But...Europe has gun control.....and no 2nd Amendment....but growing gang shootings? But, how is that possible?

[Dragonlady]

1980 was a boom for this country, you doofus....you listen to the democrats and then have no idea what the truth is.......

Our gangs became more violent around the mid 1960s........after the Great Society started to destroy our families in the cities the democrat party controlled...

You don't understand the issue........you are an idiot..........our gun crime rate didn't start going up until the mid 1960s all the way to the 1990s.....then we started allowing normal people to carry guns....

You would have to explain why it is that as more people carried guns, our gun crime rate went down, our gun murder rate went down...your theories can't explain that.........
Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

Paper...why crime declined in the 90s

https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittUnderstandingWhyCrime2004.pdf
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Over the past few decades, the number of guns in America has increased massively, so much so that there are now more guns than people in the United States. Yet federal crime statistics show that firearm homicides dropped about 40 percent between 1993 and 2018, from 7 per 100,000 people to 4.3 per 100,000 people (for nonfatal crimes involving guns, the decline was 71 percent). Violent crime, including homicides, did spike during the pandemic, and while the most recent data is incomplete, it's clear that gun-related violence remains far below where it was 30 years ago despite more guns than ever being out there.

Your crime rate went down 20 years after abortion was legalized. The drop was 10%. It be then dropped 1% each year thereafter for 5 years.

Each increase in gun sales since then, has seen increase in crime rates in murder.

If guns kept you safe, the USA would be the safest country in the first world, instead of the most dangerous and deadly.

 

[2aguy]

Your crime rate went down 20 years after abortion was legalized. The drop was 10%. It be then dropped 1% each year thereafter for 5 years.

Each increase in gun sales since then, has seen increase in crime rates in murder.

If guns kept you safe, the USA would be the safest country in the first world, instead of the most dangerous and deadly.

No......I know you guys love killing babies in the womb.....but again, our gun crime and gun murder rates went down, as more Americans own, and carried guns...

You can't explain it, which is why you don't respond to it....

And as my links pointed out.....after reaching 600 million guns in private hands, our gun murder rates are lower than they were in the 1970s........

Which you can't explain....

Meanwhile......Europe, after banning guns, went on to murder 15 million innocent men, women and children in just 6 years....more people murdered than gun murder in the U.S. over our entire 246 year history...

You can't explain why that would never happen again...

You can't explain how you would prevent it from happening again......

So.... we will keep our guns........

 

[Failzero]

Crime is gonna go Stratospheric

 

[Zebra]

are the numbers really growing?

 

[Dragonlady]

No......I know you guys love killing babies in the womb.....but again, our gun crime and gun murder rates went down, as more Americans own, and carried guns...

You can't explain it, which is why you don't respond to it....

And as my links pointed out.....after reaching 600 million guns in private hands, our gun murder rates are lower than they were in the 1970s........

Which you can't explain....

Meanwhile......Europe, after banning guns, went on to murder 15 million innocent men, women and children in just 6 years....more people murdered than gun murder in the U.S. over our entire 246 year history...

You can't explain why that would never happen again...

You can't explain how you would prevent it from happening again......

So.... we will keep our guns........

Europe didn't ban guns prior to WWII. In fact, Hilter facilitated private gun ownership. So right off the top, you're lying.

On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars

Say the words "gun registration" to many pro-gun Americans and you are likely to hear that one of the first things that Hitler did when he seized power was to impose strict gun registration requirements that enabled him to identify gun owners and then to confiscate all guns, effectively...

scholarship.law.columbia.edu

The EU passed restrictions on gun ownership in 2015.

Yes there is a wave of gang violence in Sweden, but Sweden allows private gun ownership:

Despite high gun ownership, Scandinavia remains largely free of firearm violence

Survivors of Norway’s deadliest massacre are urging the United States to tighten up gun laws to put an end to school shootings. In Sweden, sporadic gang-fueled gun crime just helped install a far-right party in power. Both countries have relatively high levels of firearms ownership but low...

www.pbs.org

Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image

Several passers-by are among those killed in gangland shootings and bombings beyond the big cities.

www.bbc.com

Your gun crime went down??? Where??? When????? You're now screaming that crime is completely out of control throughout the USA. Nobody is safe. Gun sales are spiking!!!!

You can't claim that cime is out of control, and gun crime is down. Both of these things can't be true at the same time. Pick one, which is it?

But your gun deaths and murder rates keep rising especially in red states with lax gun control laws.

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Hereâs Why

Some Republican politicians have used high crime and murder rates as an attack on Democratic lawmakers and the areas they represent, but data shows these rates are actually higher in Republican-led states.

www.forbes.com

Republicans claim Democrats canât keep us safe â crime data disagrees

Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime

www.theguardian.com

Republicans talk tough on crime â but it's worse when they hold power

Crime is much worse in "red states" — and that's been true for years. Why don't Democrats ever just say it?

www.salon.com

 

[2aguy]

Europe didn't ban guns prior to WWII. In fact, Hilter facilitated private gun ownership. So right off the top, you're lying.

On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars

Say the words "gun registration" to many pro-gun Americans and you are likely to hear that one of the first things that Hitler did when he seized power was to impose strict gun registration requirements that enabled him to identify gun owners and then to confiscate all guns, effectively...

scholarship.law.columbia.edu

The EU passed restrictions on gun ownership in 2015.

Yes there is a wave of gang violence in Sweden, but Sweden allows private gun ownership:

Despite high gun ownership, Scandinavia remains largely free of firearm violence

Survivors of Norway’s deadliest massacre are urging the United States to tighten up gun laws to put an end to school shootings. In Sweden, sporadic gang-fueled gun crime just helped install a far-right party in power. Both countries have relatively high levels of firearms ownership but low...

www.pbs.org

Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image

Several passers-by are among those killed in gangland shootings and bombings beyond the big cities.

www.bbc.com

Your gun crime went down??? Where??? When????? You're now screaming that crime is completely out of control throughout the USA. Nobody is safe. Gun sales are spiking!!!!

You can't claim that cime is out of control, and gun crime is down. Both of these things can't be true at the same time. Pick one, which is it?

But your gun deaths and murder rates keep rising especially in red states with lax gun control laws.

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Hereâs Why

Some Republican politicians have used high crime and murder rates as an attack on Democratic lawmakers and the areas they represent, but data shows these rates are actually higher in Republican-led states.

www.forbes.com

Republicans claim Democrats canât keep us safe â crime data disagrees

Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime

www.theguardian.com

Republicans talk tough on crime â but it's worse when they hold power

Crime is much worse in "red states" — and that's been true for years. Why don't Democrats ever just say it?

www.salon.com

Do you idiots still trot out the hitler thing?

He banned and confiscated guns from the groups he planned on murdering, you doofus.....

Europe took guns away from their people......because of the very same reasons you idiots are pushing now...


And you idiots keep lying about Red States......you say state, but it is the blue cities in those Red states you doofus......they are driving the gun murder rates in Red Cities....

Does Sweden allow civilians to buy, own or carry....let alone shoot at people, with fully automatic military rifles and hand grenades, you dumb ass?

 

[2aguy]

Europe didn't ban guns prior to WWII. In fact, Hilter facilitated private gun ownership. So right off the top, you're lying.

On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars

Say the words "gun registration" to many pro-gun Americans and you are likely to hear that one of the first things that Hitler did when he seized power was to impose strict gun registration requirements that enabled him to identify gun owners and then to confiscate all guns, effectively...

scholarship.law.columbia.edu

The EU passed restrictions on gun ownership in 2015.

Yes there is a wave of gang violence in Sweden, but Sweden allows private gun ownership:

Despite high gun ownership, Scandinavia remains largely free of firearm violence

Survivors of Norway’s deadliest massacre are urging the United States to tighten up gun laws to put an end to school shootings. In Sweden, sporadic gang-fueled gun crime just helped install a far-right party in power. Both countries have relatively high levels of firearms ownership but low...

www.pbs.org

Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image

Several passers-by are among those killed in gangland shootings and bombings beyond the big cities.

www.bbc.com

Your gun crime went down??? Where??? When????? You're now screaming that crime is completely out of control throughout the USA. Nobody is safe. Gun sales are spiking!!!!

You can't claim that cime is out of control, and gun crime is down. Both of these things can't be true at the same time. Pick one, which is it?

But your gun deaths and murder rates keep rising especially in red states with lax gun control laws.

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Hereâs Why

Some Republican politicians have used high crime and murder rates as an attack on Democratic lawmakers and the areas they represent, but data shows these rates are actually higher in Republican-led states.

www.forbes.com

Republicans claim Democrats canât keep us safe â crime data disagrees

Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime

www.theguardian.com

Republicans talk tough on crime â but it's worse when they hold power

Crime is much worse in "red states" — and that's been true for years. Why don't Democrats ever just say it?

www.salon.com

You need to actually read your links, you dumb ass.....from your very first link...

By the way? Who did hitler murder again?

Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition.

Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.
On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars

 

[2aguy]

Europe didn't ban guns prior to WWII. In fact, Hilter facilitated private gun ownership. So right off the top, you're lying.

On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars

Say the words "gun registration" to many pro-gun Americans and you are likely to hear that one of the first things that Hitler did when he seized power was to impose strict gun registration requirements that enabled him to identify gun owners and then to confiscate all guns, effectively...

scholarship.law.columbia.edu

The EU passed restrictions on gun ownership in 2015.

Yes there is a wave of gang violence in Sweden, but Sweden allows private gun ownership:

Despite high gun ownership, Scandinavia remains largely free of firearm violence

Survivors of Norway’s deadliest massacre are urging the United States to tighten up gun laws to put an end to school shootings. In Sweden, sporadic gang-fueled gun crime just helped install a far-right party in power. Both countries have relatively high levels of firearms ownership but low...

www.pbs.org

Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image

Several passers-by are among those killed in gangland shootings and bombings beyond the big cities.

www.bbc.com

Your gun crime went down??? Where??? When????? You're now screaming that crime is completely out of control throughout the USA. Nobody is safe. Gun sales are spiking!!!!

You can't claim that cime is out of control, and gun crime is down. Both of these things can't be true at the same time. Pick one, which is it?

But your gun deaths and murder rates keep rising especially in red states with lax gun control laws.

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Hereâs Why

Some Republican politicians have used high crime and murder rates as an attack on Democratic lawmakers and the areas they represent, but data shows these rates are actually higher in Republican-led states.

www.forbes.com

Republicans claim Democrats canât keep us safe â crime data disagrees

Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime

www.theguardian.com

Republicans talk tough on crime â but it's worse when they hold power

Crime is much worse in "red states" — and that's been true for years. Why don't Democrats ever just say it?

www.salon.com

Red states and the democrat party blue cities driving their gun murder rates....

While state legislatures enact the criminal penalties for different offenses, local governments set the policies that determine whether someone is arrested and convicted. Cities and counties set spending on police and sheriff departments and policing policies. Most states have local elections for district attorneys and trial court judges. In the last few years, many Democrat district attorneys have been accused of going soft on violent criminals. They may also not request bond for criminals. Judges have also released large numbers of inmates from many local jails over the last few years.
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While the murder rates in Trump counties in the states Trump won are only slightly higher than those in Trump counties in states Biden won, the Biden counties in Trump states had an 83% higher murder than in Biden states. This may say more about law enforcement and demographics than it does about state gun control laws.
For example, African Americans commit half the murders in the United States, though they comprise only 13.6% of the population. The counties that Biden won have almost four times the percentage of black voters. That gap is even larger in the counties in the states that Trump carried than the states that Biden carried.
Breaking out large counties with over 100,000 people, which is where 88% of murders in the U.S. occur, shows a similar, though even more extreme, difference. The murder rate data for counties that Biden won is much higher than for those that Trump won.
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The difference between Biden and Trump states is again driven by the Biden counties in the Republican states having much worse murder rates than those in the Democrat states and those are also the counties with the largest black populations.
The murder rates are much higher for Democrat counties both in states that voted for Biden and states that voted for Trump, but it is the high murder rates in Democrat counties that are causing the higher murder rates in Republican states in 2020. The Biden counties in Republican states averaged a murder rate of almost eight per 100,000 people, up from 4.4 in Democrat states. The Trump counties had only slightly higher murder rates in the Republican states.


Murder, They Spun: Selective Stats Leave Suspicious Fingerprints All Over the Crime Debate

 

[2aguy]

Europe didn't ban guns prior to WWII. In fact, Hilter facilitated private gun ownership. So right off the top, you're lying.

On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars

Say the words "gun registration" to many pro-gun Americans and you are likely to hear that one of the first things that Hitler did when he seized power was to impose strict gun registration requirements that enabled him to identify gun owners and then to confiscate all guns, effectively...

scholarship.law.columbia.edu

The EU passed restrictions on gun ownership in 2015.

Yes there is a wave of gang violence in Sweden, but Sweden allows private gun ownership:

Despite high gun ownership, Scandinavia remains largely free of firearm violence

Survivors of Norway’s deadliest massacre are urging the United States to tighten up gun laws to put an end to school shootings. In Sweden, sporadic gang-fueled gun crime just helped install a far-right party in power. Both countries have relatively high levels of firearms ownership but low...

www.pbs.org

Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image

Several passers-by are among those killed in gangland shootings and bombings beyond the big cities.

www.bbc.com

Your gun crime went down??? Where??? When????? You're now screaming that crime is completely out of control throughout the USA. Nobody is safe. Gun sales are spiking!!!!

You can't claim that cime is out of control, and gun crime is down. Both of these things can't be true at the same time. Pick one, which is it?

But your gun deaths and murder rates keep rising especially in red states with lax gun control laws.

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Hereâs Why

Some Republican politicians have used high crime and murder rates as an attack on Democratic lawmakers and the areas they represent, but data shows these rates are actually higher in Republican-led states.

www.forbes.com

Republicans claim Democrats canât keep us safe â crime data disagrees

Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime

www.theguardian.com

Republicans talk tough on crime â but it's worse when they hold power

Crime is much worse in "red states" — and that's been true for years. Why don't Democrats ever just say it?

www.salon.com

Blue cities....not Red States...you dumb ass....

Red states blue cities...

One problem with that: In most of these red states, the high murder rates are driven by the lethal violence in their blue cities.

Take Missouri. Yes, it voted for Trump. But it is also home to two of the most dangerous U.S. cities -- St. Louis and Kansas City -- both of which are run by Democrats. Earlier this year, CBS News did an analysis of the "deadliest U.S. cities" using the latest FBI and other crime data. In 2019, it found, St. Louis had the highest murder rate in the nation, with 64.54 murders per 100,000 residents. Kansas City, meanwhile, had the eighth-highest murder rate, with 29.88 murders per 100,000. According to the FBI, the state had about 520 murders in major metropolitan areas that year, 20 in cities outside metropolitan areas, and 28 in nonmetropolitan counties. So, the vast majority of Missouri's homicides took place in its Democrat-run cities.
The same is true for Louisiana, which has two of the most lethal Democratic-run cities in the country: Baton Rouge, which in 2019 had the sixth-highest murder rate in the nation with 31.72 murders per 100,000 residents, and New Orleans, which had the seventh-highest rate with 30.67 murders per 100,000. Without those cities, the state's murder rate would significantly drop.
That's not all. Tennessee's homicide rate was driven up by Democratic-run Memphis, which ranked ninth in the country with 29.21 homicides per 100,000 residents. Also powering the state's murder rate: then-Democratic-led Chattanooga (No. 29) with 18.15 murders per 100,000 in 2019 (note: the city elected an independent in 2021); Democratic-run Nashville (No. 59) with 12.08 per 100,000; and Democratic-run Knoxville (No. 62) with 11.66 per 100,000.
The same goes for other red states: In Alabama, Democratic-run Birmingham, which ranked third with 50.62 murders per 100,000 citizens, drove up the state murder rate, as did Democratic-run Tuscaloosa (No. 21) with 20.77 per 100,000. Kentucky's murder rate was run up by its largest city, Democratic-run Louisville, which had the 46th-highest murder rate in 2019, with 13.92 homicides per 100,000 residents. Arkansas's rate was driven up by Democratic-run Little Rock, the capital and largest city, which had the 24th-highest murder rate with 19.15 homicides per 100,000 residents. Mississippi's was driven up by the homicides in its Democratic-run capital Jackson, which had a murder rate of 46.5 per 100,000 in 2019.

See a pattern here?
Third Way also claims that 3 of the 5 states with the largest increase in murder rate between 2019 and 2021 were "decidedly rural" red states -- "Trump-voting Wyoming at 91.7%, South Dakota at 69%, and Nebraska at 59.1%." Sounds terrible. Here's what they left out: According to FBI data, Wyoming had a grand total of 13 murders in 2019, or 2.2 per 100,000 residents, while South Dakota had 17 and Nebraska had 45. So even if Wyoming's murder rate nearly doubled, it still saw fewer than 30 murders in 2021. What else are these red states missing besides large murder numbers? Large, crime-ridden, Democratic-run cities.
Third Way does not provide city-by-city data for 2020 in its report, perhaps because this would undermine its red state murder narrative. But the Manhattan Institute's Rafael Mangual gathered data on the 2020 murder rates in the 50 largest U.S. cities -- 34 of which had Democratic mayors, while 14 were led by Republicans (two were led by independents). "The homicide rate in the blue cities was 15.8 per 100,000, compared to 9.4 per 100,000 in the red cities," he found.
And in a May report, his Manhattan Institute colleagues Robert VerBruggen and Christos Makridis examined the growth in the homicide rate per capita in the largest U.S. counties between 2019 and 2020 -- and then compared the rates in GOP-leaning and Democratic-leaning counties. They found that "counties with higher shares of GOP voters have a much lower homicide death rate and a lower number of deaths in 2020" and "also a lower growth in homicide rates."



The 'Red State Murder Problem'? That's Just A Democratic-Driven Myth.


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The Heritage authors' data analysis revealed that, if the homicide rates of Democrat-run cities and counties in Republican-led states are subtracted, the overall homicide rates for those states are dramatically reduced.
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As noted earlier, however, most crime is hyperlocalized, so the funda- mental flaw with the study and the reason it does not deserve any serious consideration is that the “murder rate” in each state is largely a function of the large number of murders in a state’s biggest city or cities.21 A super majority of those cities, even in otherwise red states, are deep blue and runby left-wing ideologues.
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When you remove the crime-infested, homicide-riddled cities from the state murder rate featured in the Third Way study, you dramatically lower the murder rate for that state, upending their conclusions and exposing the piece for what it really is: a straightforward attempt at political projection dressed up as a “study.”

Said another way, Kessler and Murdock did their level best as political operatives to blame their political opponents for the very thing—rising crime—that leftist policies at the city and county levels have caused.


While a state’s murder rate is perhaps politically interesting, a more accurate reflection of what is actually happening on the ground is gained by reviewing localized murder rates, such as murder rates in a city or county. What does this review show?

Table 1 lists the 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the United States as of June 30, 2022.
Not surprisingly, of those 30 cities, 27 have Democratic mayors, the exceptions being Lexington and Jacksonville, which have Republican mayors, and Las Vegas, whose mayor is an Independent. And within those 30 cities there are at least 14 Soros-backed or Soros-inspired rogue prosecutors. Those Soros bought-and-paid-for or inspired rogue prosecutors include:

Study debunks ‘red state murder’ claim from Hillary Clinton, Democrats
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[2aguy]

Europe didn't ban guns prior to WWII. In fact, Hilter facilitated private gun ownership. So right off the top, you're lying.

On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars

Say the words "gun registration" to many pro-gun Americans and you are likely to hear that one of the first things that Hitler did when he seized power was to impose strict gun registration requirements that enabled him to identify gun owners and then to confiscate all guns, effectively...

scholarship.law.columbia.edu

The EU passed restrictions on gun ownership in 2015.

Yes there is a wave of gang violence in Sweden, but Sweden allows private gun ownership:

Despite high gun ownership, Scandinavia remains largely free of firearm violence

Survivors of Norway’s deadliest massacre are urging the United States to tighten up gun laws to put an end to school shootings. In Sweden, sporadic gang-fueled gun crime just helped install a far-right party in power. Both countries have relatively high levels of firearms ownership but low...

www.pbs.org

Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image

Several passers-by are among those killed in gangland shootings and bombings beyond the big cities.

www.bbc.com

Your gun crime went down??? Where??? When????? You're now screaming that crime is completely out of control throughout the USA. Nobody is safe. Gun sales are spiking!!!!

You can't claim that cime is out of control, and gun crime is down. Both of these things can't be true at the same time. Pick one, which is it?

But your gun deaths and murder rates keep rising especially in red states with lax gun control laws.

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Hereâs Why

Some Republican politicians have used high crime and murder rates as an attack on Democratic lawmakers and the areas they represent, but data shows these rates are actually higher in Republican-led states.

www.forbes.com

Republicans claim Democrats canât keep us safe â crime data disagrees

Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime

www.theguardian.com

Republicans talk tough on crime â but it's worse when they hold power

Crime is much worse in "red states" — and that's been true for years. Why don't Democrats ever just say it?

www.salon.com

Europeans didn't have guns....

The Night of the Broken Glass (Kristallnacht)—the infamous Nazi rampage against Germany’s Jews—took place in November 1938.

It was preceded by the confiscation of firearms from the Jewish victims.


On Nov. 8, The New York Times reported from Berlin, “Berlin Police Head Announces ‘Disarming’ of Jews,” explaining:

“The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been ‘disarmed’ with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment.”[2]


On the evening of Nov. 9, Adolf Hitler, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels and other Nazi chiefs planned the attack. Orders went out to Nazi security forces: “All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately. Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire . The Führer wishes that the police does not intervene. All Jews are to be disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot immediately.”[3]


All hell broke loose on Nov. 10: “Nazis Smash, Loot and Burn Jewish Shops and Temples,” a headline read. “One of the first legal measures issued was an order by Heinrich Himmler, commander of all German police, forbidding Jews to possess any weapons whatever and imposing a penalty of twenty years confinement in a concentration camp upon every Jew found in possession of a weapon hereafter.”[4]Thousands of Jews were taken away.

Searches of Jewish homes were calculated to seize firearms and assets and to arrest adult males.

The American Consulate in Stuttgart was flooded with Jews begging for visas: “Men in whose homes old, rusty revolvers had been found during the last few days cried aloud that they did not dare ever again return to their places of residence or business. In fact, it was a mass of seething, panic-stricken humanity.”[5]


Himmler, head of the Nazi terror police, would become an architect of the Holocaust, which consumed 6 million Jews. It was self-evident that the Jews must be disarmed before the extermination could begin.


Finding out which Jews had firearms was not too difficult. The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in 1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners. Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938.



Other European countries also had laws requiring police records to be kept on persons who possessed firearms. When the Nazis took over Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1939, it was a simple matter to identify gun owners. Many of them disappeared in the middle of the night along with political opponents.
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France soon fell, and the same posters threatening the death penalty for possession of a firearm went up everywhere. You can see one today in Paris at the Museum of the Order of the Liberation (Musée de l’Ordre de la Libération). A photograph of the poster is reproduced here, including a translation in the sidebar.


There was a fallacy to the threat. No blank existed on the poster to write in the time and date of posting so one would know when the 24-hour “waiting period” began or ended. Perhaps the Nazis would shoot someone who was an hour late. Indeed, gun owners even without guns were dangerous because they knew how to use guns and tended to be resourceful, independent-minded persons. A Swiss manual on armed resistance stated with such experiences in mind:
“Should you be so trusting and turn over your weapons you will be put on a ‘black list’ in spite of everything. The enemy will always need hostages or forced laborers later on (read: ‘work slaves’) and will gladly make use of the ‘black lists.’ You see once again that you cannot escape his net and had better die fighting. After the deadline, raids coupled with house searches and street checks will be conducted.”[7]

Nazi Repression of Firearms Owners | Stephen P. Halbrook
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France....

Going into World War II, the French citizenry was not particularly well-armed. An 1834 law had banned “war” weapons, essentially restricting civilians to shotguns, hunting-caliber rifles, and some handguns. In 1935, amid violent political upheaval, the government required the registration of non-hunting guns. Meanwhile, a French hunting organization estimated that there were about 3 million hunting guns in the country in 1939, when its population was something like 40 million.
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Collaboration also meant that authorities had easy access to any gun-registration records the French had collected since the 1935 decree.
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Death sentences for mere weapons possession were virtually unheard-of — at first. Things became far worse over the next two years, with executions of gun owners by firing squad ramping up in late 1941. French Jews were rounded up and sent to concentration camps starting the next year; the German occupation then expanded into the southern half of France. French men ages 18 to 20 were ordered to work camps in early 1943, and some fled to the mountains.
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As for the French, “frontal armed resistance against the heavily armed and experienced Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS would have been suicide,” Halbrook concedes. But “guerrilla warfare would have been more of an option with better arms, particularly after D-Day.” The Resistance fought valiantly and helped to liberate Paris and win the war. But it was hamstrung by a lack of equipment — equipment that would have been easier to come by were it not for the 1834 ban on the civilian ownership of “war” weapons and the 1935 registration of non-hunting guns.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018...to World War,registration of non-hunting guns.

 

[2aguy]

Europe didn't ban guns prior to WWII. In fact, Hilter facilitated private gun ownership. So right off the top, you're lying.

On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars

Say the words "gun registration" to many pro-gun Americans and you are likely to hear that one of the first things that Hitler did when he seized power was to impose strict gun registration requirements that enabled him to identify gun owners and then to confiscate all guns, effectively...

scholarship.law.columbia.edu

The EU passed restrictions on gun ownership in 2015.

Yes there is a wave of gang violence in Sweden, but Sweden allows private gun ownership:

Despite high gun ownership, Scandinavia remains largely free of firearm violence

Survivors of Norway’s deadliest massacre are urging the United States to tighten up gun laws to put an end to school shootings. In Sweden, sporadic gang-fueled gun crime just helped install a far-right party in power. Both countries have relatively high levels of firearms ownership but low...

www.pbs.org

Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image

Several passers-by are among those killed in gangland shootings and bombings beyond the big cities.

www.bbc.com

Your gun crime went down??? Where??? When????? You're now screaming that crime is completely out of control throughout the USA. Nobody is safe. Gun sales are spiking!!!!

You can't claim that cime is out of control, and gun crime is down. Both of these things can't be true at the same time. Pick one, which is it?

But your gun deaths and murder rates keep rising especially in red states with lax gun control laws.

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Hereâs Why

Some Republican politicians have used high crime and murder rates as an attack on Democratic lawmakers and the areas they represent, but data shows these rates are actually higher in Republican-led states.

www.forbes.com

Republicans claim Democrats canât keep us safe â crime data disagrees

Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime

www.theguardian.com

Republicans talk tough on crime â but it's worse when they hold power

Crime is much worse in "red states" — and that's been true for years. Why don't Democrats ever just say it?

www.salon.com

You can't claim that cime is out of control, and gun crime is down.

Dipshit....your reading comprehension is really bad....

Crime is out of control.......all across the various democrat party controlled cities....it isn't normal gun owners committing those crimes, it is repeat gun offenders who can't buy, own or carry guns.......who have been arrested over and over and released over and over.....they are released by democrat party judges and prosecutors, over and over again.....

Focus on the actual criminals, leave normal gun owners alone.

 

[Failzero]

Democommie Revisionist History to paint GOP as The Real Gun grabbers is in full swing

 

[Dragonlady]

Dipshit....your reading comprehension is really bad....

Crime is out of control.......all across the various democrat party controlled cities....it isn't normal gun owners committing those crimes, it is repeat gun offenders who can't buy, own or carry guns.......who have been arrested over and over and released over and over.....they are released by democrat party judges and prosecutors, over and over again.....

Focus on the actual criminals, leave normal gun owners alone.

Bullshit. Utter and complete bullshit. Where are your links, asshole? I gave you links, you give me "feelings".

The USA has more people locked up and imprisoned than China and Russia COMBINED.

Crime isn't "out of control ... . . . all across the various democrat party controlled cities . . ", it's out of control in red states and Republican controlled cities.

We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states

Amid a spike in violence, murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states.

thehill.com

Third Way

www.thirdway.org

You can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals because weapons are legally available everywhere. Convicted felons simply get their girlfriends or family members to buy weapons for them. When anybody can get a weapon, you can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Focus on the REAL problem and not your "feelings".

 

[M14 Shooter]

Crime isn't "out of control ... . . . all across the various democrat party controlled cities . . ", it's out of control in red states and Republican controlled cities.

What cities are "controlled" by republicans?
Not just Republican mayors, but Republican mayors and a majority Republican council?
How do the crime rate in those cities compare to

• St. Louis, MO (2,082)
• Detroit, MI (2,057)
• Baltimore, MD (2,027)
• Memphis, TN (2,003)
• Little Rock, AR (1,634)
• Milwaukee, WI (1,597)
• Rockford, IL (1,588)
• Cleveland, OH (1,557)
• Stockton, CA (1,415)
• Albuquerque, NM (1,369)

These, BTW are the top 10 cities for violent crime, and are all blue.
Is crime in these cities -not- "out of control?

You can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals because weapons are legally available everywhere.

Of course they are. We have a right to own and use them, and that right is protected by the constitution.

Convicted felons simply get their girlfriends or family members to buy weapons for them.

And commit a federal felony in doing so.

When anybody can get a weapon, you can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

We will always have a right to own and use them, and that right will always be protected by the constitution.
Looks like you just argued your way into giving up on trying to keep criminals from getting guns.

Focus on the REAL problem and not your "feelings".

The REAL problem isn't the legal availability of guns.

 

[Blaster]

It's growing but it's still light years until Europe's crime and gun violence catches up with America's.

Bullshit

 

[AZrailwhale]

It's growing but it's still light years until Europe's crime and gun violence catches up with America's.

That's the reason why it's still possible to control gun violence in Europe. Them having a 2nd. amendment would make their situation never possible for citizens to live their lives without fear of getting shot dead.

So you think it's possible. Since the gangs using the guns are already committing many crimes daily, how would you go about it? Give to police unlimited rights of search on suspicion of a crime? How about unlimited jail sentences? The gangs are already getting their guns through customs by smuggling them like the drugs they sell so how would you stop that?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Bullshit. Utter and complete bullshit. Where are your links, asshole? I gave you links, you give me "feelings".

The USA has more people locked up and imprisoned than China and Russia COMBINED.

Crime isn't "out of control ... . . . all across the various democrat party controlled cities . . ", it's out of control in red states and Republican controlled cities.

We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states

Amid a spike in violence, murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states.

thehill.com

Third Way

www.thirdway.org

You can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals because weapons are legally available everywhere. Convicted felons simply get their girlfriends or family members to buy weapons for them. When anybody can get a weapon, you can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Focus on the REAL problem and not your "feelings".

That's a very low bar since the penalty for many crimes in China is a 9mm to the back of the head and Russian police operate like American ones did back in the early twentieth century; many criminals are shot trying to escape and never see the inside of a courtroom AND Russian prisons are so brutal that their recidivism rate is pretty low.

 

[Donald H]

The gangs are already getting their guns through customs by smuggling them like the drugs they sell so how would you stop that?

To begin with (and end with) it's not the fault of the guns.

It's the fault of Americans!

China or Russia and all other countries can't be held responsible!

 

[AZrailwhale]

Bullshit. Utter and complete bullshit. Where are your links, asshole? I gave you links, you give me "feelings".

The USA has more people locked up and imprisoned than China and Russia COMBINED.

Crime isn't "out of control ... . . . all across the various democrat party controlled cities . . ", it's out of control in red states and Republican controlled cities.

We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states

Amid a spike in violence, murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states.

thehill.com

Third Way

www.thirdway.org

You can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals because weapons are legally available everywhere. Convicted felons simply get their girlfriends or family members to buy weapons for them. When anybody can get a weapon, you can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Focus on the REAL problem and not your "feelings".

The Swedes, French and British can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals despite most gun possession being illegal in those countries. Let me give you a clue, criminals don't care about anti-gun laws, just like they don't care about anti-rape, anti-theft or anti-assault laws, THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CRIMINALS.

 

[AZrailwhale]

To begin with (and end with) it's not the fault of the guns.

It's the fault of Americans!

China or Russia and all other countries can't be held responsible!

Gee that's a fast about face. You are the one always saying it's not the criminals. it's the guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens that are the problem. What happened, did you get robbed this week?