Time to Dump the Democrats

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    Fight Over Oil-Sands Imports Heats Up - WSJ.com

    Well, if America won't take oil from the tar sands, the Canadians will just sell it to the Chinese.
     
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    And replace them with who?

    The assholes who caused the huge mess we are already in?
     
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    Hard to tell who is more stupid, Waxman & democratics or environmentalist whackos.
     
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    This is an interesting conflict. The stuff is horrible to refine and makes an incredible mess. We either use this stuff or we buy from the Iranians.

    tough choice.

    My vote is with the production of the tar sands, but I don't live anywhere near the areas that would get damaged by it. People who actually have to deal might have a different opinion.

    The idea of buying oil from the Iranians is always the worst option in my book
     
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    waxman's idiocy so often borders on mind-boggling that it's difficult to believe he still holds office.
     
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    Another drawback to allowing this Canadian crude into our markets is that it drives down the price that U.S. oil producers are paid in certain areas of the country. There is a price differential called the "spread". This is the difference in the NYMEX price and the price paid for domestic oil. In Illinois, it amounts to just over $8/barrel. In some western states where Canadian crude is imported, local markets are flooded and the refining and distribution centers can't process it fast enough. Here, the "spread" can amount to as much as $20/barrel.

    The current plan is to have this Canadian pipeline terminate at a facility in southern Illinois. This has local producers very worried. The hope is that the pipeline will be continued on down to the Gulf states where they can handle the additional storage and refining.

    When Prudhoe Bay Alaska came on line, the state of California fought tenaciously to prevent that oil from entering its markets. They prevailed, and most of the oil is exported to Asia.

    It will be interesting to see what happens when the crude market collapses again (and it will). Canada will be sending its crude across an international boundary at below market cost. This has happened before. If it were steel or any other commodity, our government would intervene- yet they stood by and did nothing while hundreds of thousands lost jobs in the U.S. petroleum industry- for the sake of cheap gasoline and votes.
     
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    The refining of the tar sands is incredibly dirty and destructive of the environment. Like what we see in the Gulf, isn't it time we asked if this path is worth it?

    Canada's Toxic Sands: The Most Destructive Project on Earth

    Canada's Toxic Tar Sands: The Most Destructive Project on Earth

    Because of their sheer scale, all Canadians are affected by the Tar Sands, no matter where they live.

    If you live downstream, your water is being polluted and your fish and wildlife may be dangerous to eat. If you live in Saskatchewan you are a victim of acid rain. If you live in BC, "supertankers" may soon be plying your shoreline carrying Tar Sands oil to Asia. If you live in Ontario, you are exposed to harmful emissions from the refining of Tar Sands Oil. And the impacts do not stop at Canada's border - US refineries are re-tooling to handle the dirty oil from Alberta.

    With the Tar Sands, Canada has become the world's dirty energy superpower
     
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    Unless it's green, all energy is considered dirty.
     
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    You just identified the trifecta of stupidity.
     
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    Truthmatters is way more stupid.
     

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