Green Energy wont work - Who are you kidding?

[CurveLight]

"The establishment of democracy in Iraq will remain an uncertain proposition for some time to come. The most difficult matter is the reconciliation of two of Iraq's most important ethnic groups: Shiite and Sunni Muslims. But here there is also hope.

Sunnis who largely boycotted previous elections voted in force, and an intense competition for Shiite votes drove up participation in Baghdad and the south, election observers said.

After seven years of a war whose rationale is deeply disputed in the United States, the Obama administration viewed the vote as a test of Iraq's stability, a last milestone before the final withdrawal of American troops.

The short and fierce political campaign could end up either solidifying Iraq's nascent democracy or leaving the country fractured along ethnic and sectarian lines. But it was arguably the most open, most competitive election in the nation's long history of colonial rule, dictatorship and war. "
South Dakota Politics: Democracy in Iraq

The democracy in Iraq is far from perfect, but then we aren't so perfect either. Are there problems that we would never accept in America? Of course there are, but Iraq is free to choose their own destiny for the first time as a nation. There are religious problems and possibly gender related abuses that we would not accept, but Iraq is not America.

And Bentlight, fuck off.

"The establishment of democracy in Iraq will remain an uncertain proposition for some time to come. The most difficult matter is the reconciliation of two of Iraq's most important ethnic groups: Shiite and Sunni Muslims. But here there is also hope.

Sunnis who largely boycotted previous elections voted in force, and an intense competition for Shiite votes drove up participation in Baghdad and the south, election observers said.

After seven years of a war whose rationale is deeply disputed in the United States, the Obama administration viewed the vote as a test of Iraq's stability, a last milestone before the final withdrawal of American troops.

The short and fierce political campaign could end up either solidifying Iraq's nascent democracy or leaving the country fractured along ethnic and sectarian lines. But it was arguably the most open, most competitive election in the nation's long history of colonial rule, dictatorship and war. "
South Dakota Politics: Democracy in Iraq

The democracy in Iraq is far from perfect, but then we aren't so perfect either. Are there problems that we would never accept in America? Of course there are, but Iraq is free to choose their own destiny for the first time as a nation. There are religious problems and possibly gender related abuses that we would not accept, but Iraq is not America.

And Bentlight, fuck off.

Like a whiny little girl you ignored the question. Once again:

How can you have a democracy when all legislationg is based on a religion and no law that contradicts that religion may be passed?

I don't have a clue. But then I have not studied the intricacies of the new Iraqi constitution, have you? No one here is an expert on this, what we do know is that the average Iraqi for the most part has more freedoms than they ever have had in the past. You may deny that and point out your little exceptions all you want. But they do have a weak yet holding Democracy, voted on by the people. If we disagree with it that only proves that we didn't direct it and choose their government for them. But they did. So it isn't perfect, who is?

You don't have a clue yet wish to proclaim:

"...the average Iraqi for the most part has more freedoms than they ever have had in the past."

That shows how fucking ignorant you are on the matter and yes I've studied Iraq's Constitution. You clearly support the war but you've never studied it. Typical ignorant fucking Nationalist who waves the Flags and ignores the prices paid by tens of thousands of dead and wounded US soldiers. You should be embarrassed and ashamed.

 

[Old Rocks]

Back to the subject. 1000 new jobs in Colorado.


Vestas Will Hire More Than 1,000 More Coloradans - cbs4denver.com

A company that makes giant wind turbines is getting ready to create more jobs in Colorado.

Vestas Wind Systems said Tuesday it will hire more than 1,000 people at three of its plants across the state.

"We continue to seek qualified people to fill a number of job openings for a variety of positions in our local factories," said Torben Poulsen, Vestas Brighton Factory Manager.

In Brighton the turbine manufacturer announced it will add 750 more jobs when Vestas begins to manufacture turbine blades at its new $100 miillion campus. Last week Vestas opened the Brighton plant with 280 new jobs making the generator and gearbox that sits atop the turbine tower.

 

[jeffrockit]

Vanda since you seem to be in love with oil.... go take a swim in the gulf maybe that will change your opinion1 I would at least LIKE to have the choice to plug in my vehicle.

Well more than likely oil or a coal fired plant will be providing the energy to re-charge the battery on your "green" vehicle.

 

[CurveLight]

Vanda since you seem to be in love with oil.... go take a swim in the gulf maybe that will change your opinion1 I would at least LIKE to have the choice to plug in my vehicle.

Well more than likely oil or a coal fired plant will be providing the energy to re-charge the battery on your "green" vehicle.

So?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Government subsidized green energy will fail as all government subsidized programs do.

 

[CurveLight]

Government subsidized green energy will fail as all government subsidized programs do.

That's just idiotic. I know of some CEOs that would disagree.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Government subsidized green energy will fail as all government subsidized programs do.

That's just idiotic. I know of some CEOs that would disagree.

Look at the failure of wind energy in Spain and the Netherlands before you disagree.

http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/05/11/the-myth-of-the-danish-green-energy-miracle.aspx

http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/05/11/the-myth-of-the-danish-green-energy-miracle.aspx

Energy Tribune- Overblown: The Real Cost of Wind Power

It's a waste of money.

The only way to make green energy work is to let the private sector make it work.

Huge and I do mean huge tax credits should be given to any and all people and businesses that invest in alternative heating and power tech.

Wanting the government to collect taxes only to subsidize companies they deem worthy is the wrong answer.

 

[Big Fitz]

we went to Iraq for oil. Period

Then why aren't we getting it? Why are gas prices still too high? Why aren't we hearing about increases of oil coming in from Iraq to the US?

Oh that's right... because that's just not true.

 

[Old Rocks]

Government subsidized green energy will fail as all government subsidized programs do.

I see. The Corps of Discovery was such a failure, right?

The grant for the investigation of the properties of obscure materials called semi-conductors in 1948 was another failure, correct?

The money we spent on the ocean exploration that map the magnitism of of the Juan de Fuca rift zone was another failure, correct?

Skull, why do you insist on repeating that very stupid Conservative Mantra that has been proven to be false? The Interstate Highway System.

 

[Old Rocks]

we went to Iraq for oil. Period

Then why aren't we getting it? Why are gas prices still too high? Why aren't we hearing about increases of oil coming in from Iraq to the US?

Oh that's right... because that's just not true.

Because there is more money for the oil corperations in selling that oil to China.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Government subsidized green energy will fail as all government subsidized programs do.

I see. The Corps of Discovery was such a failure, right?

The grant for the investigation of the properties of obscure materials called semi-conductors in 1948 was another failure, correct?

The money we spent on the ocean exploration that map the magnitism of of the Juan de Fuca rift zone was another failure, correct?

Skull, why do you insist on repeating that very stupid Conservative Mantra that has been proven to be false? The Interstate Highway System.

Do you really call the waste graft and corruption that defines the highway system a success?

If the government takes over energy, it will be rife with political payoffs and out of control spending. The government will decide which companies succeed and fail based not on quality or competitiveness but on who is sucking a politician's dick.

The idiots in government don't care what something costs because they don't care if they make a profit. After all as far as the fucking government is concerned we are all nothing but walking ATMs.

 

[jeffrockit]

Vanda since you seem to be in love with oil.... go take a swim in the gulf maybe that will change your opinion1 I would at least LIKE to have the choice to plug in my vehicle.

Well more than likely oil or a coal fired plant will be providing the energy to re-charge the battery on your "green" vehicle.

So?

The point is, if we are debating the merits of reducing our dependency on oil and reduce coal fired plants, an electric car that will have a rechargeable battery, that will be recharged with energy from either of those sources, seem to nullify the goals of reducing anything.

Rather than try to social engineer our country or do something for political reasons, we should be smart about reducing our dependency and not just go around in circles.

 

[CurveLight]

Well more than likely oil or a coal fired plant will be providing the energy to re-charge the battery on your "green" vehicle.

So?

The point is, if we are debating the merits of reducing our dependency on oil and reduce coal fired plants, an electric car that will have a rechargeable battery, that will be recharged with energy from either of those sources, seem to nullify the goals of reducing anything.

Rather than try to social engineer our country or do something for political reasons, we should be smart about reducing our dependency and not just go around in circles.

Do you know how much oil/coal/electricity is required to charge lithium ion batteries for cars?

 

[CurveLight]

we went to Iraq for oil. Period

Then why aren't we getting it? Why are gas prices still too high? Why aren't we hearing about increases of oil coming in from Iraq to the US?

Oh that's right... because that's just not true.

You're a fucking dickidiot. When it is said the reason is oil it does not literally mean we invaded to smuggle the oil back to the States in the cargo pockets of our Soldiers. You're probably the kind of dumbass that references a January snowstorm in Minnesota as evidence global warming is a myth.

 

[JiggsCasey]

I have been reading some of the posts on other threads and I still dont see anyone who can support the Green position with facts. We need to drill for oil. Do you really think we are going to cut down energy use in this country? or plug in a car every night?

Peak oil a given => drill more, rely on dirtier hydrocarbons, ignore renewables: ...

systemic economic disaster, heavy die-off
​

Peak oil a given => enact a Marshall Plan for renewables and localization: ...

systemic economic disaster, mitigated dieoff, a decent measure of sustainability.​

You choose.

 

[Big Fitz]

I have been reading some of the posts on other threads and I still dont see anyone who can support the Green position with facts. We need to drill for oil. Do you really think we are going to cut down energy use in this country? or plug in a car every night?

Peak oil a given => drill more, rely on dirtier hydrocarbons, ignore renewables: ...

systemic economic disaster, heavy die-off
​

Peak oil a given => enact a Marshall Plan for renewables and localization: ...

systemic economic disaster, mitigated dieoff, a decent measure of sustainability.​

You choose.

Ahhh the JiggsCasey brand libberish generator is operational for the weekend again.

Too bad peak oil is still a political lie for power. In 200-300 years maybe oil will get difficult to find... or something else will be cheaper to use. Till then, the only thing stopping us from developing oil fields are assholes like P-BO.

BBC News - Venezuela oil 'may double Saudi Arabia'
Brazil Oil Finds May End Reliance on Middle East, Zeihan Says - Bloomberg

Looks like South America very well may change the petropolitical fortunes of the world and end the Mid East's dominance and lessen their power. Of course a large chunk of it is still under the control of progressofascists... but what else is new?

 

[JiggsCasey]

Ahhh the JiggsCasey brand libberish generator is operational for the weekend again.

Too bad peak oil is still a political lie for power. In 200-300 years maybe oil will get difficult to find... or something else will be cheaper to use. Till then, the only thing stopping us from developing oil fields are assholes like P-BO.

BBC News - Venezuela oil 'may double Saudi Arabia'
Brazil Oil Finds May End Reliance on Middle East, Zeihan Says - Bloomberg

Looks like South America very well may change the petropolitical fortunes of the world and end the Mid East's dominance and lessen their power. Of course a large chunk of it is still under the control of progressofascists... but what else is new?

Dear unrivaled moron... Venezuela's reserves are tar sands, not light crude. Brazil's total from your link amounts to 41 billion barrels of "technically recoverable" oil, and would never end reliance on Middle East oil.

From your own link:

Brazil's state-controlled Petroleo Brasileiro SA in November said the offshore Tupi field may hold 8 billion barrels of recoverable crude. Among discoveries in the past 30 years, only the 15-billion-barrel Kashagan field in Kazakhstan is larger.

Haroldo Lima, director of the country's oil agency, last week said another subsea field, Carioca, may have 33 billion barrels of oil. That would be the third biggest field in history, behind only the Ghawar field in Saudi Arabia and Burgan in Kuwait.​

Nevermind that both entries state "may contain", and are technically recoverable estimates..... The world consumes 85 million barrels per DAY. Even if we're just talking about U.S. consumption of 21 mpd, how on Earth would 41 billion barrels get us off Middle Eastern dependence? Do even have any understanding of basic arithmetic?

You perpetually don't know what you're talking about. Lazily linking to short-sighted stories that tell half the condition isn't doing much of anything for your ignorant, hope-based belief system.

If it's a "lie", tell the forum where the light crude is? Big Oil would love to hear from you, genius.

 

[Bfgrn]

Yes green energy can and I believe it eventually will work.

However, it must work because science has the breakthroughs needed and it must work without Government funding or subsidies.

Until science and not government can make green energy viable, then it is nothing but a dream.

Oil corporations get about 4.5 billion dollars per year in government subsidies. Your beloved Exxon Mobil pays a whopping $0,000,000.00 taxes... the BIGGEST socialism in America is corporate welfare, subsidies and cost externalization, where corporations externalize costs to U.S. taxpayers totaling about $4-$5 trillion per year in workplace injuries, medical care required by the failure of unsafe products, health costs from pollution, and many others.

 

[jeffrockit]

So?

The point is, if we are debating the merits of reducing our dependency on oil and reduce coal fired plants, an electric car that will have a rechargeable battery, that will be recharged with energy from either of those sources, seem to nullify the goals of reducing anything.

Rather than try to social engineer our country or do something for political reasons, we should be smart about reducing our dependency and not just go around in circles.

Do you know how much oil/coal/electricity is required to charge lithium ion batteries for cars?

I do not. Perhaps you will share that info?

 

[Big Fitz]

yes, we can only use light crude. Moron. Peak oil is a political fantasy. Technology improves retrieval and recovery efforts all the time, making more and more sources viable. Yet you remain doggedly attached to only ONE type of oil. Talk about dishonest. You like to play "hard" numbers when it suits the negative in the form of usage and demands and then play "soft" numbers of supply and prevaricate and de-emphasize numbers on the estimates. All in an effort to fudge the perception and make things make look worse than they are.

Whatever. You're not an honest vendor here and are just selling bunk to suckers.