Guess what Republicans? We really need the Dept of Education, EPA and Energy

[Foxfyre]

Often a new program or department does serve a useful purpose. Contrary to what our liberal friends would have us believe, conservatives do not want contaminated soil, dirty air, polluted water, or destruction of beauty, wildlife, forests, etc. And I am pretty sure every single one of us approved cleaning up toxic dump sites, polluted waterways, and controlling emissions from those smoking factories. Conservatives want the best possible schools for their children and they want clean, efficient, effective, affordable, and plentiful energy supplies.

But there comes a time when a government bureaucracy is no long doing just what it was created to do but begins to grow itself and develop a huge appetite for taxpayer money and for power. Sooner or later they begin to exist for their own sakes and they focus on looking for ways to make those who love big government think they are doing something constructive so that their budgets will be expanded and they will become ever more powerful and invasive into more and more that generates even bigger budgets.

And sooner or later they aren't doing their jobs any more but they are actually hurting the people they were created to serve.

That has happened to Energy, Education, Commerce, and the EPA. It is time to pull the plug on all of them and start over with small efficient effective programs that actually are serving the needs of the people.

 

[rdean]

What could be worse than closing down key agencies at critical points in our history?

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

1. Send education to the states so they can bring God into the discussion and balance back to science.

2. China is dirty and look at all the employed they have. The highest rate of birth defects in the world is a small price to pay.

3. Department of Energy inspects our nuclear facilities and supports national labs. Who needs 'em?

 

[whitehall]

What could be worse than closing down key agencies at critical points in our history?

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

Guess what radical lefties? American children are falling woefully behind outher countries ...because of the Dept Education.
America is in hock to China because of the EPA's radical views about the fake science of GW.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What could be worse than closing down key agencies at critical points in our history?

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

3 words to end the thread.....

NO WE DON'T

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Anyone old enough to remember how out of control pollution was prior to the EPA is not on board with destroying our ability to regulate polluters. It was absolutely awful, Toxic dumps littered the landscape, rivers regularly caught fire, black smoke poured from smoke stacks and exhaust pipes. We would be fools to allow that again.

Any proposed regulations by the EPA should have to be approved by Congress before they are enacted. They have a become a renegade agency that is over reaching and unaccountable. They are not an elected body by the people and should not be given carte blanche to do what ever they please.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The US isn't ranked that badly in education, worldwide. Around 14th place.

The interesting thing is that all of the other countries that are doing better than us have much stronger centralized education systems then we do.

The claim that "privatizing" or "de-regulating" education will somehow make it better is moronic.

 

[Listening]

And do you know what Conservatives said?

Think of the lost jobs if we have to clean up our own mess

I worked at a chemical manufacturing site where many of the younger engineers were deeply concerned with the environment. We frequently had to take the EPA into our plants for inspection of specific emmission points. We'd walk right past things that should have been much higher on their radar but were not because it wasn't in some manual or law somewhere. Thank goodness the company was good enough to self regulate.

But we could (yes could) have legally poured all kinds of stuff into the atmosphere. But didn't. But the EPA was there to inspect things like emissions from footing excavations (had to have an air permit if you were going more that two feet down....now that was useful) on schedule.

Sooo.... you're saying there needs to be stronger regulations then? I agree!

Yes, that is just what I didn't say.

What I said was that despite it's big budget, it wasn't doing jack to really make sure things were where they needed to be.

And they never will.....air permits for foundation excavations ? How stupid was that ?

 

[Listening]

The US isn't ranked that badly in education, worldwide. Around 14th place.

The interesting thing is that all of the other countries that are doing better than us have much stronger centralized education systems then we do.

The claim that "privatizing" or "de-regulating" education will somehow make it better is moronic.

It would be great to have someone describe how those systems work.

From what I recall they tended to not force everyone into the same fit an they don't dump their emotionally damaged kids into the schools as a cheap way of dealing with them.

It is obvious that our Dept of Education isn't so strong and should go away in favor of something else. Like state run depts of education where states can decide for themselves just how strong an educatoin they want to provide.

What is moronic is to continue to allow this dept to exist when it does not serve kids at all.

 

[Rocko]

What do we need the pesky EPA for. We needs lots of chemicals and raw sewage in our water. And lots of chemicals in the air we breathe as well.
Rivers catching on fire were entertaining.
And who needs to swim or eat fish anyway.

How can people get so stupid. Doing away with the EPA? A prime example though of a failed education system.

That would be getting rid of the federal EPA.

States can do what they like.

How does that jive with your education ?

The environment belongs to everyone. There is no way to contain pollution from one state from flowing to another state

Every State in the Union has their own version of the EPA, Department of energy, and Department of education. That suffices.

These are parasite bureaucracies that do more harm than good. We need a more constitutional government, and we need these departments gone.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The US isn't ranked that badly in education, worldwide. Around 14th place.

The interesting thing is that all of the other countries that are doing better than us have much stronger centralized education systems then we do.

The claim that "privatizing" or "de-regulating" education will somehow make it better is moronic.

It would be great to have someone describe how those systems work.

From what I recall they tended to not force everyone into the same fit an they don't dump their emotionally damaged kids into the schools as a cheap way of dealing with them.

It is obvious that our Dept of Education isn't so strong and should go away in favor of something else. Like state run depts of education where states can decide for themselves just how strong an educatoin they want to provide.

What is moronic is to continue to allow this dept to exist when it does not serve kids at all.

Currently at the top of almost all lists are Finland and Singapore.

Finland's education reforms of 1968.

Singapore.

 

[jillian]

What could be worse than closing down key agencies at critical points in our history?

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

but... but... but...

the dept of ed doesn't let them teach creationism as science;
the EPA doesn't let them dump chemicals into our water and pollute the groundwater. the meanies won't let corporations do what they want, dammit.
and the dept of energy won't let them 'drill, baby, drill'...

 

[jillian]

That would be getting rid of the federal EPA.

States can do what they like.

How does that jive with your education ?

The environment belongs to everyone. There is no way to contain pollution from one state from flowing to another state

Every State in the Union has their own version of the EPA, Department of energy, and Department of education. That suffices.

These are parasite bureaucracies that do more harm than good. We need a more constitutional government, and we need these departments gone.

someone needs to teach you states' rights nutbars that a) you lost the civil war; and b) the constitution includes a commerce clause and a general welfare clause which allow the federal government to pre-empt the states.

life sucks for you loons. but get over it.

 

[Charles_Main]

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

The Results of our kids Test Scores have declined Constantly since the DOE was started in the late 20th Century.

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

I personally don't think it needs to be closed, but there does need to be more balance between doing good for the Environment, and Damaging our Economy.

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

The Department of energy does not help us Provide our own Energy. In fact it hinders us. All it does is pass regulations making it harder to Drill for oil, Build Nuke Plants, get Natural Gas, etc.

All three of these Federal Agencies are Relatively new, and we did just fine for nearly 200 Years with out them. All of them are Massive Bureaucracies that suck down money, and Do very little of any actual Benefit.

 

[Rocko]

The US isn't ranked that badly in education, worldwide. Around 14th place.

The interesting thing is that all of the other countries that are doing better than us have much stronger centralized education systems then we do.

The claim that "privatizing" or "de-regulating" education will somehow make it better is moronic.

America is not. Number 1 in the world because of education. We represent 25% of the worlds GDP, because of freedom and completion, which has let the entrepreneurial spirit run wild.

Europeans take 4 month vacations and have 3 hour lunches, which may be fine by them, but they do so a result of a glass ceiling being present. Here there are no such barriers, which is why our work force is superior.

I'm tried of liberal demagogues, trying to appeal to peoples sense of compassion with the whole education thing. It makes me sick. There is more than enough spent on education, after all its not a right, nor should it be.

 

[Rocko]

The environment belongs to everyone. There is no way to contain pollution from one state from flowing to another state

Every State in the Union has their own version of the EPA, Department of energy, and Department of education. That suffices.

These are parasite bureaucracies that do more harm than good. We need a more constitutional government, and we need these departments gone.

someone needs to teach you states' rights nutbars that a) you lost the civil war; and b) the constitution includes a commerce clause and a general welfare clause which allow the federal government to pre-empt the states.

life sucks for you loons. but get over it.

You always change the topic. Fact is, we don't need these any of these, they're not efficient, and they suck the tax payer dry..

 

[bripat9643]

What could be worse than closing down key agencies at critical points in our history?

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

The Dept of Education is one of the main reasons our children are falling woefully behind other countries.

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

Global warming is a hoax, and the EPA is using it to take over control of American economy and destroy our energy industry. It's outlived its usefulness.

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

Obama is doing everything possible to destroy our energy industry. What is the Dept of Energy doing to produce more energy in the US? Answer: nothing.

 

[WatertheTree]

At a time when our children are falling woefully behind other countries, Republicans want to kill the Dept of Education

The Results of our kids Test Scores have declined Constantly since the DOE was started in the late 20th Century.

At a time when Greenhouse gasses are affecting our climate.......Republicans want to close the Environmental Protection Agency

I personally don't think it needs to be closed, but there does need to be more balance between doing good for the Environment, and Damaging our Economy.

At a time when we are at the whim of an unstable middle east for oil imports......Republicans want to close the Dept of Energy

The Department of energy does not help us Provide our own Energy. In fact it hinders us. All it does is pass regulations making it harder to Drill for oil, Build Nuke Plants, get Natural Gas, etc.

All three of these Federal Agencies are Relatively new, and we did just fine for nearly 200 Years with out them. All of them are Massive Bureaucracies that suck down money, and Do very little of any actual Benefit.

Why do you break all your posts up like that??? Its absolutely horrible. Any chance you have of getting a intelligent reply is immeadiatly tossed out the window because it just looks like a nightmare.

I couldnt possibly imagine what a conversation with you would be like.

 

[bripat9643]

The Republicans want to get rid of the Dept. of Education, because they are so prone to gaffes, that they don't want the rest of us to be smart enough to notice.

They want to get rid of the EPA, because the less regulations and clean up you have to do, the more money you can put towards your profits. Only trouble is, eventually we won't have a sustainable environment to live in anymore.

And yeah........they want to get rid of the Dept. of Energy and replace it with Dept. of Oil and Drilling. Who needs green energy?

Do idiots like you actually believe this kind of swill?

The Dept of Education doesn't educate anyone. It positively harms children. If it was abolished tomorrow, SAT scores would immediately start improving.

The increased costs of EPA regulations don't come out of corporate profits. They come out of the hides of middle class Americans. Corporations just pass these added costs on down for me and you to pay. Only an idiot believes that consumers don't have to pay the cost of EPA regulations. In other words, every libturd believes it.

And, right, who needs green energy? It's totally imaginary.

 

[bripat9643]

The truth is... the more ignorant our population is, the more the Powerful elite can control us and they know it.

That's exactly true. That's why the libs created the Dept of Education: to keep us all stupid.

 

[bripat9643]

Our environment is doing pretty well? Might wanna talk to the farmers and ranchers in Texas where there's a pretty bad drought, or talk to the farmers who have gotten flooded out.

Sorry, our environment needs some cleaning up.

hmmmmm . . . . hey, dork, didn't you know that floods and droughts are the result of weather, not pollution?