Guide To The Liberal Mind

[occupied]

All I want is when fucking bankers crash the economy and cause untold misery at least a few of them should be jailed and made as poor as the people they swindled. How is that communism? How is it communism to have extreme distaste at how institutionalized the buying and selling of influence is? How money equals speech and how it talks louder than any number of regular people? No, communism is not hating the plutocrats and their aristocracy, it is as American as apple pie to hate unaccountable power, pity the right forgot that.

Well bankers don't crash the economy. It is a very simple-minded view this is the case. Bankers are capitalists, they operate by the same free market capitalist principles as all other capitalists. You see, you've been systematically brainwashed by Socialists to believe bankers are bad. It just automatically computes in your mind that bankers are these people who have all the money and they won't give it to you and I because they are greedy hoarders who want it all for themselves.

As for swindling people and breaking laws, we DO send people to prison for that. We have all kinds of anti-trust laws, and powerful corrupt people are brought down every single day. You see, it's in the system you advocate that this doesn't happen. Whenever you've turned control over to the central government, those people become the "ruling class" and are forever protected. They don't go to prison for corruption, you never hear about the Enron scandals. There is no buying or selling of influence because the ruling class controls all the power AND money.

In a free society, money does equal speech. Sorry, that's a fact of life in a free society. If I have more money than you, I can buy time on radio and TV, have my speech printed in magazines and newspapers, hire people to go out and speak for me, etc. There is no way to limit that without limiting free speech itself. Now we can do that, but we're cutting off our nose to spite our face. But keep in mind, free speech doesn't mean mind control. Just because someone has the money to put their message out, doesn't mean you have to listen or believe it.

We have a system of government where our representatives are elected by us. If you don't like who is influencing your politician, don't vote for them. You have that power, you also have the power to go out there and campaign against them, convince others to not vote for them. Are you scared to be free man?

It's one thing to ignore a broken system, that's just natural human laziness, it's quite another to defend it as good. The answer to the broken system that leaves us ruled by a defacto aristocracy is to do just what I and many others are doing, setting straight people such as yourself who seem to like having no voice in government policy or foolishly think the interests of billionaires coincide with the rest of us.

your jealousy and envy of successful people is noted.

Have no jealousy or envy for successful white-collar crooks, I just think they should not be allowed to walk around free and enjoy their ill-gotten plunder.

 

[sealybobo]

All I want is when fucking bankers crash the economy and cause untold misery at least a few of them should be jailed and made as poor as the people they swindled. How is that communism? How is it communism to have extreme distaste at how institutionalized the buying and selling of influence is? How money equals speech and how it talks louder than any number of regular people? No, communism is not hating the plutocrats and their aristocracy, it is as American as apple pie to hate unaccountable power, pity the right forgot that.

Well bankers don't crash the economy. It is a very simple-minded view this is the case. Bankers are capitalists, they operate by the same free market capitalist principles as all other capitalists. You see, you've been systematically brainwashed by Socialists to believe bankers are bad. It just automatically computes in your mind that bankers are these people who have all the money and they won't give it to you and I because they are greedy hoarders who want it all for themselves.

As for swindling people and breaking laws, we DO send people to prison for that. We have all kinds of anti-trust laws, and powerful corrupt people are brought down every single day. You see, it's in the system you advocate that this doesn't happen. Whenever you've turned control over to the central government, those people become the "ruling class" and are forever protected. They don't go to prison for corruption, you never hear about the Enron scandals. There is no buying or selling of influence because the ruling class controls all the power AND money.

In a free society, money does equal speech. Sorry, that's a fact of life in a free society. If I have more money than you, I can buy time on radio and TV, have my speech printed in magazines and newspapers, hire people to go out and speak for me, etc. There is no way to limit that without limiting free speech itself. Now we can do that, but we're cutting off our nose to spite our face. But keep in mind, free speech doesn't mean mind control. Just because someone has the money to put their message out, doesn't mean you have to listen or believe it.

We have a system of government where our representatives are elected by us. If you don't like who is influencing your politician, don't vote for them. You have that power, you also have the power to go out there and campaign against them, convince others to not vote for them. Are you scared to be free man?

It's one thing to ignore a broken system, that's just natural human laziness, it's quite another to defend it as good. The answer to the broken system that leaves us ruled by a defacto aristocracy is to do just what I and many others are doing, setting straight people such as yourself who seem to like having no voice in government policy or foolishly think the interests of billionaires coincide with the rest of us.

your jealousy and envy of successful people is noted.

The GOP has you brainwashed with that jealousy shit. When men organized into unions, were they jealous or did they want their fair share of the profits?

Yes I am a little jealous that the rich can pay off my politician to vote against me and side with their greedy ass policies. The Koch Brothers come to mind.

The Bush tax breaks should have never happened. Hell, we should roll back the Reagan tax breaks too. Fix NAFTA, tariff companies that don't come back home, invest in new start ups to compete with the companies that moved abroad. Unionize labor again. Undo Citizens United.

You guys want to cry like pussies CLASS WARFARE when we fight back from the war the rich have waged on us, and they are clearly winning. You want to call us socialists just because we don't like full blown Libertarianism.

Do you admit that between Democrats and Libertarians there is something in the middle? Not 100% free market unregulated capitalism? Or are you one of those who wants to privatize EVERYTHING? Because if you are I can't even talk to you.

 

[mudwhistle]

Not only do you need a mind but the ability to write coherently would be an essential requirement too.

But this does raise an interesting question. Why do those least qualified to write on a topic believe that they should tackle the subject matter? Isn't one of the basic premises that books are written by those who actually have a grasp of the subject matter concerned? Instead we have clueless buffoons who believe that they are "experts" spouting utter gibberish to their equally uninformed audiences.

The OP should start with something more within his own range of "expertise". The 'Dummy's Guide to Pretentious Obliviousness' would be an appropriate topic for the OP since that covers all of his threads to date.

I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else. Make sure to use lots of big words so they''ll be impressed.

The extreme right derides education because it cannot compete. Their low self esteem is their problem. Ignorance can be cured through education but stupidity is a life sentence.

Only a liberal could write a position which is self-refuting. Liberals complain that the Right can't compete while at the same time complaining that the Right has won the economic competition and has too much money.

Libtards are jealous because the rich r smart enough to get rich, they aren't.

I have read so many ignorant right wing posts I don't know where to begin. I try to kiss republicans. Keep It Simple Stupid.

There are a lot of smart rich liberals out there. I remember one guy saying the smartest guys he knew were out there on the union shop floor because at least they were smart enough to insist on a fair share of the profits.

Notice a lot of celebs are liberal? That's because they weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths.

And the rich you defend isn't the rich person who got rich because they were smarter or worked harder. We have a problem with old money in this country. They don't work for their money. Like Romney, they make their money on investments and by ruining companies. American workers cost too much so they shipped those jobs overseas. The rich in this country don't care about America. That's why our government has to defend the worker. If you don't get that, go start a libertarian country somewhere and see how that works out for ya.

America from 1950-2000 had the greatest middle class the world had ever seen. Republicans don't defend NAFTA, they just come back with "Clinton signed it". What a cop out. Republicans blamed unions for why companies were going overseas. Well of course when you can go from $25 hr to $5 a day, of course! I don't want to get distracted and go off on a tangent. What happened? As the union jobs went away and the Walmart jobs moved in, middle class America took a huge blow. Many today who think they are middle class are barely above the poverty line.

Long story short is we need some of the money the rich stole from us with those tax breaks. And we need to strengthen social security. The GOP blame the poor when they themselves PURPOSELY bankrupted the government. Not the poor, but the PENTAGON. Corporate tax breaks so that GE basically doesn't pay any taxes. Letting companies offshore their profits.

Do I really need to go on? You dumb ass middle class republicans are so fucking stupid I don't know why I even bother. That's why I stay in the Religion thread where I can attack the source of your stupidity. The fact you believe in an invisible man tells me you'll believe anything your politician/preacher says. You are fucking sheep. Us liberals follow no one unless they make sense. Like John Stewart, Bill Maher or Colbert. Where is the GOP's version of Colbert? He doesn't exist. Why? Because all the GOP spokespeople are liars and assholes. Ann Coulter's of the world. *****. LOL You are a ****. LOL

You actually believe that nonsense. Amazing.

Oh, and any conservative woman is a **** to you. So much for the Republican war on women.....

 

[Valerie]

"There are a lot of smart rich liberals out there."

"The rich in this country don't care about America."

"Do I really need to go on?"

no!

 

[Valerie]

"You dumb ass middle class republicans are so fucking stupid I don't know why I even bother.
That's why I stay in the Religion thread where I can attack the source of your stupidity."

 

[regent]

Liberals founded this nation

What were they thinking?

the founders were not liberals. they were libertarian constitutionalists.

They were actually classical liberals. The concept of self-governing under a constitution allowing freedom was a very liberal concept in their time. Liberalism today has nothing to do with classical liberalism. Today's Liberal is basically a Communist Socialist or Marxist. The closest thing we have today to what the founding fathers were is the libertarian segment of the Tea Party. I say this with all due respect to people like Hamilton, who was a prime example of their diversification. The founding fathers, like politicians today, did not all fit into one mold.

Utter nonsense since the FF did not espouse libertarian principles or set up the constitution to support them.

The framers of the Constitution created a government with tremendous powers compared to the governments they were replacing. The framers were of different political persuasions but they were intent on creating a stronger national government at the expense of the state governments. The framers template for government at that time was from the Age of Enlightenment, even as Jefferson had written it in the Declaration of Independence. Pure and simple liberalism.

total horseshit. are you saying that the government of the USA in 1776 had more power than the monarchy in England in 1776?

the purpose of the constitution was to limit the power of the federal government, not expand it.

Just checking on your knowledge of history and rated you a D student. What governments did the Constitution of 1787 replace?

 

[sealybobo]

I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else. Make sure to use lots of big words so they''ll be impressed.

The extreme right derides education because it cannot compete. Their low self esteem is their problem. Ignorance can be cured through education but stupidity is a life sentence.

Only a liberal could write a position which is self-refuting. Liberals complain that the Right can't compete while at the same time complaining that the Right has won the economic competition and has too much money.

Libtards are jealous because the rich r smart enough to get rich, they aren't.

I have read so many ignorant right wing posts I don't know where to begin. I try to kiss republicans. Keep It Simple Stupid.

There are a lot of smart rich liberals out there. I remember one guy saying the smartest guys he knew were out there on the union shop floor because at least they were smart enough to insist on a fair share of the profits.

Notice a lot of celebs are liberal? That's because they weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths.

And the rich you defend isn't the rich person who got rich because they were smarter or worked harder. We have a problem with old money in this country. They don't work for their money. Like Romney, they make their money on investments and by ruining companies. American workers cost too much so they shipped those jobs overseas. The rich in this country don't care about America. That's why our government has to defend the worker. If you don't get that, go start a libertarian country somewhere and see how that works out for ya.

America from 1950-2000 had the greatest middle class the world had ever seen. Republicans don't defend NAFTA, they just come back with "Clinton signed it". What a cop out. Republicans blamed unions for why companies were going overseas. Well of course when you can go from $25 hr to $5 a day, of course! I don't want to get distracted and go off on a tangent. What happened? As the union jobs went away and the Walmart jobs moved in, middle class America took a huge blow. Many today who think they are middle class are barely above the poverty line.

Long story short is we need some of the money the rich stole from us with those tax breaks. And we need to strengthen social security. The GOP blame the poor when they themselves PURPOSELY bankrupted the government. Not the poor, but the PENTAGON. Corporate tax breaks so that GE basically doesn't pay any taxes. Letting companies offshore their profits.

Do I really need to go on? You dumb ass middle class republicans are so fucking stupid I don't know why I even bother. That's why I stay in the Religion thread where I can attack the source of your stupidity. The fact you believe in an invisible man tells me you'll believe anything your politician/preacher says. You are fucking sheep. Us liberals follow no one unless they make sense. Like John Stewart, Bill Maher or Colbert. Where is the GOP's version of Colbert? He doesn't exist. Why? Because all the GOP spokespeople are liars and assholes. Ann Coulter's of the world. *****. LOL You are a ****. LOL

You actually believe that nonsense. Amazing.

Oh, and any conservative woman is a **** to you. So much for the Republican war on women.....

Yup. Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, every GOP congressman's wife like McCain's rich **** wife. Even he calls her a ****. Rich spoiled bitches. Mitt Romney's wife? ****. LOL.

But I love Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Jennifer Granholm, Randi Rhodes, who's that lesbian on MSNBC?

 

[mudwhistle]

The extreme right derides education because it cannot compete. Their low self esteem is their problem. Ignorance can be cured through education but stupidity is a life sentence.

Only a liberal could write a position which is self-refuting. Liberals complain that the Right can't compete while at the same time complaining that the Right has won the economic competition and has too much money.

Libtards are jealous because the rich r smart enough to get rich, they aren't.

I have read so many ignorant right wing posts I don't know where to begin. I try to kiss republicans. Keep It Simple Stupid.

There are a lot of smart rich liberals out there. I remember one guy saying the smartest guys he knew were out there on the union shop floor because at least they were smart enough to insist on a fair share of the profits.

Notice a lot of celebs are liberal? That's because they weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths.

And the rich you defend isn't the rich person who got rich because they were smarter or worked harder. We have a problem with old money in this country. They don't work for their money. Like Romney, they make their money on investments and by ruining companies. American workers cost too much so they shipped those jobs overseas. The rich in this country don't care about America. That's why our government has to defend the worker. If you don't get that, go start a libertarian country somewhere and see how that works out for ya.

America from 1950-2000 had the greatest middle class the world had ever seen. Republicans don't defend NAFTA, they just come back with "Clinton signed it". What a cop out. Republicans blamed unions for why companies were going overseas. Well of course when you can go from $25 hr to $5 a day, of course! I don't want to get distracted and go off on a tangent. What happened? As the union jobs went away and the Walmart jobs moved in, middle class America took a huge blow. Many today who think they are middle class are barely above the poverty line.

Long story short is we need some of the money the rich stole from us with those tax breaks. And we need to strengthen social security. The GOP blame the poor when they themselves PURPOSELY bankrupted the government. Not the poor, but the PENTAGON. Corporate tax breaks so that GE basically doesn't pay any taxes. Letting companies offshore their profits.

Do I really need to go on? You dumb ass middle class republicans are so fucking stupid I don't know why I even bother. That's why I stay in the Religion thread where I can attack the source of your stupidity. The fact you believe in an invisible man tells me you'll believe anything your politician/preacher says. You are fucking sheep. Us liberals follow no one unless they make sense. Like John Stewart, Bill Maher or Colbert. Where is the GOP's version of Colbert? He doesn't exist. Why? Because all the GOP spokespeople are liars and assholes. Ann Coulter's of the world. *****. LOL You are a ****. LOL

You actually believe that nonsense. Amazing.

Oh, and any conservative woman is a **** to you. So much for the Republican war on women.....

Yup. Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, every GOP congressman's wife like McCain's rich **** wife. Even he calls her a ****. Rich spoiled bitches. Mitt Romney's wife? ****. LOL.

But I love Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Jennifer Granholm, Randi Rhodes, who's that lesbian on MSNBC?

Rachel Maddow.

 

[Friends]

in your mind you are right and liberalism is the only legitimate approach to anything. Those who oppose you are constructing straw men and logical fallacies and your trumped up statistics prove it all.

You reveal poor reading comprehension. I stated that the sexual revolution was unfortunate. However, because there is little the U.S. government can to to influence sexual behavior the sexual revolution has not been a political issue.

I am disappointed with the black response to the civil rights legislation that was passed during the 1960's. I think the War on Poverty was probably a mistake. I think the decline in the prison population during the 1960's was clearly a mistake. The crime rate doubled during that decade. Since Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 the prison population has tripled. The crime rate has declined by one third.

http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/lawenforcement/punishment.pdf

United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2012

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Liberals founded this nation

What were they thinking?

I can tell you what they weren't thinking. They weren't thinking that in the Twentieth Century that progressive statists like you would be called liberals in the parlance of popular culture.

 

[Friends]

you toss out a cherry-picked statistic about the Dow and presidents, then defend Keynesian economics...

If ANY president had the power and ability to control actual economic prosperity, would we ever see bad economic conditions happen? .

My "cherry picked statistic" about the better performance of the stock market under Democratic presidents comes from The Wall Street Journal.

What an Obama Win May Mean for Stocks - MarketBeat - WSJ

The Wall Street Journal has also reported that from the presidencies of Harry Truman to that of George W. Bush there have nearly always been more jobs created per year under Democratic presidents.

Bush On Jobs The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Now, let me address your point about presidents having "the power and ability to control academic prosperity."

I believe that Republican leaders like a fairly high degree of unemployment because it relieves employers of the need to compete for employees.

Their economic policies harm the stock market, because they are based on the dogmas of classical economics. Karl Marx pointed out that the natural tendency of unregulated capitalism is to accumulate wealth at the top, and to experience increasingly destructive economic downturns. That is just exactly what did happen until the adoption of Keynesian economic policies during the Roosevelt administration.

http://www.nber.org/cycles.html

Keynesian economic policies increase average incomes by raising the minimum wage, and strengthening labor unions. They also raise taxes on the well to do, and spread the wealth around. Consequently, aggregate demand increases. Consumption increases. This encourages employers in the private sector to hire more people to produce and sell what is consumed.

 

[Friends]

there are quite a few parallels between Mao, Hitler, Chavez, Pol Pot, and Obama. We ignore them at our risk.

A false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects.
False analogy - RationalWiki

 

[sealybobo]

Only a liberal could write a position which is self-refuting. Liberals complain that the Right can't compete while at the same time complaining that the Right has won the economic competition and has too much money.

Libtards are jealous because the rich r smart enough to get rich, they aren't.

I have read so many ignorant right wing posts I don't know where to begin. I try to kiss republicans. Keep It Simple Stupid.

There are a lot of smart rich liberals out there. I remember one guy saying the smartest guys he knew were out there on the union shop floor because at least they were smart enough to insist on a fair share of the profits.

Notice a lot of celebs are liberal? That's because they weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths.

And the rich you defend isn't the rich person who got rich because they were smarter or worked harder. We have a problem with old money in this country. They don't work for their money. Like Romney, they make their money on investments and by ruining companies. American workers cost too much so they shipped those jobs overseas. The rich in this country don't care about America. That's why our government has to defend the worker. If you don't get that, go start a libertarian country somewhere and see how that works out for ya.

America from 1950-2000 had the greatest middle class the world had ever seen. Republicans don't defend NAFTA, they just come back with "Clinton signed it". What a cop out. Republicans blamed unions for why companies were going overseas. Well of course when you can go from $25 hr to $5 a day, of course! I don't want to get distracted and go off on a tangent. What happened? As the union jobs went away and the Walmart jobs moved in, middle class America took a huge blow. Many today who think they are middle class are barely above the poverty line.

Long story short is we need some of the money the rich stole from us with those tax breaks. And we need to strengthen social security. The GOP blame the poor when they themselves PURPOSELY bankrupted the government. Not the poor, but the PENTAGON. Corporate tax breaks so that GE basically doesn't pay any taxes. Letting companies offshore their profits.

Do I really need to go on? You dumb ass middle class republicans are so fucking stupid I don't know why I even bother. That's why I stay in the Religion thread where I can attack the source of your stupidity. The fact you believe in an invisible man tells me you'll believe anything your politician/preacher says. You are fucking sheep. Us liberals follow no one unless they make sense. Like John Stewart, Bill Maher or Colbert. Where is the GOP's version of Colbert? He doesn't exist. Why? Because all the GOP spokespeople are liars and assholes. Ann Coulter's of the world. *****. LOL You are a ****. LOL

You actually believe that nonsense. Amazing.

Oh, and any conservative woman is a **** to you. So much for the Republican war on women.....

Yup. Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, every GOP congressman's wife like McCain's rich **** wife. Even he calls her a ****. Rich spoiled bitches. Mitt Romney's wife? ****. LOL.

But I love Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Jennifer Granholm, Randi Rhodes, who's that lesbian on MSNBC?

Rachel Maddow.

Thanks. Bottom line is this. When the people of America get sick enough of it, they'll start showing up to vote. The right wing politicians rely on low voter turn out and they get it every midterm. So the American people get what they deserve. How many union guys in Michigan voted Republican and now we're a right to work state? Dummies. Ignorant arrogant Americans.

The rich that rule our country know not to make too many of us poor or make us all too poor. Every middle class American took a step back because of Bushanomics but they blame Clinton, Freddy, Fanny, Harry Reid, Obama, anyone but the real culprits who were the Mortgage Giants, Bankers and Wallstreet. They've even been found guilty but have the right wing defenders ever admitted they were wrong? NEVER

 

[sealybobo]

you toss out a cherry-picked statistic about the Dow and presidents, then defend Keynesian economics...

If ANY president had the power and ability to control actual economic prosperity, would we ever see bad economic conditions happen? .

My "cherry picked statistic" about the better performance of the stock market under Democratic presidents comes from The Wall Street Journal.

What an Obama Win May Mean for Stocks - MarketBeat - WSJ

The Wall Street Journal has also reported that from the presidencies of Harry Truman to that of George W. Bush there have nearly always been more jobs created per year under Democratic presidents.

Bush On Jobs The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Now, let me address your point about presidents having "the power and ability to control academic prosperity."

I believe that Republican leaders like a fairly high degree of unemployment because it relieves employers of the need to compete for employees.

Their economic policies harm the stock market, because they are based on the dogmas of classical economics. Karl Marx pointed out that the natural tendency of unregulated capitalism is to accumulate wealth at the top, and to experience increasingly destructive economic downturns. That is just exactly what did happen until the adoption of Keynesian economic policies during the Roosevelt administration.

http://www.nber.org/cycles.html

Keynesian economic policies increase average incomes by raising the minimum wage, and strengthening labor unions. They also raise taxes on the well to do, and spread the wealth around. Consequently, aggregate demand increases. Consumption increases. This encourages employers in the private sector to hire more people to produce and sell what is consumed.

Shorten this and keep it simple because it is sooo true what you are saying and somehow the righties just ignore the facts and keep on arguing for trickle down even though we've clearly went way too far with the tax breaks for the rich concept.

And they have to admit that whoever they run in the midterms or general election that righty is going to be just like GW Bush who got us in the mess we are in. The GOP obstructed Obama and now want to be rewarded that he didn't do a good enough job, so no we have to go back to what broke us in the first place?

Are the American people that dumb? They are. Why? Because they won't show up this November. They will in 2016 but midterms are how the rich keep their control over our democracy.

 

[mudwhistle]

Libtards are jealous because the rich r smart enough to get rich, they aren't.

I have read so many ignorant right wing posts I don't know where to begin. I try to kiss republicans. Keep It Simple Stupid.

There are a lot of smart rich liberals out there. I remember one guy saying the smartest guys he knew were out there on the union shop floor because at least they were smart enough to insist on a fair share of the profits.

Notice a lot of celebs are liberal? That's because they weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths.

And the rich you defend isn't the rich person who got rich because they were smarter or worked harder. We have a problem with old money in this country. They don't work for their money. Like Romney, they make their money on investments and by ruining companies. American workers cost too much so they shipped those jobs overseas. The rich in this country don't care about America. That's why our government has to defend the worker. If you don't get that, go start a libertarian country somewhere and see how that works out for ya.

America from 1950-2000 had the greatest middle class the world had ever seen. Republicans don't defend NAFTA, they just come back with "Clinton signed it". What a cop out. Republicans blamed unions for why companies were going overseas. Well of course when you can go from $25 hr to $5 a day, of course! I don't want to get distracted and go off on a tangent. What happened? As the union jobs went away and the Walmart jobs moved in, middle class America took a huge blow. Many today who think they are middle class are barely above the poverty line.

Long story short is we need some of the money the rich stole from us with those tax breaks. And we need to strengthen social security. The GOP blame the poor when they themselves PURPOSELY bankrupted the government. Not the poor, but the PENTAGON. Corporate tax breaks so that GE basically doesn't pay any taxes. Letting companies offshore their profits.

Do I really need to go on? You dumb ass middle class republicans are so fucking stupid I don't know why I even bother. That's why I stay in the Religion thread where I can attack the source of your stupidity. The fact you believe in an invisible man tells me you'll believe anything your politician/preacher says. You are fucking sheep. Us liberals follow no one unless they make sense. Like John Stewart, Bill Maher or Colbert. Where is the GOP's version of Colbert? He doesn't exist. Why? Because all the GOP spokespeople are liars and assholes. Ann Coulter's of the world. *****. LOL You are a ****. LOL

You actually believe that nonsense. Amazing.

Oh, and any conservative woman is a **** to you. So much for the Republican war on women.....

Yup. Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, every GOP congressman's wife like McCain's rich **** wife. Even he calls her a ****. Rich spoiled bitches. Mitt Romney's wife? ****. LOL.

But I love Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Jennifer Granholm, Randi Rhodes, who's that lesbian on MSNBC?

Rachel Maddow.

Thanks. Bottom line is this. When the people of America get sick enough of it, they'll start showing up to vote. The right wing politicians rely on low voter turn out and they get it every midterm. So the American people get what they deserve. How many union guys in Michigan voted Republican and now we're a right to work state? Dummies. Ignorant arrogant Americans.

The rich that rule our country know not to make too many of us poor or make us all too poor. Every middle class American took a step back because of Bushanomics but they blame Clinton, Freddy, Fanny, Harry Reid, Obama, anyone but the real culprits who were the Mortgage Giants, Bankers and Wallstreet. They've even been found guilty but have the right wing defenders ever admitted they were wrong? NEVER

I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around.
The GOP supports businesses. How evil of them. Democrats support unions which are deadset on punishing businesses. Businesses provide jobs. Unions chase away businesses. Businesses want a profit. How evil can you get.

 

[AmericanFirst]

you toss out a cherry-picked statistic about the Dow and presidents, then defend Keynesian economics...

If ANY president had the power and ability to control actual economic prosperity, would we ever see bad economic conditions happen? .

My "cherry picked statistic" about the better performance of the stock market under Democratic presidents comes from The Wall Street Journal.

What an Obama Win May Mean for Stocks - MarketBeat - WSJ

The Wall Street Journal has also reported that from the presidencies of Harry Truman to that of George W. Bush there have nearly always been more jobs created per year under Democratic presidents.

Bush On Jobs The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Now, let me address your point about presidents having "the power and ability to control academic prosperity."

I believe that Republican leaders like a fairly high degree of unemployment because it relieves employers of the need to compete for employees.

Their economic policies harm the stock market, because they are based on the dogmas of classical economics. Karl Marx pointed out that the natural tendency of unregulated capitalism is to accumulate wealth at the top, and to experience increasingly destructive economic downturns. That is just exactly what did happen until the adoption of Keynesian economic policies during the Roosevelt administration.

http://www.nber.org/cycles.html

Keynesian economic policies increase average incomes by raising the minimum wage, and strengthening labor unions. They also raise taxes on the well to do, and spread the wealth around. Consequently, aggregate demand increases. Consumption increases. This encourages employers in the private sector to hire more people to produce and sell what is consumed.

Shorten this and keep it simple because it is sooo true what you are saying and somehow the righties just ignore the facts and keep on arguing for trickle down even though we've clearly went way too far with the tax breaks for the rich concept.

And they have to admit that whoever they run in the midterms or general election that righty is going to be just like GW Bush who got us in the mess we are in. The GOP obstructed Obama and now want to be rewarded that he didn't do a good enough job, so no we have to go back to what broke us in the first place?

Are the American people that dumb? They are. Why? Because they won't show up this November. They will in 2016 but midterms are how the rich keep their control over our democracy.

I should not be surprised a libtard could talk so much and say nothing. Simple republicans back big business, commies back liberals. I would rather back big business.

 

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I have read so many ignorant right wing posts I don't know where to begin. I try to kiss republicans. Keep It Simple Stupid.

There are a lot of smart rich liberals out there. I remember one guy saying the smartest guys he knew were out there on the union shop floor because at least they were smart enough to insist on a fair share of the profits.

Notice a lot of celebs are liberal? That's because they weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths.

And the rich you defend isn't the rich person who got rich because they were smarter or worked harder. We have a problem with old money in this country. They don't work for their money. Like Romney, they make their money on investments and by ruining companies. American workers cost too much so they shipped those jobs overseas. The rich in this country don't care about America. That's why our government has to defend the worker. If you don't get that, go start a libertarian country somewhere and see how that works out for ya.

America from 1950-2000 had the greatest middle class the world had ever seen. Republicans don't defend NAFTA, they just come back with "Clinton signed it". What a cop out. Republicans blamed unions for why companies were going overseas. Well of course when you can go from $25 hr to $5 a day, of course! I don't want to get distracted and go off on a tangent. What happened? As the union jobs went away and the Walmart jobs moved in, middle class America took a huge blow. Many today who think they are middle class are barely above the poverty line.

Long story short is we need some of the money the rich stole from us with those tax breaks. And we need to strengthen social security. The GOP blame the poor when they themselves PURPOSELY bankrupted the government. Not the poor, but the PENTAGON. Corporate tax breaks so that GE basically doesn't pay any taxes. Letting companies offshore their profits.

Do I really need to go on? You dumb ass middle class republicans are so fucking stupid I don't know why I even bother. That's why I stay in the Religion thread where I can attack the source of your stupidity. The fact you believe in an invisible man tells me you'll believe anything your politician/preacher says. You are fucking sheep. Us liberals follow no one unless they make sense. Like John Stewart, Bill Maher or Colbert. Where is the GOP's version of Colbert? He doesn't exist. Why? Because all the GOP spokespeople are liars and assholes. Ann Coulter's of the world. *****. LOL You are a ****. LOL

You actually believe that nonsense. Amazing.

Oh, and any conservative woman is a **** to you. So much for the Republican war on women.....

Yup. Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, every GOP congressman's wife like McCain's rich **** wife. Even he calls her a ****. Rich spoiled bitches. Mitt Romney's wife? ****. LOL.

But I love Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Jennifer Granholm, Randi Rhodes, who's that lesbian on MSNBC?

Rachel Maddow.

Thanks. Bottom line is this. When the people of America get sick enough of it, they'll start showing up to vote. The right wing politicians rely on low voter turn out and they get it every midterm. So the American people get what they deserve. How many union guys in Michigan voted Republican and now we're a right to work state? Dummies. Ignorant arrogant Americans.

The rich that rule our country know not to make too many of us poor or make us all too poor. Every middle class American took a step back because of Bushanomics but they blame Clinton, Freddy, Fanny, Harry Reid, Obama, anyone but the real culprits who were the Mortgage Giants, Bankers and Wallstreet. They've even been found guilty but have the right wing defenders ever admitted they were wrong? NEVER

I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around.
The GOP supports businesses. How evil of them. Democrats support unions which are deadset on punishing businesses. Businesses provide jobs. Unions chase away businesses. Businesses want a profit. How evil can you get.

Getting third-world slave labor to make your useless gadget is pretty bad, making our working class compete with slave labor is worse, getting Americans to accept their new serfdom without complaint is pure evil.

 

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you toss out a cherry-picked statistic about the Dow and presidents, then defend Keynesian economics...

If ANY president had the power and ability to control actual economic prosperity, would we ever see bad economic conditions happen? .

My "cherry picked statistic" about the better performance of the stock market under Democratic presidents comes from The Wall Street Journal.

What an Obama Win May Mean for Stocks - MarketBeat - WSJ

The Wall Street Journal has also reported that from the presidencies of Harry Truman to that of George W. Bush there have nearly always been more jobs created per year under Democratic presidents.

Bush On Jobs The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Now, let me address your point about presidents having "the power and ability to control academic prosperity."

I believe that Republican leaders like a fairly high degree of unemployment because it relieves employers of the need to compete for employees.

Their economic policies harm the stock market, because they are based on the dogmas of classical economics. Karl Marx pointed out that the natural tendency of unregulated capitalism is to accumulate wealth at the top, and to experience increasingly destructive economic downturns. That is just exactly what did happen until the adoption of Keynesian economic policies during the Roosevelt administration.

http://www.nber.org/cycles.html

Keynesian economic policies increase average incomes by raising the minimum wage, and strengthening labor unions. They also raise taxes on the well to do, and spread the wealth around. Consequently, aggregate demand increases. Consumption increases. This encourages employers in the private sector to hire more people to produce and sell what is consumed.

Shorten this and keep it simple because it is sooo true what you are saying and somehow the righties just ignore the facts and keep on arguing for trickle down even though we've clearly went way too far with the tax breaks for the rich concept.

And they have to admit that whoever they run in the midterms or general election that righty is going to be just like GW Bush who got us in the mess we are in. The GOP obstructed Obama and now want to be rewarded that he didn't do a good enough job, so no we have to go back to what broke us in the first place?

Are the American people that dumb? They are. Why? Because they won't show up this November. They will in 2016 but midterms are how the rich keep their control over our democracy.

I should not be surprised a libtard could talk so much and say nothing. Simple republicans back big business, commies back liberals. I would rather back big business.

Big business destroys small business by gobbling them up or running them into the ground, that's what republicans back.

 

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you toss out a cherry-picked statistic about the Dow and presidents, then defend Keynesian economics...

If ANY president had the power and ability to control actual economic prosperity, would we ever see bad economic conditions happen? .

My "cherry picked statistic" about the better performance of the stock market under Democratic presidents comes from The Wall Street Journal.

What an Obama Win May Mean for Stocks - MarketBeat - WSJ

The Wall Street Journal has also reported that from the presidencies of Harry Truman to that of George W. Bush there have nearly always been more jobs created per year under Democratic presidents.

Bush On Jobs The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Now, let me address your point about presidents having "the power and ability to control academic prosperity."

I believe that Republican leaders like a fairly high degree of unemployment because it relieves employers of the need to compete for employees.

Their economic policies harm the stock market, because they are based on the dogmas of classical economics. Karl Marx pointed out that the natural tendency of unregulated capitalism is to accumulate wealth at the top, and to experience increasingly destructive economic downturns. That is just exactly what did happen until the adoption of Keynesian economic policies during the Roosevelt administration.

http://www.nber.org/cycles.html

Keynesian economic policies increase average incomes by raising the minimum wage, and strengthening labor unions. They also raise taxes on the well to do, and spread the wealth around. Consequently, aggregate demand increases. Consumption increases. This encourages employers in the private sector to hire more people to produce and sell what is consumed.

Shorten this and keep it simple because it is sooo true what you are saying and somehow the righties just ignore the facts and keep on arguing for trickle down even though we've clearly went way too far with the tax breaks for the rich concept.

And they have to admit that whoever they run in the midterms or general election that righty is going to be just like GW Bush who got us in the mess we are in. The GOP obstructed Obama and now want to be rewarded that he didn't do a good enough job, so no we have to go back to what broke us in the first place?

Are the American people that dumb? They are. Why? Because they won't show up this November. They will in 2016 but midterms are how the rich keep their control over our democracy.

I should not be surprised a libtard could talk so much and say nothing. Simple republicans back big business, commies back liberals. I would rather back big business.

Big business destroys small business by gobbling them up or running them into the ground, that's what republicans back.

Commies, illegal aliens and muslims destroy America that is why dimwits support them.

 

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You actually believe that nonsense. Amazing.

Oh, and any conservative woman is a **** to you. So much for the Republican war on women.....

Yup. Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, every GOP congressman's wife like McCain's rich **** wife. Even he calls her a ****. Rich spoiled bitches. Mitt Romney's wife? ****. LOL.

But I love Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Jennifer Granholm, Randi Rhodes, who's that lesbian on MSNBC?

Rachel Maddow.

Thanks. Bottom line is this. When the people of America get sick enough of it, they'll start showing up to vote. The right wing politicians rely on low voter turn out and they get it every midterm. So the American people get what they deserve. How many union guys in Michigan voted Republican and now we're a right to work state? Dummies. Ignorant arrogant Americans.

The rich that rule our country know not to make too many of us poor or make us all too poor. Every middle class American took a step back because of Bushanomics but they blame Clinton, Freddy, Fanny, Harry Reid, Obama, anyone but the real culprits who were the Mortgage Giants, Bankers and Wallstreet. They've even been found guilty but have the right wing defenders ever admitted they were wrong? NEVER

I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around.
The GOP supports businesses. How evil of them. Democrats support unions which are deadset on punishing businesses. Businesses provide jobs. Unions chase away businesses. Businesses want a profit. How evil can you get.

Getting third-world slave labor to make your useless gadget is pretty bad, making our working class compete with slave labor is worse, getting Americans to accept their new serfdom without complaint is pure evil.

That's just another way of condemning job creation.