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Yet, when it is convenient to you, you care about the ball having been carried up the hill and the iron having been smelted from iron oxide.
You seem to have reversed your expressed viewpoint.
Chemical light stick.
Man made...work went into production...not spontaneous....same old thing..
The example you just provided gave a rock rolling down a hill as an example of spontaneous release of energy.
and this
Chemical light stick.
Man made...work went into production...not spontaneous....same old thing..
You pick and choose what you find convenient.
The example you just provided gave a rock rolling down a hill as an example of spontaneous release of energy.
and this
Chemical light stick.
Man made...work went into production...not spontaneous....same old thing..
You pick and choose what you find convenient.
Let me guess...you think all rocks must be carried up a hill in order for them to find themselves there. You really are that stupid...aren't you?
As to the light stick...again, refer to the definition of spontaneous process...
"A spontaneous process is one that will occur without any energy input from the surroundings."
Do you really think that a light stick requires no energy input from its surroundings in order to light up? In order to exist? Light sticks, like light bulbs etc are the product of work and nothing about them is spontaneous..
I do get a laugh out of you making such stupid statements after you have claimed to be an engineer....
I'm truly sorry you find physics so tedious. But let's analyze your idea of spontaneity in physics.
I find physics endlessly interesting..you, on the other hand, are quite tedious.
So you say that no process in physics is spontaneous if work was done prior to an energy release after all work is ended. That almost sounds like a new law in thermodynamics. That certainly gives new meaning to your oft quoted Clausius statement of the second law:
I don't say it...physics says it. Here...one last attempt to provide you with a definition easy enough for you to understand.
What Is a Spontaneous Process?
A spontaneous process is one that will occur without any energy input from the surroundings. It is a process that will occur on its own. For example, a ball will roll down an incline, water will flow downhill, ice will melt into water, radioisotopes will decay, and iron will rust. No intervention is required because these processes are thermodynamically favorable. In other words, the initial energy is higher than the final energy.
is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow.(Note that the bold faced phrase is past tense.)Also you had said man-made devices cannot create a spontaneous process because of the manufacturing work. So you have given us some new concepts of applications.
New to you perhaps...but not to science....or people who actually understand what the term spontaneous means...by the way...work being done..or work having been done is irrelevant...the speed at which a process occurs has nothing to do with whether or not it is spontaneous... Here...from the same link:
Note how quickly a process occurs has no bearing on whether or not it is spontaneous. It may take a long time for rust to become obvious, yet when iron is exposed to air the process will occur. A radioactive isotope may decay instantly or after thousands or millions or even billions of years.
As Tod indicated, you said light from the sun involves work (and is thereby not spontaneous.) So all earthly processes that rely on the sun are never spontaneous. CO2 can thereby emit back-radiation.[;/quote]
You know who is stupid? People who try to find a way around the second law of thermodynamics...
A warm man-made spectrometer can receive colder radiation.
So provide a measurement of a discrete wavelength of radiation from an object that is cooler than the instrument.
Two objects heated by scientists in a lab can always exchange radiation no matter their temperature difference.
Imagine two hills. Hill #1 has a rock on it. On hill #2 a person just carried a rock to the top of the hill, placed it there and then left.Let me guess...you think all rocks must be carried up a hill in order for them to find themselves there. You really are that stupid...aren't you?
As to the light stick...again, refer to the definition of spontaneous process...
"A spontaneous process is one that will occur without any energy input from the surroundings."
Do you really think that a light stick requires no energy input from its surroundings in order to light up? In order to exist? Light sticks, like light bulbs etc are the product of work and nothing about them is spontaneous.
We might certainly ask you the same question - and with real reason
I'm truly sorry you find physics so tedious. But let's analyze your idea of spontaneity in physics.
I find physics endlessly interesting..you, on the other hand, are quite tedious.
So you say that no process in physics is spontaneous if work was done prior to an energy release after all work is ended. That almost sounds like a new law in thermodynamics. That certainly gives new meaning to your oft quoted Clausius statement of the second law:
I don't say it...physics says it. Here...one last attempt to provide you with a definition easy enough for you to understand.
What Is a Spontaneous Process?
A spontaneous process is one that will occur without any energy input from the surroundings. It is a process that will occur on its own. For example, a ball will roll down an incline, water will flow downhill, ice will melt into water, radioisotopes will decay, and iron will rust. No intervention is required because these processes are thermodynamically favorable. In other words, the initial energy is higher than the final energy.
is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow.(Note that the bold faced phrase is past tense.)Also you had said man-made devices cannot create a spontaneous process because of the manufacturing work. So you have given us some new concepts of applications.
New to you perhaps...but not to science....or people who actually understand what the term spontaneous means...by the way...work being done..or work having been done is irrelevant...the speed at which a process occurs has nothing to do with whether or not it is spontaneous... Here...from the same link:
Note how quickly a process occurs has no bearing on whether or not it is spontaneous. It may take a long time for rust to become obvious, yet when iron is exposed to air the process will occur. A radioactive isotope may decay instantly or after thousands or millions or even billions of years.
As Tod indicated, you said light from the sun involves work (and is thereby not spontaneous.) So all earthly processes that rely on the sun are never spontaneous. CO2 can thereby emit back-radiation.[;/quote]
You know who is stupid? People who try to find a way around the second law of thermodynamics...
A warm man-made spectrometer can receive colder radiation.
So provide a measurement of a discrete wavelength of radiation from an object that is cooler than the instrument.
Two objects heated by scientists in a lab can always exchange radiation no matter their temperature difference.
Your reply is way beyond your ability to think in physics terms. You lack intuitive understanding of physics. You totally missed the self-contradiction I was referring to and launched into a doubling down on you idiocy in understanding the concept of spontaneous as it is defined and used in physics.
The ground being unstable both rocks rolled down the hill.... You are saying #1 was spontaneous, # 2 was not spontaneous.
That is a pretty stupid way of thinking about gravitational potential energy turning into kinetic energy. Really stupid.
That goes back to your definition that that no process in physics is spontaneous if work was done prior to an energy release after all work is ended. And anything man-made cannot result in a spontaneous action.
The ground being unstable both rocks rolled down the hill.... You are saying #1 was spontaneous, # 2 was not spontaneous.
That is a pretty stupid way of thinking about gravitational potential energy turning into kinetic energy. Really stupid.
The definition of spontaneous is that there is no energy input from the outside...what is stupid is not being able to figure out what that means.
That goes back to your definition that that no process in physics is spontaneous if work was done prior to an energy release after all work is ended. And anything man-made cannot result in a spontaneous action.
It isn't my definition...it is science's definition... I just cut it and pasted it here...clearly it was a waste of time since anything that challenges your beliefs is immediately rejected. Another endless tedious characteristic you possess in spades.
Your maniacal mirth is a non-response to a physics issue that makes you look like a total fool. BTW you are only laughing at your monitor, not my face.So is that your dodgy way of saying that you can't provide any such measurements?
Do you have any idea of how loud I am laughing in your face...you...who jumps on any crazy train that you think might take you on a scenic trip around the second law of thermodynamics...you..who argued for days that a f'ing flashlight represented a spontaneous release of energy? You are an endless source of mirth....
The definition of spontaneous is that there is no energy input from the outside...what is stupid is not being able to figure out what that means.
Your maniacal mirth is a non-response to a physics issue that makes you look like a total fool. BTW you are only laughing at your monitor, not my face.
As I said by your own definition you cannot name any process that is not spontaneous.{/quote]
Simply not true...but then you are a bald faced liar...refer to all the past times you were shown to be a liar...
Same Shit, your self-refutations, contradictions and convolutions have done nothing but show you a complete and utter dunce. It is YOUR completely arbitrary choices as to what does and does not constitute a spontaneous event that has everyone here simply shaking their head at your nonsense.
refer to all the past instances in which you were asked to provide some actual evidence to support your beliefs...and the best you could do was come up with ridiculous examples that were just good enough to fool you
The ground being unstable both rocks rolled down the hill.... You are saying #1 was spontaneous, # 2 was not spontaneous.
That is a pretty stupid way of thinking about gravitational potential energy turning into kinetic energy. Really stupid.
The definition of spontaneous is that there is no energy input from the outside...what is stupid is not being able to figure out what that means.
That goes back to your definition that that no process in physics is spontaneous if work was done prior to an energy release after all work is ended. And anything man-made cannot result in a spontaneous action.
It isn't my definition...it is science's definition... I just cut it and pasted it here...clearly it was a waste of time since anything that challenges your beliefs is immediately rejected. Another endless tedious characteristic you possess in spades.