Grocery store fires Arizona medical marijuana patient after drug test

[Polishprince]

Saying marijuana isn't a drug doesn't mean it isn't a drug.

What chemical process does it undergo for use?

And what pharmaceutical company has a patent on it?

Actually a wag who's on record calling for pot smokers to be shot in the face sitting on a message board claiming it IS a "drug", doesn't make it a "drug". Asserter has the burden of proof --- where is it?

You can call a peanut a "nut" but that doesn't make it not-a-legume. You can buy a box of Grape Nuts, rotsa ruck finding either one in there.

Just because grass comes from a plant, doesn't mean its not a drug. Morphine and smack come from the poppy, alcohol comes from grain, both are still definitely drugs.

 

[Pogo]

Saying marijuana isn't a drug doesn't mean it isn't a drug.

What chemical process does it undergo for use?

And what pharmaceutical company has a patent on it?

Actually a wag who's on record calling for pot smokers to be shot in the face sitting on a message board claiming it IS a "drug", doesn't make it a "drug". Asserter has the burden of proof --- where is it?

You can call a peanut a "nut" but that doesn't make it not-a-legume. You can buy a box of Grape Nuts, rotsa ruck finding either one in there.

Just because grass comes from a plant, doesn't mean its not a drug. Morphine and smack come from the poppy, alcohol comes from grain, both are still definitely drugs.

Yeah actually it does mean that. Morphine and heroin are processed from the poppy --- those are drugs. The poppy itself, is not.

And I see what (else) you weasel-worded there --- cannabis ("grass") doesn't "come from" a plant ---- it IS the plant.


"And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so." ---- Genesis, 1:30

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If all the drug users refuse drug tests in a chorus only non drug users will be employed. Or is it expected that non addicts will join in solidarity?

Better opportunities for those of us who do not do drugs. Why would we give up that advantage, for the benefit of druggies?

You don't use aspirin or any type of antihistamine?
You two are so old there are no jobs..

You know people that get high on aspirin? Truly strange.

 

[Polishprince]

Saying marijuana isn't a drug doesn't mean it isn't a drug.

What chemical process does it undergo for use?

And what pharmaceutical company has a patent on it?

Actually a wag who's on record calling for pot smokers to be shot in the face sitting on a message board claiming it IS a "drug", doesn't make it a "drug". Asserter has the burden of proof --- where is it?

You can call a peanut a "nut" but that doesn't make it not-a-legume. You can buy a box of Grape Nuts, rotsa ruck finding either one in there.

Just because grass comes from a plant, doesn't mean its not a drug. Morphine and smack come from the poppy, alcohol comes from grain, both are still definitely drugs.

Yeah actually it does mean that. Morphine and heroin are processed from the poppy --- those are drugs. The poppy itself, is not.

And I see what (else) you weasel-worded there --- cannabis ("grass") doesn't "come from" a plant ---- it IS the plant.


"And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so." ---- Genesis, 1:30

Poppies sure look like a drug to me, at least from the documents I've seen.

 

[Moonglow]

If all the drug users refuse drug tests in a chorus only non drug users will be employed. Or is it expected that non addicts will join in solidarity?

Better opportunities for those of us who do not do drugs. Why would we give up that advantage, for the benefit of druggies?

You don't use aspirin or any type of antihistamine?
You two are so old there are no jobs..

You know people that get high on aspirin? Truly strange.

Aspirin is a drug, M'kay

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Saying marijuana isn't a drug doesn't mean it isn't a drug.

What chemical process does it undergo for use?

And what pharmaceutical company has a patent on it?

Actually a wag who's on record calling for pot smokers to be shot in the face sitting on a message board claiming it IS a "drug", doesn't make it a "drug". Asserter has the burden of proof --- where is it?

You can call a peanut a "nut" but that doesn't make it not-a-legume. You can buy a box of Grape Nuts, rotsa ruck finding either one in there.

Just because grass comes from a plant, doesn't mean its not a drug. Morphine and smack come from the poppy, alcohol comes from grain, both are still definitely drugs.

Yeah actually it does mean that. Morphine and heroin are processed from the poppy --- those are drugs. The poppy itself, is not.

And I see what (else) you weasel-worded there --- cannabis ("grass") doesn't "come from" a plant ---- it IS the plant.


"And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so." ---- Genesis, 1:30

Foxglove, oleander and jimson weed are poisons the poison doesn't come from the plant. The plant is the poison. Every green plant for food. Are you sure about that?

 

[Moonglow]

Saying marijuana isn't a drug doesn't mean it isn't a drug.

What chemical process does it undergo for use?

And what pharmaceutical company has a patent on it?

Actually a wag who's on record calling for pot smokers to be shot in the face sitting on a message board claiming it IS a "drug", doesn't make it a "drug". Asserter has the burden of proof --- where is it?

You can call a peanut a "nut" but that doesn't make it not-a-legume. You can buy a box of Grape Nuts, rotsa ruck finding either one in there.

Just because grass comes from a plant, doesn't mean its not a drug. Morphine and smack come from the poppy, alcohol comes from grain, both are still definitely drugs.

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[Montrovant]

Saying marijuana isn't a drug doesn't mean it isn't a drug.

What chemical process does it undergo for use?

And what pharmaceutical company has a patent on it?

Actually a wag who's on record calling for pot smokers to be shot in the face sitting on a message board claiming it IS a "drug", doesn't make it a "drug". Asserter has the burden of proof --- where is it?

You can call a peanut a "nut" but that doesn't make it not-a-legume. You can buy a box of Grape Nuts, rotsa ruck finding either one in there.

Just because grass comes from a plant, doesn't mean its not a drug. Morphine and smack come from the poppy, alcohol comes from grain, both are still definitely drugs.

Yeah actually it does mean that. Morphine and heroin are processed from the poppy --- those are drugs. The poppy itself, is not.

And I see what (else) you weasel-worded there --- cannabis ("grass") doesn't "come from" a plant ---- it IS the plant.


"And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so." ---- Genesis, 1:30

How about marijuana contains a drug and move on from there?

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm with Montrovant!

Definition of a drug:

a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Grocery Store Fires Arizona Medical Marijuana Patient After Drug Test

Sue the state, , the state issues a card which says it is legal if it is legal the store has no legal right to fire someone unless of course it was used like booze lets say don't drink on the job.

The hard part about pot is you could smoke it today it will show up still 20 days , 30 days etc from the time you smoked. Booze gone inn 24 hrs .

The story didn't say, but if Albertson's is unionized the employer was REQUIRED to enforce this kind of thing if its in the contract.

If they kept their human relations in house they would have been crazy to take this kind of draconian action, I'd agree. But in a union environment , its a lot different. A failure to fire would be precedent for another case, where another employee was across the AZ border in Nevada where medicinal grass is legal to everyone.

They are union-Albertson's is a UFCW company.

 

[Polishprince]

Grocery Store Fires Arizona Medical Marijuana Patient After Drug Test

Sue the state, , the state issues a card which says it is legal if it is legal the store has no legal right to fire someone unless of course it was used like booze lets say don't drink on the job.

The hard part about pot is you could smoke it today it will show up still 20 days , 30 days etc from the time you smoked. Booze gone inn 24 hrs .

The story didn't say, but if Albertson's is unionized the employer was REQUIRED to enforce this kind of thing if its in the contract.

If they kept their human relations in house they would have been crazy to take this kind of draconian action, I'd agree. But in a union environment , its a lot different. A failure to fire would be precedent for another case, where another employee was across the AZ border in Nevada where medicinal grass is legal to everyone.

They are union-Albertson's is a UFCW company.

In that case, because of the contract, Albertson's really didn't have a choice in the matter. If they don't fire this guy, they could lose their right to fire someone else for a drug violation.

 

[Papageorgio]

Grocery Store Fires Arizona Medical Marijuana Patient After Drug Test

Sue the state, , the state issues a card which says it is legal if it is legal the store has no legal right to fire someone unless of course it was used like booze lets say don't drink on the job.

The hard part about pot is you could smoke it today it will show up still 20 days , 30 days etc from the time you smoked. Booze gone inn 24 hrs .

The story didn't say, but if Albertson's is unionized the employer was REQUIRED to enforce this kind of thing if its in the contract.

If they kept their human relations in house they would have been crazy to take this kind of draconian action, I'd agree. But in a union environment , its a lot different. A failure to fire would be precedent for another case, where another employee was across the AZ border in Nevada where medicinal grass is legal to everyone.

They are union-Albertson's is a UFCW company.

In that case, because of the contract, Albertson's really didn't have a choice in the matter. If they don't fire this guy, they could lose their right to fire someone else for a drug violation.

Unions can be very tricky to deal with.

 

[ABikerSailor]

If it's medical and a doctor has written a script for it, then there should be no problem.

I mean, do you think they would have fired him for being on opiates that were prescribed? I don't.

 

[Polishprince]

If it's medical and a doctor has written a script for it, then there should be no problem.

I mean, do you think they would have fired him for being on opiates that were prescribed? I don't.

Maybe not. But there are two points here. One , opiates and opioids may rinse through the system a lot quicker so a positive is less likely if someone isn't actually loaded at work. 2nd, grass may be specifically cited as a banned substance in the contract.

There are legal specialists who deal exclusively with labor contracts and arbitrations. They may well have had a hand in ordering this firing.

 

[ABikerSailor]

If it's medical and a doctor has written a script for it, then there should be no problem.

I mean, do you think they would have fired him for being on opiates that were prescribed? I don't.

Maybe not. But there are two points here. One , opiates and opioids may rinse through the system a lot quicker so a positive is less likely if someone isn't actually loaded at work. 2nd, grass may be specifically cited as a banned substance in the contract.

There are legal specialists who deal exclusively with labor contracts and arbitrations. They may well have had a hand in ordering this firing.

Which is one of the reasons that new tests need to be created. Current tests can only tell if you have smoked it or not, but can't really determine the level of intoxication. And, the bad thing about THC is that it is a fat soluble substance, meaning it is stored in the fat cells of the body.

Because it is stored in fat cells, it can be detected up to 45 days after smoking, depending on body fat percentage and metabolic rate. If you have a high metabolism and low body fat? You might stay positive for around 2 weeks. If you have high body fat and a low metabolism, it can be detected up to 45 days later.

Had to learn this stuff as a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA) for the Navy.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Saying marijuana isn't a drug doesn't mean it isn't a drug.

What chemical process does it undergo for use?

And what pharmaceutical company has a patent on it?

What do either of those have to do with whether something is a drug?

Is opium a drug? What about Peyote? or Psilocybin mushrooms? Or ergot? Or Jimson weed?

 

[Crixus]

Grocery Store Fires Arizona Medical Marijuana Patient After Drug Test

Sue the state, , the state issues a card which says it is legal if it is legal the store has no legal right to fire someone unless of course it was used like booze lets say don't drink on the job.

The hard part about pot is you could smoke it today it will show up still 20 days , 30 days etc from the time you smoked. Booze gone inn 24 hrs .

Won’t work. The store has EVERY right to fire a person who does not adhere to the stores policy on substance abuse period. It doesn’t matter what the half life of alcohol or whatever is. If you work at a place that drug tests then you have two options, 1, and the most sure way NOT to pop a hot UA is don’t smoke pot. The second way is have counter measures. For the record, I think it’s dumb to and that they need a test that can say how recently one has smoked.

 

[Pogo]

I'm with Montrovant!

Definition of a drug:

a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

Nope. ANY ingested substance has a physiological effect. I for one achieve a state of euphoria upon ingesting eggplant parmesean. A "drug" has to be either manufactured in a chemical lab or extracted/distilled from some other entity (e.g. cocaine from coca). But the original plant is simply the original plant.

Why the distinction matters is this: Yahoos like shoot-em-in-the face Katz and the United Snakes government deliberately lie about this substance for the purpose of social control, and referring to it as "drug", "narcotic", "addictive" --- all of which are equally bullshitious ---- are tools to that propaganda end.

In other words it's dishonest, and it's deliberately dishonest for a dishonest purpose. And that will not stand.

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm with Montrovant!

Definition of a drug:

a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

Nope. ANY ingested substance has a physiological effect. I for one achieve a state of euphoria upon ingesting eggplant parmesean. A "drug" has to be either manufactured in a chemical lab or extracted/distilled from some other entity (e.g. cocaine from coca). But the original plant is simply the original plant.

Why the distinction matters is this: Yahoos like shoot-em-in-the face Katz and the United Snakes government deliberately lie about this substance for the purpose of social control, and referring to it as "drug", "narcotic", "addictive" --- all of which are equally bullshitious ---- are tools to that propaganda end.

In other words it's dishonest, and it's deliberately dishonest for a dishonest purpose. And that will not stand.

I’ll go with the dictionary and not your opinion on this matter.

 

[Pogo]

Saying marijuana isn't a drug doesn't mean it isn't a drug.

What chemical process does it undergo for use?

And what pharmaceutical company has a patent on it?

What do either of those have to do with whether something is a drug?

Is opium a drug? What about Peyote? or Psilocybin mushrooms? Or ergot? Or Jimson weed?

Yes / No / No / No / what the fuck is "jimson weed"?

Peyote is a cactus as are other cacti. Psilocybin is already a mushroom so "psilocybin mushroom" is redundant,.but all mushrooms are mushrooms. Many are in fact poisonous to humans, but if you eat the wrong one and die, you didn't die from a "drug overdose"; you died of a poison. Ergot is a fungus. That these natural substances may or may not have either hallucinogenic or poisonous effects (or both) if ingested is simply a characteristic of each one. Another one not listed here may have the effect of causing diarrhea or constipation, another may settle a fever, another may counter the effects of poison ivy or ease childbirth pains or inflammation, etc etc etc. That doesn't make any of them "drugs". At most it makes them herbal medicines. With various physiological effects.

Drugs are made by drug companies, whether legal ones or illegal, in labs. They don't occur in Nature.