Gun control laws don't work....these guys had a rocket propelled grenade, and an aresnal..

[2aguy]

That is a matter of culture, not guns...as again, their criminals get guns easily when they want them......and our gun violence is mainly contained in small, multi block areas in cities...usually controlled by democrats....so our gun violence is not a national problem but a very local one for these inner city shooting galleries....

It is a matter of ownership. Criminals don't use guns if few victims have them.

And of course the victims just have to suffer...right....? They should just have to endure rape, beatings, stabbings, and killings with blades and blunt objects...because that way no one has to have a gun....except for police and military...and then you hope they aren't working with drug cartels like in Mexico......

And criminals still use guns...on each other....just like they do in France, a week after the attack on the cartoonists masked gunmen with fully automatic rifles shot up a Marseilles neighborhood over drugs, just hours before the prime minister was going to give a speech....

Dittos the shooting in Sweden.......

Well based on crime rates, having the most guns doesn't lower crime. We have by far the most guns, but far from the lowest crime rates.

Actually, as you know our crime rates have gone down faster than Australias...and we didn't have to get rid of our guns......our crime rate is going down, not up, and our gun accident rate is going down, not up....so more guns in the hands of more law abiding Americans do not increase the crime rate, but may very well lower it...

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Brain....violent crime is going down, not up, and more than 11.1 more Americans are now carrying guns for self defense......and more Americans own guns than ever before.....statistics show you are wrong....on a national level....

And here is actual research into concealed carry.....

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

 

[Brain357]

Actually, as you know our crime rates have gone down faster than Australias...and we didn't have to get rid of our guns......our crime rate is going down, not up, and our gun accident rate is going down, not up....so more guns in the hands of more law abiding Americans do not increase the crime rate, but may very well lower it...

Is Brain lying to you?
Color me shocked.

Never lie. Challenge you again to prove it.

 

[2aguy]

And of course the victims just have to suffer...right....? They should just have to endure rape, beatings, stabbings, and killings with blades and blunt objects...because that way no one has to have a gun....except for police and military...and then you hope they aren't working with drug cartels like in Mexico......

And criminals still use guns...on each other....just like they do in France, a week after the attack on the cartoonists masked gunmen with fully automatic rifles shot up a Marseilles neighborhood over drugs, just hours before the prime minister was going to give a speech....

Dittos the shooting in Sweden.......

Well based on crime rates, having the most guns doesn't lower crime. We have by far the most guns, but far from the lowest crime rates.

Actually, as you know our crime rates have gone down faster than Australias...and we didn't have to get rid of our guns......our crime rate is going down, not up, and our gun accident rate is going down, not up....so more guns in the hands of more law abiding Americans do not increase the crime rate, but may very well lower it...

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Sorry...Chicago just got concealed carry and they are fighting it every step of the way........Wisconsin...dittos...and in both, the major gun murder places are the major cities, Milwaukee and Chicago.....and both refuse to hire more police and resist allowing people to carry guns for self defense....it takes about 5 years for the crime rate to go down....

And both go against your false claim.

You mean both cities that have just gotten concealed carry...and the rest of their states are fine...but two democrat controlled cities that won't fund police and undermine their police...their murder rates are up......?

 

[Brain357]

It is a matter of ownership. Criminals don't use guns if few victims have them.

And of course the victims just have to suffer...right....? They should just have to endure rape, beatings, stabbings, and killings with blades and blunt objects...because that way no one has to have a gun....except for police and military...and then you hope they aren't working with drug cartels like in Mexico......

And criminals still use guns...on each other....just like they do in France, a week after the attack on the cartoonists masked gunmen with fully automatic rifles shot up a Marseilles neighborhood over drugs, just hours before the prime minister was going to give a speech....

Dittos the shooting in Sweden.......

Well based on crime rates, having the most guns doesn't lower crime. We have by far the most guns, but far from the lowest crime rates.

Actually, as you know our crime rates have gone down faster than Australias...and we didn't have to get rid of our guns......our crime rate is going down, not up, and our gun accident rate is going down, not up....so more guns in the hands of more law abiding Americans do not increase the crime rate, but may very well lower it...

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Brain....violent crime is going down, not up, and more than 11.1 more Americans are now carrying guns for self defense......and more Americans own guns than ever before.....statistics show you are wrong....on a national level....

And here is actual research into concealed carry.....

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Again they got cocealed carry and crime went up. That is research and fact.

 

[2aguy]

And here we have another study on the effects of concealed carry on crime rates....

CPRC in the news on concealed handgun laws in Louisiana - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

The Times-Picayune discusses the Louisiana’s concealed handgun law:


A study by Crime Prevention Research Center, a gun-carrying advocacy site, looked at permit data from 2007-2013. It showed for each 1 percentage point increase in the adult population holding permits there is roughly associated with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.


Peter Scharf, a Criminologist at Louisiana State University School of Public Health says those numbers are misleading.

Over the past 40 years Scharf has published eight books on criminal justice and research into gun violence and he says communities with a high number of citizens carrying permits are typically areas where the crime rate is relatively low.


“There’s certain cultural attributes that go along with the communities where those rates are high,” Scharf said.


As of December, Louisiana had 136,505 active concealed carry permits. About 3.9 percent of the adult population in Louisiana holds a permit; that’s fairly low compared to 30 other states. Scharf says in poorer communities where the crime rates tend to be higher there is gun ownership, but they largely obtained through the secondary market, which means they are undocumented. . . .

 

[Brain357]

Well based on crime rates, having the most guns doesn't lower crime. We have by far the most guns, but far from the lowest crime rates.

Actually, as you know our crime rates have gone down faster than Australias...and we didn't have to get rid of our guns......our crime rate is going down, not up, and our gun accident rate is going down, not up....so more guns in the hands of more law abiding Americans do not increase the crime rate, but may very well lower it...

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Sorry...Chicago just got concealed carry and they are fighting it every step of the way........Wisconsin...dittos...and in both, the major gun murder places are the major cities, Milwaukee and Chicago.....and both refuse to hire more police and resist allowing people to carry guns for self defense....it takes about 5 years for the crime rate to go down....

And both go against your false claim.

You mean both cities that have just gotten concealed carry...and the rest of their states are fine...but two democrat controlled cities that won't fund police and undermine their police...their murder rates are up......?

If your claim was true crime would be down.

 

[Brain357]

And here we have another study on the effects of concealed carry on crime rates....

CPRC in the news on concealed handgun laws in Louisiana - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

Study? We are talking about what actually happened. Don't need a study.

 

[2aguy]

And of course the victims just have to suffer...right....? They should just have to endure rape, beatings, stabbings, and killings with blades and blunt objects...because that way no one has to have a gun....except for police and military...and then you hope they aren't working with drug cartels like in Mexico......

And criminals still use guns...on each other....just like they do in France, a week after the attack on the cartoonists masked gunmen with fully automatic rifles shot up a Marseilles neighborhood over drugs, just hours before the prime minister was going to give a speech....

Dittos the shooting in Sweden.......

Well based on crime rates, having the most guns doesn't lower crime. We have by far the most guns, but far from the lowest crime rates.

Actually, as you know our crime rates have gone down faster than Australias...and we didn't have to get rid of our guns......our crime rate is going down, not up, and our gun accident rate is going down, not up....so more guns in the hands of more law abiding Americans do not increase the crime rate, but may very well lower it...

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Brain....violent crime is going down, not up, and more than 11.1 more Americans are now carrying guns for self defense......and more Americans own guns than ever before.....statistics show you are wrong....on a national level....

And here is actual research into concealed carry.....

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Again they got cocealed carry and crime went up. That is research and fact.

Yes...they just got concealed carry...and the rest of the country has concealed and open carry laws and the crime rate for the nation is going down, not up....keep trying.....

 

[2aguy]

And here we have another study on the effects of concealed carry on crime rates....

CPRC in the news on concealed handgun laws in Louisiana - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

Study? We are talking about what actually happened. Don't need a study.

Poor, desperate little gun grabber........the truth and reality don't exist for you....

 

[Brain357]

Well based on crime rates, having the most guns doesn't lower crime. We have by far the most guns, but far from the lowest crime rates.

Actually, as you know our crime rates have gone down faster than Australias...and we didn't have to get rid of our guns......our crime rate is going down, not up, and our gun accident rate is going down, not up....so more guns in the hands of more law abiding Americans do not increase the crime rate, but may very well lower it...

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Brain....violent crime is going down, not up, and more than 11.1 more Americans are now carrying guns for self defense......and more Americans own guns than ever before.....statistics show you are wrong....on a national level....

And here is actual research into concealed carry.....

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Again they got cocealed carry and crime went up. That is research and fact.

Yes...they just got concealed carry...and the rest of the country has concealed and open carry laws and the crime rate for the nation is going down, not up....keep trying.....

WI has had it for a couple years. And crime went up. Your claim proven false.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, as you know our crime rates have gone down faster than Australias...and we didn't have to get rid of our guns......our crime rate is going down, not up, and our gun accident rate is going down, not up....so more guns in the hands of more law abiding Americans do not increase the crime rate, but may very well lower it...

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Sorry...Chicago just got concealed carry and they are fighting it every step of the way........Wisconsin...dittos...and in both, the major gun murder places are the major cities, Milwaukee and Chicago.....and both refuse to hire more police and resist allowing people to carry guns for self defense....it takes about 5 years for the crime rate to go down....

And both go against your false claim.

You mean both cities that have just gotten concealed carry...and the rest of their states are fine...but two democrat controlled cities that won't fund police and undermine their police...their murder rates are up......?

If your claim was true crime would be down.

And for the rest of the country and states that implemented carry laws back in the 90s the national crime rate is down, not up......

 

[Brain357]

And here we have another study on the effects of concealed carry on crime rates....

CPRC in the news on concealed handgun laws in Louisiana - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

Study? We are talking about what actually happened. Don't need a study.

Poor, desperate little gun grabber........the truth and reality don't exist for you....

Reality is they got concealed carry and crime went up. You ignoring reality.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, as you know our crime rates have gone down faster than Australias...and we didn't have to get rid of our guns......our crime rate is going down, not up, and our gun accident rate is going down, not up....so more guns in the hands of more law abiding Americans do not increase the crime rate, but may very well lower it...

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Brain....violent crime is going down, not up, and more than 11.1 more Americans are now carrying guns for self defense......and more Americans own guns than ever before.....statistics show you are wrong....on a national level....

And here is actual research into concealed carry.....

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Again they got cocealed carry and crime went up. That is research and fact.

Yes...they just got concealed carry...and the rest of the country has concealed and open carry laws and the crime rate for the nation is going down, not up....keep trying.....

WI has had it for a couple years. And crime went up. Your claim proven false.

No, they have had it 3 years and the minimum effective range for concealed carry laws is 5 years, because the criminals have to realize their victims can now shoot back...and the increase is isolated to a democrat controlled city where they are under staffing police and fighting concealed carry....

 

[Brain357]

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Sorry...Chicago just got concealed carry and they are fighting it every step of the way........Wisconsin...dittos...and in both, the major gun murder places are the major cities, Milwaukee and Chicago.....and both refuse to hire more police and resist allowing people to carry guns for self defense....it takes about 5 years for the crime rate to go down....

And both go against your false claim.

You mean both cities that have just gotten concealed carry...and the rest of their states are fine...but two democrat controlled cities that won't fund police and undermine their police...their murder rates are up......?

If your claim was true crime would be down.

And for the rest of the country and states that implemented carry laws back in the 90s the national crime rate is down, not up......

Yes wisconsin was going down like the rest of the country, till they got concealed carry...

 

[2aguy]

And for the rest of the country and states that implemented carry laws back in the 90s the national crime rate is down, not up......

 

[Brain357]

It doesn't effect crime rates.

Wi got concealed carry and violent crime went up, same with Chicago.

Brain....violent crime is going down, not up, and more than 11.1 more Americans are now carrying guns for self defense......and more Americans own guns than ever before.....statistics show you are wrong....on a national level....

And here is actual research into concealed carry.....

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Again they got cocealed carry and crime went up. That is research and fact.

Yes...they just got concealed carry...and the rest of the country has concealed and open carry laws and the crime rate for the nation is going down, not up....keep trying.....

WI has had it for a couple years. And crime went up. Your claim proven false.

No, they have had it 3 years and the minimum effective range for concealed carry laws is 5 years, because the criminals have to realize their victims can now shoot back...and the increase is isolated to a democrat controlled city where they are under staffing police and fighting concealed carry....

Haha that's funny.

 

[2aguy]

Actual research shows....

A study by Crime Prevention Research Center, a gun-carrying advocacy site, looked at permit data from 2007-2013. It showed for each 1 percentage point increase in the adult population holding permits there is roughly associated with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.


Peter Scharf, a Criminologist at Louisiana State University School of Public Health says those numbers are misleading. Over the past 40 years Scharf has published eight books on criminal justice and research into gun violence and he says communities with a high number of citizens carrying permits are typically areas where the crime rate is relatively low.

 

[Brain357]

Actual research shows....

A study by Crime Prevention Research Center, a gun-carrying advocacy site, looked at permit data from 2007-2013. It showed for each 1 percentage point increase in the adult population holding permits there is roughly associated with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.


Peter Scharf, a Criminologist at Louisiana State University School of Public Health says those numbers are misleading. Over the past 40 years Scharf has published eight books on criminal justice and research into gun violence and he says communities with a high number of citizens carrying permits are typically areas where the crime rate is relatively low.

And the real world shows violent crime went up.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Oh look... lies from Brain.

 

[2aguy]

Actual research shows....

A study by Crime Prevention Research Center, a gun-carrying advocacy site, looked at permit data from 2007-2013. It showed for each 1 percentage point increase in the adult population holding permits there is roughly associated with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.


Peter Scharf, a Criminologist at Louisiana State University School of Public Health says those numbers are misleading. Over the past 40 years Scharf has published eight books on criminal justice and research into gun violence and he says communities with a high number of citizens carrying permits are typically areas where the crime rate is relatively low.

And the real world shows violent crime went up.

brain....violent crime is down in the U.S...not up...and more Americans own guns now than ever before....and our drop was bigger than Australias..and we didn't ban guns......