boat at a marina in Kent.

Last week a Birmingham physiotherapist, Mohinder Surdhar, who supplied guns and ammunition to gangs, including weapons used in three murders, was jailed for 14 years.
==========
U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.
The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data.

Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Where is murder higher? The US or the UK?

Where is gun crime higher? The US or the UK?

Murder has always been higher in the U.S. even before they banned guns in the U.K. showing that their gun control laws had nothing to do with their gun murder rates....

 

[2aguy]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yeah, because the first world country with the most guns is also the first world country with the highest murder rates.

Yeah, let's fix it by allowing humans to kill each other..... that'll solve the problem, eventually, of humans with guns.

It seemed to lower the gun crime rate here...while the gun crime rate in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns is going up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
-----

Britain....


Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

---

Police urged to ‘follow the gun’ to cut smuggling amid rise in firearm crime

The findings, by the Birmingham-based National Ballistics Intelligence Network, come as concern grows over a 20% rise in gun crime in England and Wales.

----

Figures released last month by the Office for National Statistics showed a 20% rise in firearms incidents in England and Wales – 6,694 offences during the year up to September 2017.
----

The arrest and jailing for 30 years in 2016 of Harry Shilling, caught trying to smuggle £100,000-worth of guns from France into the UK, underlined how susceptible the UK is to smuggling. Officers found 22 assault rifles and nine submachine guns, as well as 1,500 rounds of ammunition, after intercepting a boat at a marina in Kent.

Last week a Birmingham physiotherapist, Mohinder Surdhar, who supplied guns and ammunition to gangs, including weapons used in three murders, was jailed for 14 years.
==========
U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.
The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data.

Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Where is murder higher? The US or the UK?

Where is gun crime higher? The US or the UK?

Gun crime is going down in the U.S. it is going up in the U.K........

 

[idb]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yep....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Gun ownership has been falling since the seventies.

The percent of American households owning guns is at a near-40 year low in the latest CBS News poll released this month.

According to the survey, which was conducted among 1,001 Americans in the aftermath of the Orlando nightclub shooting, 36 percent of U.S. adults either own a firearm personally, or live with someone who does. That's the lowest rate of gun ownership in the CBS poll going back to 1978. It's down 17 points from the highest recorded rate in 1994, and nearly 10 percentage points from 2012.

Different national polls tend to show slightly different rates of gun ownership. The latest household gun ownership rate in the General Social Survey, in 2014, was 32 percent. The October 2015 Gallup survey showed a higher rate of 43 percent, including guns kept on property outside the home.

But the downward trend in gun ownership remains consistent across the national polls.
American gun ownership drops to lowest in nearly 40 years

 

[idb]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yeah, because the first world country with the most guns is also the first world country with the highest murder rates.

Yeah, let's fix it by allowing humans to kill each other..... that'll solve the problem, eventually, of humans with guns.

It seemed to lower the gun crime rate here...while the gun crime rate in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns is going up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
-----

Britain....


Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

---

Police urged to ‘follow the gun’ to cut smuggling amid rise in firearm crime

The findings, by the Birmingham-based National Ballistics Intelligence Network, come as concern grows over a 20% rise in gun crime in England and Wales.

----

Figures released last month by the Office for National Statistics showed a 20% rise in firearms incidents in England and Wales – 6,694 offences during the year up to September 2017.
----

The arrest and jailing for 30 years in 2016 of Harry Shilling, caught trying to smuggle £100,000-worth of guns from France into the UK, underlined how susceptible the UK is to smuggling. Officers found 22 assault rifles and nine submachine guns, as well as 1,500 rounds of ammunition, after intercepting a boat at a marina in Kent.

Last week a Birmingham physiotherapist, Mohinder Surdhar, who supplied guns and ammunition to gangs, including weapons used in three murders, was jailed for 14 years.
==========
U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.
The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data.

Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Where is murder higher? The US or the UK?

Where is gun crime higher? The US or the UK?

Gun crime is going down in the U.S. it is going up in the U.K........

You do understand statistics I assume?
A small increase in numbers from a small base will be a large increase in percentage.
E.g. if you have five murders in one year...then six murders the following year...what is the percentage increase?

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yeah, because the first world country with the most guns is also the first world country with the highest murder rates.

Yeah, let's fix it by allowing humans to kill each other..... that'll solve the problem, eventually, of humans with guns.

It seemed to lower the gun crime rate here...while the gun crime rate in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns is going up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
-----

Britain....


Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

---

Police urged to ‘follow the gun’ to cut smuggling amid rise in firearm crime

The findings, by the Birmingham-based National Ballistics Intelligence Network, come as concern grows over a 20% rise in gun crime in England and Wales.

----

Figures released last month by the Office for National Statistics showed a 20% rise in firearms incidents in England and Wales – 6,694 offences during the year up to September 2017.
----

The arrest and jailing for 30 years in 2016 of Harry Shilling, caught trying to smuggle £100,000-worth of guns from France into the UK, underlined how susceptible the UK is to smuggling. Officers found 22 assault rifles and nine submachine guns, as well as 1,500 rounds of ammunition, after intercepting a boat at a marina in Kent.

Last week a Birmingham physiotherapist, Mohinder Surdhar, who supplied guns and ammunition to gangs, including weapons used in three murders, was jailed for 14 years.
==========
U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.
The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data.

Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Where is murder higher? The US or the UK?

Where is gun crime higher? The US or the UK?

Gun crime is going down in the U.S. it is going up in the U.K........

I count 8 firearm deaths in the UK in the year to March 2017.

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

 

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yeah, because the first world country with the most guns is also the first world country with the highest murder rates.

Yeah, let's fix it by allowing humans to kill each other..... that'll solve the problem, eventually, of humans with guns.

It seemed to lower the gun crime rate here...while the gun crime rate in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns is going up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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Britain....


Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Police urged to ‘follow the gun’ to cut smuggling amid rise in firearm crime

The findings, by the Birmingham-based National Ballistics Intelligence Network, come as concern grows over a 20% rise in gun crime in England and Wales.

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Figures released last month by the Office for National Statistics showed a 20% rise in firearms incidents in England and Wales – 6,694 offences during the year up to September 2017.
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The arrest and jailing for 30 years in 2016 of Harry Shilling, caught trying to smuggle £100,000-worth of guns from France into the UK, underlined how susceptible the UK is to smuggling. Officers found 22 assault rifles and nine submachine guns, as well as 1,500 rounds of ammunition, after intercepting a boat at a marina in Kent.

Last week a Birmingham physiotherapist, Mohinder Surdhar, who supplied guns and ammunition to gangs, including weapons used in three murders, was jailed for 14 years.
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U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.
The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data.

Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Where is murder higher? The US or the UK?

Where is gun crime higher? The US or the UK?

Gun crime is going down in the U.S. it is going up in the U.K........

I asked you a question, you respond with something that has NOTHING to do with the questions I asked.

Try again. You get an F for "fucking hell".

 

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Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.

Yeah, because the first world country with the most guns is also the first world country with the highest murder rates.

Yeah, let's fix it by allowing humans to kill each other..... that'll solve the problem, eventually, of humans with guns.

It seemed to lower the gun crime rate here...while the gun crime rate in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns is going up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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Britain....


Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Police urged to ‘follow the gun’ to cut smuggling amid rise in firearm crime

The findings, by the Birmingham-based National Ballistics Intelligence Network, come as concern grows over a 20% rise in gun crime in England and Wales.

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Figures released last month by the Office for National Statistics showed a 20% rise in firearms incidents in England and Wales – 6,694 offences during the year up to September 2017.
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The arrest and jailing for 30 years in 2016 of Harry Shilling, caught trying to smuggle £100,000-worth of guns from France into the UK, underlined how susceptible the UK is to smuggling. Officers found 22 assault rifles and nine submachine guns, as well as 1,500 rounds of ammunition, after intercepting a boat at a marina in Kent.

Last week a Birmingham physiotherapist, Mohinder Surdhar, who supplied guns and ammunition to gangs, including weapons used in three murders, was jailed for 14 years.
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U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.
The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data.

Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Where is murder higher? The US or the UK?

Where is gun crime higher? The US or the UK?

Murder has always been higher in the U.S. even before they banned guns in the U.K. showing that their gun control laws had nothing to do with their gun murder rates....

Right, the US has always had guns and always had higher murder rates.

The UK has always had less guns and always had less murders.

What does this say to you?

You're trying to make the argument that an increase in crime is bad and a reduction is good. You're being misleading at best, and conniving when people see what you're actually doing.

Someone else has made this argument better than me, so I'll let you reply to them.