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You have shown that to be your opinion, nothing else
[nd we have shown SO many times that the general welfare 'clause' that you guys love to use in an incomplete phrase, does not grant that power
Show the specific power granted in the constitution.. should be simple if it is there... just point out the complete phrase that grants the specific power... we'll be waiting
A catch-phrase I hear a lot is how government should be run "like a business". WHY?????
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." (Margaret Thatcher)
DiaperMire, that means absolutely nothing in relation to the discussion.
A catch-phrase I hear a lot is how government should be run "like a business". WHY?????
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." (Margaret Thatcher)
Romney said of Obama, he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government
workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not
get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. Its time for us to cut back
on government and help the American people.
YOU made the allegation.
YOU have to give evidence that your allegation is solid.
YOU have not done so.
You have shown that to be your opinion, nothing else
Show the specific power granted in the constitution.. should be simple if it is there... just point out the complete phrase that grants the specific power... we'll be waiting
The power company is a federally owned and operated thing??
Ehh.. wrong answer
Government does not prop up nor control whether a company is specifically able to do its business... It secures the laws of commerce, the security of commerce, and the freedom of commerce within the law
No. But neither is Delta or US Air. And the Feds put armed men on there to secure it in the name of interstate commerce, right? The Federal Govt doesn't own the SC State Port in Charleston, but the Feds provide policing for it through DHS.
You aren't being consistent.
Are those people/marshals providing the commerce?? You expect them to fly in a plane next to the passenger plane?? Are they restoring service if the plane has a problem?
You are getting way off base on this
YOU made the allegation.
YOU have to give evidence that your allegation is solid.
YOU have not done so.
Show the specific power granted in the constitution.. should be simple if it is there... just point out the complete phrase that grants the specific power... we'll be waiting
My evidence, as I have posted numerous times in numerous threads... the specific and complete wording of Article 1 section 8 and the 10th amendment...
Now.. you're up... show the specific writing and phrase that gives the power you state is held by government
Take a simple business approach to federal budgets. Let's say each department has a budget but each is supposed to end the year with a "profit.' That would be unheard of because right now, everyone in each department spends every penny of their budget or goes over.
But if government was run as a business, it would be manditory to end with a profit, or the Department Secretary would be fired. Each complimenting Department Director would be fired if he didn't come up with a profit in his area.
All of the sudden, emphasis would be put on watch dog waste abuses, nonsense trips for public relations and rewarding workers, overspending for questionable furniture and office space, unproductive or duplicative programs etc.
The "profits" at the end of the year would go to paying down the debt. And all would keep their jobs. Adjust the budget each fiscal year to accomodate the needs of each department.
And I have pointed out since you are not an accepted Constitutional scholar and authority, you have to do far more than posting the part of the Constitution and thinking that ends the argument.
You pull that in law school and you will be peddling door to door insurance within a week.
YOU made the allegation.
YOU have to give evidence that your allegation is solid.
YOU have not done so.
My evidence, as I have posted numerous times in numerous threads... the specific and complete wording of Article 1 section 8 and the 10th amendment...
Now.. you're up... show the specific writing and phrase that gives the power you state is held by government
And I have pointed out since you are not an accepted Constitutional scholar and authority, you have to do far more than posting the part of the Constitution and thinking that ends the argument.
You pull that in law school and you will be peddling door to door insurance within a week.
My evidence, as I have posted numerous times in numerous threads... the specific and complete wording of Article 1 section 8 and the 10th amendment...
Now.. you're up... show the specific writing and phrase that gives the power you state is held by government
It does not take a law scholar to understand plain fucking English...
The numerated powers that are granted are SPECIFIC... it is not that government has unlimited powers and the exceptions need to be listed... it is indeed the opposite...
The wording and the specifics are clear... unless you have an agenda where you want the powers of government expanded without going thru the amendment process, which is also specifically laid out
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; NOTICE THE SEMICOLON, not a period, to continue to the list of what congress is specifically empowered to do
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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The on to amendment 10, which is also very easy to understand
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Take a simple business approach to federal budgets. Let's say each department has a budget but each is supposed to end the year with a "profit.' That would be unheard of because right now, everyone in each department spends every penny of their budget or goes over.
But if government was run as a business, it would be manditory to end with a profit, or the Department Secretary would be fired. Each complimenting Department Director would be fired if he didn't come up with a profit in his area.
All of the sudden, emphasis would be put on watch dog waste abuses, nonsense trips for public relations and rewarding workers, overspending for questionable furniture and office space, unproductive or duplicative programs etc.
The "profits" at the end of the year would go to paying down the debt. And all would keep their jobs. Adjust the budget each fiscal year to accomodate the needs of each department.
But you are not a constitutional scholar or authority.
Give us some law that supports your points.
And I have pointed out since you are not an accepted Constitutional scholar and authority, you have to do far more than posting the part of the Constitution and thinking that ends the argument.
You pull that in law school and you will be peddling door to door insurance within a week.
It does not take a law scholar to understand plain fucking English...
The numerated powers that are granted are SPECIFIC... it is not that government has unlimited powers and the exceptions need to be listed... it is indeed the opposite...
The wording and the specifics are clear... unless you have an agenda where you want the powers of government expanded without going thru the amendment process, which is also specifically laid out
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; NOTICE THE SEMICOLON, not a period, to continue to the list of what congress is specifically empowered to do
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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The on to amendment 10, which is also very easy to understand
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
diamonddave fails in his argument. If he tried this in a high school class much less school, he would be led to the front door and academic exile.
You are entitled to your opinion but have no right to enforce your silliness on us.
How long until the op creates a new account?
diamonddave fails in his argument. If he tried this in a high school class much less school, he would be led to the front door and academic exile.
You are entitled to your opinion but have no right to enforce your silliness on us.
Actually all you have done is say he needs to prove it then when he does you disregard it. You have provided no counter argument whatsoever. So make your case then if you want to win us all over and dazzle us with your knowledge of the law.
