Are 15,16,17,18, 19 year old gang members fighting over drug turf "children." Guns are not the leading cause of death....

[2aguy]

There is a new lie being put out into the public....that guns are the leading cause of death for children....this is not true, it is a lie.....complete and total lie....no hedging, it is just a lie.

Why are people who are supposed to be news people repeating this lie?

73.6 million children in 2020 in the United States



Unintentional gun deaths by gun ages <1 to 14..........from the Centers for Disease Control...



2020



93



Intentional gun murder ages <1-14.....



394



Intentional gun murder ages 15-19.....



(keeping in mind these are majority criminals, involved in gangs, drugs and other crime.....and when do you consider an 17,18, 19 year old a child?)



2,417



Unintentional motor vehicle deaths of children 2020.......



ages ....... <1-14



1,315



ages......15-19



2,638



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Number of children in the U.S. 2021 | Statista



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The National Gang Center (NGC), a function of the federal government, tells us that in recent years, between 35 and 41% of street gang members are under age 18. They also note that street gang recruitment begins at age 14, when the social effects of puberty take control (as well as early onset testosterone poisoning).



Ponder that: criminology separates teens from traditional children due to changing behaviors and capacities for risk. For guns, those demarcations should be enforced as well.



The CDC table above showed that for ages 0–14, guns were not a major risk. Hence, the inaccurate claim that “guns are the leading cause of death for children” includes teens, which means it has to include teenage street gang members.



Given what the NGC says about entry into street gangs (age 14), the percentages of gang members that are teens (minimum 35%), and that American street gangs are stupendously violent, you would expect to see gun homicides rise steeply in the teen years.



And it does. Factor in that street gangs are largely metropolitan and that gun play between black street gangs is the worst of gang violence, and the rest of this chart makes even more sense.



Guns Not Leading Cause of Child Deaths | Gun Facts

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First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
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In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
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We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.

Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths

 

[White 6]

There is a new lie being put out into the public....that guns are the leading cause of death for children....this is not true, it is a lie.....complete and total lie....no hedging, it is just a lie.

Why are people who are supposed to be news people repeating this lie?

73.6 million children in 2020 in the United States



Unintentional gun deaths by gun ages <1 to 14..........from the Centers for Disease Control...



2020



93



Intentional gun murder ages <1-14.....



394



Intentional gun murder ages 15-19.....



(keeping in mind these are majority criminals, involved in gangs, drugs and other crime.....and when do you consider an 17,18, 19 year old a child?)



2,417



Unintentional motor vehicle deaths of children 2020.......



ages ....... <1-14



1,315



ages......15-19



2,638



Application Dispatcher



Number of children in the U.S. 2021 | Statista



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The National Gang Center (NGC), a function of the federal government, tells us that in recent years, between 35 and 41% of street gang members are under age 18. They also note that street gang recruitment begins at age 14, when the social effects of puberty take control (as well as early onset testosterone poisoning).



Ponder that: criminology separates teens from traditional children due to changing behaviors and capacities for risk. For guns, those demarcations should be enforced as well.



The CDC table above showed that for ages 0–14, guns were not a major risk. Hence, the inaccurate claim that “guns are the leading cause of death for children” includes teens, which means it has to include teenage street gang members.



Given what the NGC says about entry into street gangs (age 14), the percentages of gang members that are teens (minimum 35%), and that American street gangs are stupendously violent, you would expect to see gun homicides rise steeply in the teen years.



And it does. Factor in that street gangs are largely metropolitan and that gun play between black street gangs is the worst of gang violence, and the rest of this chart makes even more sense.



Guns Not Leading Cause of Child Deaths | Gun Facts

==========



First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
---
Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
----

In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
---
We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.

Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths

Young, dumb, full of cum, immature, unstable, totally lacking in judgement, often erratic. Not children, but not adults, though i would have no problem with life sentences or death penalty for punishment of their actions. Society would be better off without these youthful offenders, as juvenile convictions tell the pattern and they should be held to full accountability and records not sealed, no matter what they and the parents that lost control of them think or feel. I do not give a rat's ass, about their feelings or their relatives feelings.

 

[Dadoalex]

There is a new lie being put out into the public....that guns are the leading cause of death for children....this is not true, it is a lie.....complete and total lie....no hedging, it is just a lie.

Why are people who are supposed to be news people repeating this lie?

73.6 million children in 2020 in the United States



Unintentional gun deaths by gun ages <1 to 14..........from the Centers for Disease Control...



2020



93



Intentional gun murder ages <1-14.....



394



Intentional gun murder ages 15-19.....



(keeping in mind these are majority criminals, involved in gangs, drugs and other crime.....and when do you consider an 17,18, 19 year old a child?)



2,417



Unintentional motor vehicle deaths of children 2020.......



ages ....... <1-14



1,315



ages......15-19



2,638



Application Dispatcher



Number of children in the U.S. 2021 | Statista



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The National Gang Center (NGC), a function of the federal government, tells us that in recent years, between 35 and 41% of street gang members are under age 18. They also note that street gang recruitment begins at age 14, when the social effects of puberty take control (as well as early onset testosterone poisoning).



Ponder that: criminology separates teens from traditional children due to changing behaviors and capacities for risk. For guns, those demarcations should be enforced as well.



The CDC table above showed that for ages 0–14, guns were not a major risk. Hence, the inaccurate claim that “guns are the leading cause of death for children” includes teens, which means it has to include teenage street gang members.



Given what the NGC says about entry into street gangs (age 14), the percentages of gang members that are teens (minimum 35%), and that American street gangs are stupendously violent, you would expect to see gun homicides rise steeply in the teen years.



And it does. Factor in that street gangs are largely metropolitan and that gun play between black street gangs is the worst of gang violence, and the rest of this chart makes even more sense.



Guns Not Leading Cause of Child Deaths | Gun Facts

==========



First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
---
Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
----

In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
---
We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.

Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths

Place the blame where it lies.

1. The "War on Drugs" which created draconian laws to fight drugs (which were not a major social problem in 1970)
2. Exempting people under 18 from those punishments
3. The GOP support for ensuring guns are available to criminals

The first 2 pushed drug dealing from the 30 year old demo down to the Teen demo. Lots of money and soldiers who didn't care about killing or being killed.
The last ensures the most deadly weaponry would be available to kids who've no fear or understanding of death.

Also...

AS it is said, the stats are the stats. You want to change the stats to fit your lie.
Figures don't lie but liars figure.
I could juggle the stats so 90% of deaths were attributable to guns.
But, that would be lying.

Terminate the war on drugs and make it hard for criminals to get guns.
Problem solved.

 

[2aguy]

Place the blame where it lies.

1. The "War on Drugs" which created draconian laws to fight drugs (which were not a major social problem in 1970)
2. Exempting people under 18 from those punishments
3. The GOP support for ensuring guns are available to criminals

The first 2 pushed drug dealing from the 30 year old demo down to the Teen demo. Lots of money and soldiers who didn't care about killing or being killed.
The last ensures the most deadly weaponry would be available to kids who've no fear or understanding of death.

Also...

AS it is said, the stats are the stats. You want to change the stats to fit your lie.
Figures don't lie but liars figure.
I could juggle the stats so 90% of deaths were attributable to guns.
But, that would be lying.

Terminate the war on drugs and make it hard for criminals to get guns.
Problem solved.

The GOP does not support criminals having guns. The democrat party, however, is releasing known gun offenders over and over again no matter how many gun felonies they have

 

[2aguy]

Place the blame where it lies.

1. The "War on Drugs" which created draconian laws to fight drugs (which were not a major social problem in 1970)
2. Exempting people under 18 from those punishments
3. The GOP support for ensuring guns are available to criminals

The first 2 pushed drug dealing from the 30 year old demo down to the Teen demo. Lots of money and soldiers who didn't care about killing or being killed.
The last ensures the most deadly weaponry would be available to kids who've no fear or understanding of death.

Also...

AS it is said, the stats are the stats. You want to change the stats to fit your lie.
Figures don't lie but liars figure.
I could juggle the stats so 90% of deaths were attributable to guns.
But, that would be lying.

Terminate the war on drugs and make it hard for criminals to get guns.
Problem solved.

You can’t juggle these stats……

Well, the anti-gun side is when they include gang members as “children,” and 17,18,19 year olds as “children,”

 

[Dadoalex]

The GOP does not support criminals having guns. The democrat party, however, is releasing known gun offenders over and over again no matter how many gun felonies they have

Another lie.

 

[Dadoalex]

You can’t juggle these stats……

Well, the anti-gun side is when they include gang members as “children,” and 17,18,19 year olds as “children,”

The legal definition in the drug laws that cause the problem.

And, yes, you're trying to juggle the stats to get a preferred outcome/
Also called lying.

 

[2aguy]

The legal definition in the drug laws that cause the problem.

And, yes, you're trying to juggle the stats to get a preferred outcome/
Also called lying.

No....calling hardened gang members ahootimg wach other over srug turf, "children" is lying

 

[ActionJackson]

Place the blame where it lies.

1. The "War on Drugs" which created draconian laws to fight drugs (which were not a major social problem in 1970)
2. Exempting people under 18 from those punishments
3. The GOP support for ensuring guns are available to criminals

The first 2 pushed drug dealing from the 30 year old demo down to the Teen demo. Lots of money and soldiers who didn't care about killing or being killed.
The last ensures the most deadly weaponry would be available to kids who've no fear or understanding of death.

Also...

AS it is said, the stats are the stats. You want to change the stats to fit your lie.
Figures don't lie but liars figure.
I could juggle the stats so 90% of deaths were attributable to guns.
But, that would be lying.

Terminate the war on drugs and make it hard for criminals to get guns.
Problem solved.

If the "war on drugs" actually worsened the drug problem in America, then what makes you think that your "war on guns" will solve the gun issue?

There are already lots of anti-crime laws. But do criminals pay any attention to those laws? It's against the law to murder, but someone just got murdered a few seconds ago.

Objects are not the problem. Lawlessness is the problem.

 

[Dadoalex]

No....calling hardened gang members ahootimg wach other over srug turf, "children" is lying

I believe Churchill said "you're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts."

Cherry picking stats people are killed by guns leaves out the singular common fact that you so desperately want to ignore.

100% of men, women, adults, children, gang members, church members, gun club owners, and convenience store owners killed by guns were killed by guns. and If the guns weren't there the dead would most likely be alive.

It's the guns.

 

[martybegan]

Place the blame where it lies.

1. The "War on Drugs" which created draconian laws to fight drugs (which were not a major social problem in 1970)
2. Exempting people under 18 from those punishments
3. The GOP support for ensuring guns are available to criminals

The first 2 pushed drug dealing from the 30 year old demo down to the Teen demo. Lots of money and soldiers who didn't care about killing or being killed.
The last ensures the most deadly weaponry would be available to kids who've no fear or understanding of death.

Also...

AS it is said, the stats are the stats. You want to change the stats to fit your lie.
Figures don't lie but liars figure.
I could juggle the stats so 90% of deaths were attributable to guns.
But, that would be lying.

Terminate the war on drugs and make it hard for criminals to get guns.
Problem solved.

1. The 60's were the start of the drug issue, not the 70's. The 70's and early 80's were the heyday.
2. Minors were prosecuted as adults.
3. Wrong. RKBA supporters want guns in law abiding citizens hands, not criminals. Gun control freaks only care about disarming said law abiding citizens.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The OP showed why the statement is misleading at best, an outright falsehood at worst, the inclusion of late teenagers as "children"

 

[Dadoalex]

If the "war on drugs" actually worsened the drug problem in America, then what makes you think that your "war on guns" will solve the gun issue?

There are already lots of anti-crime laws. But do criminals pay any attention to those laws? It's against the law to murder, but someone just got murdered a few seconds ago.

Objects are not the problem. Lawlessness is the problem.

Background checks, registration, and purchase limits are not a "war on guns" if you are, in fact, a law abiding gun owner.
If, on the other hand you are not a law abiding gun owner then you would, of course, believe these reasonable regulations as a threat to your desire to ensure criminals have all the guns they need.

 

[Dadoalex]

1. The 60's were the start of the drug issue, not the 70's. The 70's and early 80's were the heyday.
2. Minors were prosecuted as adults.
3. Wrong. RKBA supporters want guns in law abiding citizens hands, not criminals. Gun control freaks only care about disarming said law abiding citizens.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The OP showed why the statement is misleading at best, an outright falsehood at worst, the inclusion of late teenagers as "children"

From someone whose history "knowledge" comes from NEWSMAX.

Drug War History

From the first U.S. anti-drug law targeting Chinese immigrants, to Nixon starting the drug war, to the first U.S. drug decriminalization law.

drugpolicy.org

"A top Nixon aide, John Ehrlichman, later admitted: “You want to know what this was really all about. The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”Nixon temporarily placed marijuana in Schedule One, the most restrictive category of drugs, pending review by a commission he appointed led by Republican Pennsylvania Governor Raymond Shafer.

In 1972, the commission unanimously recommended decriminalizing the possession and distribution of marijuana for personal use. Nixon ignored the report and rejected its recommendations."

The "War on Drugs" was a political operation designed to discredit war protestors and Black people.

But politicians across the next several decades found there was political capital in fighting an imaginary "drug war..."

You should read the article and much more from actual factual historic sites.

If, in fact, you wanted to keep guns in law abiding hands, you'd support measures making it harder for criminals to get guns. The fact you do not support reasonable gun controls puts the lie to your claim.

 

[DudleySmith]

Joining a gang should be an automatic crime, and prosecuted as accessories to murder for every one committed by a fellow gang member, and for every other crime committed by one. Want to be Part Of The Team? Then join them in prison or in exile.

 

[DudleySmith]

The "War on Drugs" was a political operation designed to discredit war protestors and Black people.

It was black politicians who screamed for the 'War On Drugs' before Nixon even ran against JFK, dumbass. Heroin addiction was reducing black neighborhoods to war zones beginning in the 1950's, and black people were screaming for the cops to do something about it. Then they started screaming because cops did start doing something about it, because, amazingly enough, most of the crime committed in black hoods was by black yoofs. Incredible but true.

Nobody forces anybody to buy drugs from gangs; people do it because they want to. Fuck them. They're the problem, not the cops. You're just another moron making excuses for scum. Black people are their own worst enemies.

 

[Dadoalex]

It was black politicians who screamed for the 'War On Drugs' before Nixon even ran against JFK, dumbass. Heroin addiction was reducing black neighborhoods to war zones beginning in the 1950's, and black people were screaming for the cops to do something about it. Then they started screaming because cops did start doing something about it, because, amazingly enough, most of the crime committed in black hoods was by black yoofs. Incredible but true.

Nobody forces anybody to buy drugs from gangs; people do it because they want to. Fuck them. They're the problem, not the cops. You're just another moron making excuses for scum. Black people are their own worst enemies.

It was that bastion of Law and Order J. Edgar Hoover who convinced Nixon and the Congress that the Civil Rights and Anti-war movements were hot beds of drugs, communists, and anti-American criminals and drugs ws the path to the inside of these enemies.

You're really not very knowledgeable. It's no wonder you're so easily manipulayed.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It was that bastion of Law and Order J. Edgar Hoover who convinced Nixon and the Congress that the Civil Rights and Anti-war movements were hot beds of drugs, communists, and anti-American criminals and drugs ws the path to the inside of these enemies.

You're really not very knowledgeable. It's no wonder you're so easily manipulayed.

I can remember black leaders demanding more stringent drug enforcement in black neighborhoods.

 

[DudleySmith]

It was that bastion of Law and Order J. Edgar Hoover who convinced Nixon and the Congress that the Civil Rights and Anti-war movements were hot beds of drugs, communists, and anti-American criminals and drugs ws the path to the inside of these enemies.

You're really not very knowledgeable. It's no wonder you're so easily manipulayed.

Keep feeding yourself all that cult crap. You need to be told what to babble like the rest of the deviants. Again, nobody is forcing your pet vermin to buy drugs from violent cartels and street gangs; the dopers could care less about what they're doing to others.

 

[Batcat]

There is a new lie being put out into the public....that guns are the leading cause of death for children....this is not true, it is a lie.....complete and total lie....no hedging, it is just a lie.

Why are people who are supposed to be news people repeating this lie?

73.6 million children in 2020 in the United States



Unintentional gun deaths by gun ages <1 to 14..........from the Centers for Disease Control...



2020



93



Intentional gun murder ages <1-14.....



394



Intentional gun murder ages 15-19.....



(keeping in mind these are majority criminals, involved in gangs, drugs and other crime.....and when do you consider an 17,18, 19 year old a child?)



2,417



Unintentional motor vehicle deaths of children 2020.......



ages ....... <1-14



1,315



ages......15-19



2,638



Application Dispatcher



Number of children in the U.S. 2021 | Statista



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==========



The National Gang Center (NGC), a function of the federal government, tells us that in recent years, between 35 and 41% of street gang members are under age 18. They also note that street gang recruitment begins at age 14, when the social effects of puberty take control (as well as early onset testosterone poisoning).



Ponder that: criminology separates teens from traditional children due to changing behaviors and capacities for risk. For guns, those demarcations should be enforced as well.



The CDC table above showed that for ages 0–14, guns were not a major risk. Hence, the inaccurate claim that “guns are the leading cause of death for children” includes teens, which means it has to include teenage street gang members.



Given what the NGC says about entry into street gangs (age 14), the percentages of gang members that are teens (minimum 35%), and that American street gangs are stupendously violent, you would expect to see gun homicides rise steeply in the teen years.



And it does. Factor in that street gangs are largely metropolitan and that gun play between black street gangs is the worst of gang violence, and the rest of this chart makes even more sense.



Guns Not Leading Cause of Child Deaths | Gun Facts

==========



First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
---
Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
----

In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
---
We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.

Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths

At age 17 a “child” can join the U.S. military with his parent’s permission. Once in the military he will learn how to shoot a real assault weapon.

 

[2aguy]

Background checks, registration, and purchase limits are not a "war on guns" if you are, in fact, a law abiding gun owner.
If, on the other hand you are not a law abiding gun owner then you would, of course, believe these reasonable regulations as a threat to your desire to ensure criminals have all the guns they need.

And what you are saying is that when the democrat party created Poll Taxes and Literacy Tests to keep blacks from voting…they weren’t keeping blacks from voting because all they had to do was pay the tax and pass the test?

This is why you are a dumb person…..,