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If the comparison is between the children who die of cancer and those who die by gunfire, those 15 and under, cancer wins hands down with 1333 cancer deaths compared to 795 mostly gang related murders, and too few gun accidents to make the top 20.
Unfortunately, the gun banners definition of a “child” extends through 21, including the years American children are most likely to engage in and to be killed by criminal gangs violence. Including “kids,” children, and young adults, the total for 2011 was 2,949 murder victims, with 78.2 percent with the gangs favorite weapon; compared to 2,023 deaths from “malignant neoplasms.”
Obviously, even with negligent manslaughter included, firearms deaths represent just 1.8% of the total number of unintentional childhood deaths. Poisoning takes twice as many children’s while fire kills five times as many as firearms. Drowning more than nine times as many children’s lives as firearms, and motor vehicle accidents kill almost 25 times more children than firearms.
See, you obviously haven't studied gun fights...first...when you are fighting empty handed you must physically dominate,your opponent...either beating the into submission, or controlling their limbs and body...with a gun...all you need to do at close quarters like that is clear the holster and pull the trigger..ideal..no...but from accounts I have studied like the iPhone above...it wins the fight, even one like that...
also...if you are carrying a gun most of the time you do it because you are aware that you could be a victim...so your level of alertness is higher than an average non armed person...I know if it were me..On an isolated platform that late,at night...I would have been aware of them as they stepped on the platform and been planning for the what if scenario...which in this case turned into a real stabbing
the point you made really points to you needing to read more about how guns are used in real world situations just like this...from ambush, against multiple armed attackers, victims with guns win the fight...not all the time...but a lot...guns give the individual a huge advantage/chance to survive...
even against thugs with guns, victims win because the thug has to want to press the attack, even with a gun, and risk getting shot themselves...
Again...your numbers don't work...even when the times is inflating numbers...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
Palm Bay police said 24-year-old Landrick Hamilton, who was being beat with a pool cue, grabbed the gun from his car and shot Amado Contreras in the chest. Amado Contreras was taken to Holmes Regional Medical Center in Melbourne and is in fair condition, police said.
again...take all,accidental,gun deaths and put that number against 250-370,000 crimes stopped and lives saved with guns...not even a close number...guns save,lives...
Never said that...just pointing out that even a small kid can save a life with a gun...
As to the guy on the platform...again...you need to study gunfights...did you know most gun fights happen in under 10 feet and a good percentage of those take place at arms length...
people have seen too many movie gun fights and don't understand how they actually play out...
Again, that number is a fraud. 232,000 guns stolen is a real number. You didn't say anything when I pointed out how not reporting crime is bad. According to you gun owners do it all the time letting the criminal get away to the next crime. So I guess the gun owner either gets his gun stolen or doesn't report the crime so that the criminal can rob again. I don't see how this is fighting cri
This fails as a false comparison fallacy.
Again, that number is a fraud. 232,000 guns stolen is a real number. You didn't say anything when I pointed out how not reporting crime is bad. According to you gun owners do it all the time letting the criminal get away to the next crime. So I guess the gun owner either gets his gun stolen or doesn't report the crime so that the criminal can rob again. I don't see how this is fighting cri
You are,really concerned with those stolen guns...
The guns are stolen from homes...when the owners are out...and why should an individual try to apprehend a fleeing criminal...it is a real good way to get injured, sued, or arrested...again...you should look into gun fights and self defense...once the threat flees the scene you break contact...ask any police officer if you should try to apprehend a fleeing criminal....
You can deny the number but doesn't make it fake...if I have to I'll use the 600-700,000 number since I can put a name to them...that makes your numbers even worse...
On top of that, the numbers you cited don't help your cause either...
We thought Bier’s points were reasonable, so we tried to replicate his approach. We looked at the raw violent crime numbers for each country, using statistics for England and Wales for 2012 and for the United States for 2011, in a way that sought to compare apples to apples. (We should note that the United Kingdom includes Scotland and Northern Ireland, but the numbers in the meme appear to be based only on crime in England and Wales, which are calculated separately.)
For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.
Disagree with the bolded, but otherwise, yes – gun violence and gun deaths are symptoms of far-more serious issues, predicated on the fact that American society perceives violence as a legitimate form of conflict resolution.If I could snap my fingers and make every gun in the US disappear I would. But even if we banned all new gun sales overnght there'd still be more guns in distribution than there are poeple. So unless 'gun control' means gun confiscation, outlawing a few brands or models here and there wont actually do anything. And all that's achieved every time someone tries is there's a rush on whatever isn't illegal, or illegal yet. Attempts to ban guns paradoxically help gun sales putting more out there.
Solution to gun violence isn't restricting the method people use to display violence. It's correcting the behaviours which lead to people becomming violent in the first place.
If you banned every gun overnight, all you'd succeed doing is ensuring only criminals (who don't give a shit what gun's illegal) have guns.
I agree you don't try to chase down the criminal. But you have to report the attempted crime and give the police any info you have. If you are putting your gun on the criminal you should have a pretty good description of him.
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If I could snap my fingers and make every gun in the US disappear I would. But even if we banned all new gun sales overnght there'd still be more guns in distribution than there are poeple. So unless 'gun control' means gun confiscation, outlawing a few brands or models here and there wont actually do anything. And all that's achieved every time someone tries is there's a rush on whatever isn't illegal, or illegal yet. Attempts to ban guns paradoxically help gun sales putting more out there.
Solution to gun violence isn't restricting the method people use to display violence. It's correcting the behaviours which lead to people becomming violent in the first place.
If you banned every gun overnight, all you'd succeed doing is ensuring only criminals (who don't give a shit what gun's illegal) have guns.
Disagree with the bolded, but otherwise, yes – gun violence and gun deaths are symptoms of far-more serious issues, predicated on the fact that American society perceives violence as a legitimate form of conflict resolution.
about gun deaths and children taking in a false meme...
The Number Of Children Killed By Guns Exceeds That Killed By Cancer Extrano s Alley a gun blog
If the comparison is between the children who die of cancer and those who die by gunfire, those 15 and under, cancer wins hands down with 1333 cancer deaths compared to 795 mostly gang related murders, and too few gun accidents to make the top 20.
Unfortunately, the gun banners definition of a “child” extends through 21, including the years American children are most likely to engage in and to be killed by criminal gangs violence. Including “kids,” children, and young adults, the total for 2011 was 2,949 murder victims, with 78.2 percent with the gangs favorite weapon; compared to 2,023 deaths from “malignant neoplasms.”
here he looks at how children are killed...guns are far down the list....and guns save more lives than criminals take...
The Number Of Children Killed By Unintentional Injury United States Extrano s Alley a gun blog
Obviously, even with negligent manslaughter included, firearms deaths represent just 1.8% of the total number of unintentional childhood deaths. Poisoning takes twice as many children’s while fire kills five times as many as firearms. Drowning more than nine times as many children’s lives as firearms, and motor vehicle accidents kill almost 25 times more children than firearms.
So, again, your numbers don't work...even with the times number 250-370,000 crimes are stopped and lives are saved with guns....
I agree you don't try to chase down the criminal. But you have to report the attempted crime and give the police any info you have. If you are putting your gun on the criminal you should have a pretty good description of him.
If you are not harmed, and you haven't fired a shot...I would suggest you really think about going to the police...since as far as they know...the only likely crime was that you just brandished your weapon in pubic..and now you have,to explain to them that that isn't how it happened....
