Anyone. Any dataset that is being used to assess the associated temperature of CO2.Who shouldn't be including it where?
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Anyone. Any dataset that is being used to assess the associated temperature of CO2.Who shouldn't be including it where?
So you think temperature data affected by the urban heat island effect should be ignored when looked at growing days? Why? Are those not the temperatures to which crops in those areas would be exposed?Anyone. Any dataset that is being used to assess the associated temperature of CO2.
I think the UHI effect should not be included if investigating CO2 as a cause for the recent warming trend because it's not CO2 related. My original post was in reply to your comment concerning examination of climate not growing days.So you think no temperature data affected by the urban heat island effect should be ignored when looked at growing days? Why? Are those not the temperatures to which crops in those areas would be exposed?
Are you really this stupid? What do you see here?I think the UHI effect should not be included if investigating CO2 as a cause for the recent warming trend because it's not CO2 related. My original post was in reply to your comment concerning examination of climate not growing days.
Then show me a graph of TSI that matches the temperature data in trend and sufficient energy.
PS, Bob Tisdale is a complete fucking idiot.
A graphic that can't explain any of these warming and cooling trends.Are you really this stupid? What do you see here?
Ummm... wrong? Like I said, this graphic can't explain any previous warming or cooling trend because it's biased towards CO2 which is an artifact of the computer model which is an artifact of a failed climate sensitivity concept. So since it can't explain any other warming and cooling trend it's worthless.Do you see the entry for "Surface albedo"? What the fuck do you think that is? And while we're here, do you see the entry for Solar Irradiance? Had you been thinking they were just ignoring the sun?
According to your graphic the planet should have never cooled for the past 55 million years as CO2 levels were 600 ppm and greater.Are you really this stupid? What do you see here?
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Do you see the entry for "Surface albedo"? What the fuck do you think that is? And while we're here, do you see the entry for Solar Irradiance? Had you been thinking they were just ignoring the sun?
That is incorrect. The point is that the graphic illustrates that mainstream science has all along been studying all the factors you claim they've ignored and that are responsible for current warming.According to your graphic the planet should have never cooled for the past 55 million years as CO2 levels were 600 ppm and greater.
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Actually the point is spot on. It's because they have over emphasized the radiative forcing strength of CO2 - relative to all other factors - that they can't explain the 50 million cooling trend which occurred with higher levels of CO2 than today.That is incorrect. The point is that the graphic illustrates that mainstream science has all along been studying all the factors you claim they've ignored and that are responsible for current warming.
They have minimized the other factors to the point that factors other than CO2 can't be responsible for driving any climate change at all.That is incorrect. The point is that the graphic illustrates that mainstream science has all along been studying all the factors you claim they've ignored and that are responsible for current warming.
"The last time there was this much carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Earth's atmosphere, modern humans didn't exist. Megatoothed sharks prowled the oceans, the world's seas were up to 100 feet higher than they are today, and the global average surface temperature was up to 11°F warmer than it is now." --Andrew Freedman, Climate CentralActually the point is spot on. It's because they have over emphasized the radiative forcing strength of CO2 that they can't explain the 50 million cooling trend which occurred with higher levels of CO2 than today.
Who, how and when did they "minimize the other factors"They have minimized the other factors to the point that factors other than CO2 can't be responsible for driving any climate change at all.
You only need to look at the radiative forcing component graphic you keep posting. The only component that can effect change is CO2. So how did the planet overcome 600 to 1000 ppm over the last 50 million years and cool while CO2 was lagging temperature. According to the radiative forcing component graphic you keep posting that shouldn't have been possible because no other factor could overcome CO2 dominance.Who, how and when did they "minimize the other factors"
Was about 6 million years ago. Right before the planet transitioned to a greenhouse planet and developed extensive northern hemisphere continental glaciation. How was it possible for this to happen with so much CO2 in the atmosphere?"The last time there was this much carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Earth's atmosphere...
And yet the planet cooled another 4C.the world's seas were up to 100 feet higher than they are today, and the global average surface temperature was up to 11°F warmer than it is now." --Andrew Freedman, Climate Central
I'm pretty sure they already know that prior to the industrial revolution that CO2 was a proxy for temperature because of sequestration of CO2 by the ocean when temperatures got colder and CO2 release by the oceans when the planet got warmer.You know there is a very strong correlation between CO2 and temperature. If you have data that refutes that correlation, I think you should tell the world about it.
CO2 is released from the ocean when its temperature increases. There IS ALSO evidence in the historical record that CO2 CAUSES warming. See Global warming preceded by increasing carbon dioxide concentrations during the last deglaciation - Nature. The full article is behind Nature's paywall but here is the AbstractI'm pretty sure they already know that prior to the industrial revolution that CO2 was a proxy for temperature because of sequestration of CO2 by the ocean when temperatures got colder and CO2 release by the oceans when the planet got warmer.
But this in no way proves CO2 affects temperature to the ridiculous degree they claim it does.
Incorrect. The geologic record overwhelmingly shows that CO2 lags temperature. It proves the relationship between CO2 solubility in water versus temperature. That's all it proves.CO2 is released from the ocean when its temperature increases. There IS ALSO evidence in the historical record that CO2 CAUSES warming.
CO2 is released from the oceans by warming. CO2 also produces warming through the greenhouse effect and Shakun 2012 clearly shows it. Your rejection of the greenhouse effect makes it impossible to believe you have any real science literacy.Incorrect. The geologic record overwhelmingly shows that CO2 lags temperature. It proves the relationship between CO2 solubility in water versus temperature. That's all it proves.
There is literally no mechanism for CO2 to increase during a glacial cycle other than temperature causing it's release from the ocean. Is this magic CO2?