Gramsci + Fanon + Freire = Obama

[eflatminor]

He never claimed to be a Communist. He called himself a "democratic socialist". He said,

"I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name."

Fuck socialism...and Zinn. Central planning is evil, whether you call it socialism, communism, fascism, or 'Let's everyone hold hands and sing kumbayaism'.

Socialists are responsible for a lot of things we take for granted now, the forty-hour work week, paid vacations, minimum wages, workplace safety laws, food safety laws, etc. It's not all about central planning and "kumbaya". If anything it's the libertarians that a guilty of most of the "kumbaya" thinking these days, i.e. "just trust us and everything will turn out great".

I've NEVER worked as little as 40 hours in a week. Paid vacations are not mandated by law. Minimum wage hurts the most vulnerable in our society. Workplace safety need not involve government other than a court system. Food safety need only be demanded by consumers...private rating/review/feedback organizations are far more effective in allowing the people to regulate with their dollars than any lazy ass bureaucracy.

Free people in a free society making decision freely will ALWAYS produce superior results compared to central planners. Fuck Zinn, fuck socialism, and fuck you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Just as many became neo-cons and libertarians, all radicals in the own rite.

Nonsense.

Your usual input.



O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows.
John O'Sullivan on O'Sullivan's First Law on National Review Online

O'Sullivan's First Law of Fascism, you mean!

To the Fascist there are only 2 groups, themselves and "the enemy." And we all know where that leads.

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
Adolf Hitler

What are you doing here???

Oh...Rush is off today.



Now, for some information re: fascism.

a. Did you know that FDR's New Deal, Hitler's National Socialism, and Mussolini's fascism were strikingly similar?

b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.”
Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.

c. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.

d. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.



You should be more careful with your use of 'fascism.'
You've made a dunce of yourself again, haven't you.

 

[edthecynic]

Nonsense.

Your usual input.



O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows.
John O'Sullivan on O'Sullivan's First Law on National Review Online

O'Sullivan's First Law of Fascism, you mean!

To the Fascist there are only 2 groups, themselves and "the enemy." And we all know where that leads.

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
Adolf Hitler

What are you doing here???

Oh...Rush is off today.

Speaking of your fellow CON$ervoFascist:

May 12, 2008
RUSH: I maintain that moderates and independents are Democrats. Because, by definition, if someone or some organization is not conservative, it's by definition going to be liberal, not moderate, not independent, it's going to be liberal

 

[edthecynic]

Nonsense.

Your usual input.



O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law), paraphrased by George Will as stating that any institution that is not libertarian and classically liberal will, over time, become collectivist and statist. O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows.
John O'Sullivan on O'Sullivan's First Law on National Review Online

O'Sullivan's First Law of Fascism, you mean!

To the Fascist there are only 2 groups, themselves and "the enemy." And we all know where that leads.

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
Adolf Hitler

What are you doing here???

Oh...Rush is off today.



Now, for some information re: fascism.

a. Did you know that FDR's New Deal, Hitler's National Socialism, and Mussolini's fascism were strikingly similar?

b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.”
Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.

c. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.

d. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.



You should be more careful with your use of 'fascism.'
You've made a dunce of yourself again, haven't you.

Claiming that Libs are just as Fascist as you does not make you any less Fascist.

 

[PoliticalChic]

O'Sullivan's First Law of Fascism, you mean!

To the Fascist there are only 2 groups, themselves and "the enemy." And we all know where that leads.

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
Adolf Hitler

What are you doing here???

Oh...Rush is off today.



Now, for some information re: fascism.

a. Did you know that FDR's New Deal, Hitler's National Socialism, and Mussolini's fascism were strikingly similar?

b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.”
Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.

c. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.

d. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.



You should be more careful with your use of 'fascism.'
You've made a dunce of yourself again, haven't you.

Claiming that Libs are just as Fascist as you does not make you any less Fascist.

Did you see this:

"The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” ...


None of which pertains to me.

To you, the term 'fascist' means "You be bad."

To literate folks, it has a more specific meaning.

Dunce.

 

[edthecynic]

What are you doing here???

Oh...Rush is off today.



Now, for some information re: fascism.

a. Did you know that FDR's New Deal, Hitler's National Socialism, and Mussolini's fascism were strikingly similar?

b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.”
Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.

c. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.

d. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.



You should be more careful with your use of 'fascism.'
You've made a dunce of yourself again, haven't you.

Claiming that Libs are just as Fascist as you does not make you any less Fascist.

Did you see this:

"The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” ...


None of which pertains to me.

To you, the term 'fascist' means "You be bad."

To literate folks, it has a more specific meaning.

Dunce.

A quote from some know-it-all pontificating BS does not settle anything.

Whereas YOU, your MessiahRushie, and O'Sullivan practicing Fascism, as advised by your "leader of genius," settles everything. You have been caught in the act of BEING a Fascist and all you can do is divert and insult.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause."
- Victor Hugo

 

[PoliticalChic]

Claiming that Libs are just as Fascist as you does not make you any less Fascist.

Did you see this:

"The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” ...


None of which pertains to me.

To you, the term 'fascist' means "You be bad."

To literate folks, it has a more specific meaning.

Dunce.

A quote from some know-it-all pontificating BS does not settle anything.

Whereas YOU, your MessiahRushie, and O'Sullivan practicing Fascism, as advised by your "leader of genius," settles everything. You have been caught in the act of BEING a Fascist and all you can do is divert and insult.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause."
- Victor Hugo

"A quote from some know-it-all pontificating BS does not settle anything."

I see your point....attention must be paid to the pronouncements of a scholar such as yourself.


Hey.....any of these count?

a. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”

b. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’

c. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”

d. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”

 

[edthecynic]

Did you see this:

"The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” ...


None of which pertains to me.

To you, the term 'fascist' means "You be bad."

To literate folks, it has a more specific meaning.

Dunce.

A quote from some know-it-all pontificating BS does not settle anything.

Whereas YOU, your MessiahRushie, and O'Sullivan practicing Fascism, as advised by your "leader of genius," settles everything. You have been caught in the act of BEING a Fascist and all you can do is divert and insult.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause."
- Victor Hugo

"A quote from some know-it-all pontificating BS does not settle anything."

I see your point....attention must be paid to the pronouncements of a scholar such as yourself.


Hey.....any of these count?

a. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”

b. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’

c. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”

d. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”

I made no pronouncements. I cited actual Fascists explaining their techniques.

Your latest crop of Nazi propaganda doesn't count either. They are obvious rationalizations, to be swallowed by fools, in an attempt to convince them that polar opposites like Liberalism and Fascism are somehow compatible in order to win US support, or at least neutrality, for German aggression.

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism,
both in the political and the economic sphere.
BENITO MUSSOLINI

 

[PoliticalChic]

A quote from some know-it-all pontificating BS does not settle anything.

Whereas YOU, your MessiahRushie, and O'Sullivan practicing Fascism, as advised by your "leader of genius," settles everything. You have been caught in the act of BEING a Fascist and all you can do is divert and insult.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause."
- Victor Hugo

"A quote from some know-it-all pontificating BS does not settle anything."

I see your point....attention must be paid to the pronouncements of a scholar such as yourself.


Hey.....any of these count?

a. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”

b. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’

c. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”

d. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”

I made no pronouncements. I cited actual Fascists explaining their techniques.

Your latest crop of Nazi propaganda doesn't count either. They are obvious rationalizations, to be swallowed by fools, in an attempt to convince them that polar opposites like Liberalism and Fascism are somehow compatible in order to win US support, or at least neutrality, for German aggression.

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism,
both in the political and the economic sphere.
BENITO MUSSOLINI

There has nary been a better example a brain-washed.....in your case, brain-flushed.....individual than yourself.


The progressives/liberals were hand in glove with the fascists and nazis until the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed....then they beat a rapid retreat, using the schools and media to pretend that it was the conservatives who were so linked.

And with the ability to think....did that hurt?...realize that the doctrines of conservatives hardly fit with the New Deal, the National Socialists, or the fascists.

These doctrines are individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

 

[edthecynic]

"A quote from some know-it-all pontificating BS does not settle anything."

I see your point....attention must be paid to the pronouncements of a scholar such as yourself.


Hey.....any of these count?

a. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”

b. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’

c. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”

d. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”

I made no pronouncements. I cited actual Fascists explaining their techniques.

Your latest crop of Nazi propaganda doesn't count either. They are obvious rationalizations, to be swallowed by fools, in an attempt to convince them that polar opposites like Liberalism and Fascism are somehow compatible in order to win US support, or at least neutrality, for German aggression.

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism,
both in the political and the economic sphere.
BENITO MUSSOLINI

There has nary been a better example a brain-washed.....in your case, brain-flushed.....individual than yourself.


The progressives/liberals were hand in glove with the fascists and nazis until the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed....then they beat a rapid retreat, using the schools and media to pretend that it was the conservatives who were so linked.

And with the ability to think....did that hurt?...realize that the doctrines of conservatives hardly fit with the New Deal, the National Socialists, or the fascists.

These doctrines are individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Sure, Hitler and Mussolini have no idea what Fascism is compared to you.

And according to CON$ervoFascist doctrine you are an individual only when you conform to CON$ervatism, markets are free to be monopolies, and government is limited to say who you can marry and what you can do in your bedroom.

 

[konradv]

I know a homeschool mom who was teaching her son American history, using Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States," totally unaware that he was a communist, and a foe of this nation.

He never claimed to be a Communist. He called himself a "democratic socialist". He said,

"I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name."

Howard Zinn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist.

Get an education.

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s 423 pages on historian and self-described “democratic socialist” Howard Zinn, released Friday morning, outline a record of investigation spanning 25 years, beginning in 1949 with his alleged involvement in communist front groups.

An internal memo dated March 9, 1949, recommended that Zinn’s first FBI Security Index Card be swiped with two X marks—one indicating he was born in the United States, and the other identifying him as a communist. A confidential informant within the ALP had previously told FBI officials that at a picket in Washington, D.C., in 1948, Zinn divulged that he was a member of the Communist Party and regularly attended party meetings.

“Zinn said that he had participated in the activities of various organizations which might be considered Communist fronts but that his participation was motivated by his belief that in this country people had the right to believe, think and act according to their own ideals,” the files say."
Howard Zinn?s FBI Files Reveal Communist Allegations - The Daily Beast

For a taste of Zinn's view of America...from his interview by Dennis Prager:

DP: So do you feel that, by and large, the Zarqawi-world and the Bush-world are moral equivalents?
HZinn: I do. I would put Bush on trial along with Saddam Hussein, because I think both of them are responsible for the deaths of many, many people in Iraq, and so, yes, I think that. Killing innocent people is immoral when Iraqis do it, and when we do it, it is the same thing. What the left thinks: Howard Zinn, Part II - Dennis Prager - [page]


Good source for teaching children American history?

"Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist."
Shall I await your apology?

Alleged involvement from an un-named source? I think you're the one that needs to apologize. You remind me of the John Birch Society. They didn't believe in a non-Communist left either. Why should I apologize when you're the one that automatically labels the Jew as a Communist. I think I get the Super(wo)man reference now.

 

[jasonnfree]

I know a homeschool mom who was teaching her son American history, using Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States," totally unaware that he was a communist, and a foe of this nation.

He never claimed to be a Communist. He called himself a "democratic socialist". He said,

"I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name."

Howard Zinn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist.

Get an education.

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s 423 pages on historian and self-described “democratic socialist” Howard Zinn, released Friday morning, outline a record of investigation spanning 25 years, beginning in 1949 with his alleged involvement in communist front groups.

An internal memo dated March 9, 1949, recommended that Zinn’s first FBI Security Index Card be swiped with two X marks—one indicating he was born in the United States, and the other identifying him as a communist. A confidential informant within the ALP had previously told FBI officials that at a picket in Washington, D.C., in 1948, Zinn divulged that he was a member of the Communist Party and regularly attended party meetings.

“Zinn said that he had participated in the activities of various organizations which might be considered Communist fronts but that his participation was motivated by his belief that in this country people had the right to believe, think and act according to their own ideals,” the files say."
Howard Zinn?s FBI Files Reveal Communist Allegations - The Daily Beast



For a taste of Zinn's view of America...from his interview by Dennis Prager:

DP: So do you feel that, by and large, the Zarqawi-world and the Bush-world are moral equivalents?
HZinn: I do. I would put Bush on trial along with Saddam Hussein, because I think both of them are responsible for the deaths of many, many people in Iraq, and so, yes, I think that. Killing innocent people is immoral when Iraqis do it, and when we do it, it is the same thing. What the left thinks: Howard Zinn, Part II - Dennis Prager - [page]


Good source for teaching children American history?

"Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist."
Shall I await your apology?

Seems like a pretty good source for teaching children. They're taught in school we're all equal under the law so let's put it too work. If bush caused the murder of hundreds of thousands, put him on trial. Vince Bugliosi wrote a pretty good book about how he would try bush for murder. So, Zinn was investigated by the FBI. No trial but now he's a bad guy. Authoritarian thinking here and you guys accuse the left of being fascists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

He never claimed to be a Communist. He called himself a "democratic socialist". He said,

"I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name."

Howard Zinn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist.

Get an education.

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s 423 pages on historian and self-described “democratic socialist” Howard Zinn, released Friday morning, outline a record of investigation spanning 25 years, beginning in 1949 with his alleged involvement in communist front groups.

An internal memo dated March 9, 1949, recommended that Zinn’s first FBI Security Index Card be swiped with two X marks—one indicating he was born in the United States, and the other identifying him as a communist. A confidential informant within the ALP had previously told FBI officials that at a picket in Washington, D.C., in 1948, Zinn divulged that he was a member of the Communist Party and regularly attended party meetings.

“Zinn said that he had participated in the activities of various organizations which might be considered Communist fronts but that his participation was motivated by his belief that in this country people had the right to believe, think and act according to their own ideals,” the files say."
Howard Zinn?s FBI Files Reveal Communist Allegations - The Daily Beast

For a taste of Zinn's view of America...from his interview by Dennis Prager:

DP: So do you feel that, by and large, the Zarqawi-world and the Bush-world are moral equivalents?
HZinn: I do. I would put Bush on trial along with Saddam Hussein, because I think both of them are responsible for the deaths of many, many people in Iraq, and so, yes, I think that. Killing innocent people is immoral when Iraqis do it, and when we do it, it is the same thing. What the left thinks: Howard Zinn, Part II - Dennis Prager - [page]


Good source for teaching children American history?

"Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist."
Shall I await your apology?

Alleged involvement from an un-named source? I think you're the one that needs to apologize. You remind me of the John Birch Society. They didn't believe in a non-Communist left either. Why should I apologize when you're the one that automatically labels the Jew as a Communist. I think I get the Super(wo)man reference now.

" Why should I apologize when you're the one that automatically labels the Jew as a Communist."

The only one who mentioned "Jew" is you.


Isn't that the case?

And didn't you do so to intimidate me because I was able to eviscerate your claim?

I'm not able to be intimidated.

And you remain a miserable cur.

 

[PoliticalChic]

He never claimed to be a Communist. He called himself a "democratic socialist". He said,

"I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name."

Howard Zinn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist.

Get an education.

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s 423 pages on historian and self-described “democratic socialist” Howard Zinn, released Friday morning, outline a record of investigation spanning 25 years, beginning in 1949 with his alleged involvement in communist front groups.

An internal memo dated March 9, 1949, recommended that Zinn’s first FBI Security Index Card be swiped with two X marks—one indicating he was born in the United States, and the other identifying him as a communist. A confidential informant within the ALP had previously told FBI officials that at a picket in Washington, D.C., in 1948, Zinn divulged that he was a member of the Communist Party and regularly attended party meetings.

“Zinn said that he had participated in the activities of various organizations which might be considered Communist fronts but that his participation was motivated by his belief that in this country people had the right to believe, think and act according to their own ideals,” the files say."
Howard Zinn?s FBI Files Reveal Communist Allegations - The Daily Beast



For a taste of Zinn's view of America...from his interview by Dennis Prager:

DP: So do you feel that, by and large, the Zarqawi-world and the Bush-world are moral equivalents?
HZinn: I do. I would put Bush on trial along with Saddam Hussein, because I think both of them are responsible for the deaths of many, many people in Iraq, and so, yes, I think that. Killing innocent people is immoral when Iraqis do it, and when we do it, it is the same thing. What the left thinks: Howard Zinn, Part II - Dennis Prager - [page]


Good source for teaching children American history?

"Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist."
Shall I await your apology?

Seems like a pretty good source for teaching children. They're taught in school we're all equal under the law so let's put it too work. If bush caused the murder of hundreds of thousands, put him on trial. Vince Bugliosi wrote a pretty good book about how he would try bush for murder. So, Zinn was investigated by the FBI. No trial but now he's a bad guy. Authoritarian thinking here and you guys accuse the left of being fascists.

I'd call you a fool, but that would be an insult to fools.
You'd need another brain just to be a half-wit.


Would I be correct in guessing that you are an issue of government schooling?

 

[Sallow]

Fuck socialism...and Zinn. Central planning is evil, whether you call it socialism, communism, fascism, or 'Let's everyone hold hands and sing kumbayaism'.

Socialists are responsible for a lot of things we take for granted now, the forty-hour work week, paid vacations, minimum wages, workplace safety laws, food safety laws, etc. It's not all about central planning and "kumbaya". If anything it's the libertarians that a guilty of most of the "kumbaya" thinking these days, i.e. "just trust us and everything will turn out great".

I've NEVER worked as little as 40 hours in a week. Paid vacations are not mandated by law. Minimum wage hurts the most vulnerable in our society. Workplace safety need not involve government other than a court system. Food safety need only be demanded by consumers...private rating/review/feedback organizations are far more effective in allowing the people to regulate with their dollars than any lazy ass bureaucracy. Free people in a free society making decision freely will ALWAYS produce superior results compared to central planners. Fuck Zinn, fuck socialism, and fuck you.

Report: As many as 35 killed in Texas plant explosion - CNN.com
BP Official Says He Wasn?t to Blame for Rig Explosion - Bloomberg
Food poisonings up from raw milk, poultry bacteria

You seriously are out of touch.

 

[Sallow]

He never claimed to be a Communist. He called himself a "democratic socialist". He said,

"I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name."

Howard Zinn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist.

Get an education.

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s 423 pages on historian and self-described “democratic socialist” Howard Zinn, released Friday morning, outline a record of investigation spanning 25 years, beginning in 1949 with his alleged involvement in communist front groups.

An internal memo dated March 9, 1949, recommended that Zinn’s first FBI Security Index Card be swiped with two X marks—one indicating he was born in the United States, and the other identifying him as a communist. A confidential informant within the ALP had previously told FBI officials that at a picket in Washington, D.C., in 1948, Zinn divulged that he was a member of the Communist Party and regularly attended party meetings.

“Zinn said that he had participated in the activities of various organizations which might be considered Communist fronts but that his participation was motivated by his belief that in this country people had the right to believe, think and act according to their own ideals,” the files say."
Howard Zinn?s FBI Files Reveal Communist Allegations - The Daily Beast

For a taste of Zinn's view of America...from his interview by Dennis Prager:

DP: So do you feel that, by and large, the Zarqawi-world and the Bush-world are moral equivalents?
HZinn: I do. I would put Bush on trial along with Saddam Hussein, because I think both of them are responsible for the deaths of many, many people in Iraq, and so, yes, I think that. Killing innocent people is immoral when Iraqis do it, and when we do it, it is the same thing. What the left thinks: Howard Zinn, Part II - Dennis Prager - [page]


Good source for teaching children American history?

"Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist."
Shall I await your apology?

Alleged involvement from an un-named source? I think you're the one that needs to apologize. You remind me of the John Birch Society. They didn't believe in a non-Communist left either. Why should I apologize when you're the one that automatically labels the Jew as a Communist. I think I get the Super(wo)man reference now.

It's a Nietzsche thing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Get an education.

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s 423 pages on historian and self-described “democratic socialist” Howard Zinn, released Friday morning, outline a record of investigation spanning 25 years, beginning in 1949 with his alleged involvement in communist front groups.

An internal memo dated March 9, 1949, recommended that Zinn’s first FBI Security Index Card be swiped with two X marks—one indicating he was born in the United States, and the other identifying him as a communist. A confidential informant within the ALP had previously told FBI officials that at a picket in Washington, D.C., in 1948, Zinn divulged that he was a member of the Communist Party and regularly attended party meetings.

“Zinn said that he had participated in the activities of various organizations which might be considered Communist fronts but that his participation was motivated by his belief that in this country people had the right to believe, think and act according to their own ideals,” the files say."
Howard Zinn?s FBI Files Reveal Communist Allegations - The Daily Beast

For a taste of Zinn's view of America...from his interview by Dennis Prager:

DP: So do you feel that, by and large, the Zarqawi-world and the Bush-world are moral equivalents?
HZinn: I do. I would put Bush on trial along with Saddam Hussein, because I think both of them are responsible for the deaths of many, many people in Iraq, and so, yes, I think that. Killing innocent people is immoral when Iraqis do it, and when we do it, it is the same thing. What the left thinks: Howard Zinn, Part II - Dennis Prager - [page]


Good source for teaching children American history?

"Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist."
Shall I await your apology?

Alleged involvement from an un-named source? I think you're the one that needs to apologize. You remind me of the John Birch Society. They didn't believe in a non-Communist left either. Why should I apologize when you're the one that automatically labels the Jew as a Communist. I think I get the Super(wo)man reference now.

It's a Nietzsche thing.

What a coincidence!
I mention 'miserable cur' and you pop up.


You know very well I never called you miserable.

 

[jasonnfree]

Get an education.

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s 423 pages on historian and self-described “democratic socialist” Howard Zinn, released Friday morning, outline a record of investigation spanning 25 years, beginning in 1949 with his alleged involvement in communist front groups.

An internal memo dated March 9, 1949, recommended that Zinn’s first FBI Security Index Card be swiped with two X marks—one indicating he was born in the United States, and the other identifying him as a communist. A confidential informant within the ALP had previously told FBI officials that at a picket in Washington, D.C., in 1948, Zinn divulged that he was a member of the Communist Party and regularly attended party meetings.

“Zinn said that he had participated in the activities of various organizations which might be considered Communist fronts but that his participation was motivated by his belief that in this country people had the right to believe, think and act according to their own ideals,” the files say."
Howard Zinn?s FBI Files Reveal Communist Allegations - The Daily Beast



For a taste of Zinn's view of America...from his interview by Dennis Prager:

DP: So do you feel that, by and large, the Zarqawi-world and the Bush-world are moral equivalents?
HZinn: I do. I would put Bush on trial along with Saddam Hussein, because I think both of them are responsible for the deaths of many, many people in Iraq, and so, yes, I think that. Killing innocent people is immoral when Iraqis do it, and when we do it, it is the same thing. What the left thinks: Howard Zinn, Part II - Dennis Prager - [page]


Good source for teaching children American history?

"Shame on you. Just because someone's Jewish, it doesn't automatically make them a Communist."
Shall I await your apology?

Seems like a pretty good source for teaching children. They're taught in school we're all equal under the law so let's put it too work. If bush caused the murder of hundreds of thousands, put him on trial. Vince Bugliosi wrote a pretty good book about how he would try bush for murder. So, Zinn was investigated by the FBI. No trial but now he's a bad guy. Authoritarian thinking here and you guys accuse the left of being fascists.

I'd call you a fool, but that would be an insult to fools.
You'd need another brain just to be a half-wit.


Would I be correct in guessing that you are an issue of government schooling?

You didn't answer, just insulted. Let's see if you can form a better response. You know the reason for going into Iraq was for WMD's that weren't found, don't you? There is some pretty good evidence that the WMD's were lies to get us into a war. Shouldn't there at least be an investigation when so many Iraqis and US military troops were killed? I mean Wesley Snipes got prison time for a lousy misdemeanor..
If the FBI investigates someone does that mean that that person's guilty in your world view? Government schooling. Yes, I'm guilty. Also guilty of thinking things out. Some of my government teachers introduced us to books back in the 50's. Seeing as how your thousands of posts are mostly copy and paste or giving flippant remarks to posts that don't fit your world view, I'm not sure what kind of schooling you're an issue of. You didn't inform us. Public, private, parochial? Were you punished for thinking outside the box and exhibiting tendencies to not believe everything you read so you found out it was easier to conform? This would be a good basis for your authoritarian and non critical thinking.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Seems like a pretty good source for teaching children. They're taught in school we're all equal under the law so let's put it too work. If bush caused the murder of hundreds of thousands, put him on trial. Vince Bugliosi wrote a pretty good book about how he would try bush for murder. So, Zinn was investigated by the FBI. No trial but now he's a bad guy. Authoritarian thinking here and you guys accuse the left of being fascists.

I'd call you a fool, but that would be an insult to fools.
You'd need another brain just to be a half-wit.


Would I be correct in guessing that you are an issue of government schooling?

You didn't answer, just insulted. Let's see if you can form a better response. You know the reason for going into Iraq was for WMD's that weren't found, don't you? There is some pretty good evidence that the WMD's were lies to get us into a war. Shouldn't there at least be an investigation when so many Iraqis and US military troops were killed? I mean Wesley Snipes got prison time for a lousy misdemeanor..
If the FBI investigates someone does that mean that that person's guilty in your world view? Government schooling. Yes, I'm guilty. Also guilty of thinking things out. Some of my government teachers introduced us to books back in the 50's. Seeing as how your thousands of posts are mostly copy and paste or giving flippant remarks to posts that don't fit your world view, I'm not sure what kind of schooling you're an issue of. You didn't inform us. Public, private, parochial? Were you punished for thinking outside the box and exhibiting tendencies to not believe everything you read so you found out it was easier to conform? This would be a good basis for your authoritarian and non critical thinking.

"Also guilty of thinking things out." Hardly.
Government teachers...?
Your education ....rife with elisions….
It seems you avoid learning like a blonde avoids showers at the Bates Motel.


"Let's see if you can form a better response."

OK...how's this:

I think I’ve got your problem figured out….your prostate is bigger than your brain.

Or.....did you want the good news?
... you aren’t steeped in original sin…since you obviously haven’t eaten of the tree of knowledge.



Anyone who has written of an avowed America-hater "Seems like a pretty good source for teaching children." is far, far too stupid to sing Happy Birthday at a party without a lyric sheet.

That would be you.

 

[Grandma]

It amuses me that a fascist is warning us about "communism".