Government Programs That Work

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  1. Orange_Juice
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    My nephew is a great example of government doing good. All through his school years his great teachers helped him to succeed and with the help of college aid he got through school with flying colors, went into the army for four years as an officer and is now one of the most important people in an engineering firm. He is a prime example of government doing well.

    My grandmother two years ago had her hip replaced and is doing real well, thanks to medicare which took care of her, thank God! What would we have done had the government not been there to care for her in that tragic moment of need?

    I have at least six family members enjoying a comfortable retirement on social security

    It's six degrees below zero here today and I know there are people across America staying warm right now as I write this because government is helping them with their heating bills. Think of the misery those people would be in right now if they didn't get that help. The evil people out there that would heartlessly cut off the funding should be dragged out in the snow, stripped bare and left to die. They are just scum.

    Did everyone see those rescue crews yesrterday save those people on that plane in the Hudson? Government workers they were.

    Government just works

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    Every day individuals ALSO helped out in NY.... water taxis... individuals just around on the scene... and all should be commended... whether they are hired as public servants in fire departments, Coast Guard, police, etc.. or if they just felt the need to help in a crisis and it was not their job to do so

    And here's a novel idea.. help your own family out, your elders, etc... what did my family do when my maternal grandmother had hip and knee replacements and the medicare/medicaid programs did not provide all things? We helped with bills. We helped in getting her a motorized chair to use while she was rehab-ing. We helped and made sure she had a ramp to the front door and a motorized chair for her basement stairs...

    And when it comes to your nephew... teachers doing their job that they are paid to do is a good thing... public school for minors is a good thing.... his volunteer service in the military is a good thing.. and if he earned scholarships or got student loans, that would be good things... but just handouts for the sake of handouts for education or anything else is not a job of the government... if a student truly wants it, they will work their way thru or earn a scholarship

    As for heat... or housing or anything else... sounds like it is a personal need that you or anyone else has... and if you got to work a second or even third job to pay for the things you need in your life, so be it.. and if you feel the need to voluntarily help out charities that give a leg up to those in need for heating oil or whatever, great... that is your choice to support such a charity... it is noble to do so.... but it is not a function of the government to take your personal responsibilities over

    Government programs for 'entitlements' are still some of the most inefficient and corrupt systems out there... let alone intruding into places of personal responsibility of individuals that is not a function of government in a free society

    Government programs for military and national defense, where we have our soldiers doing their jobs and being trained for the future as well as for the job they are hired to do... all great... but that is a primary charge of the government to provide for the common defense
     
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    Then nominate republicans, and make it your party's national platform to eliminate social security, medicare, medicaid, and children's SCHIP health insurance. And make it clear to americans that you only want pentagon spending.

    I'm cool with that. That would be fucking awesome
     
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    Only want Pentagon spending? Nope... nice try.. Spending on the actual operations of government... Congress, courts, law enforcement, infrastructure, etc....

    Eliminate social security as it sits currently? Hell yes.. .It's not a slush fund for Presidents to dip into at their leisure... It has been warped away from an insurance program for those who are old and cannot work... But personally I would be doing better investing the same money deducted on my own... Even if a portion were still taken to pay for those currently in the system....

    And yes.. I do support charities for children in need of medical care over anything the government provides.. and I support those charities personally, including St. Jude's as well as local charities helping pay the bills of very ill children.. we're the most generous people on the planet and would be more so if our tax dollars were not mismanaged in government systems that inefficiently attempt to do the same job thanks to bureaucracy, greed, power seeking, etc... if the government were on the list ranking how charities line up on efficiency (what % of donations actually get to the cause not not overhead), it would be the lowest ranked on the list

    And I support regulation of the insurance industry so that more people can actually include 'dependent' parents and grandparents on the health plans they have... no different than a child of yours under your personal care and people should be allowed to have the option of claiming their elderly family members... that would be change I fully support...

    As for medical care for able bodied and able minded adults who are perfectly capable of providing for themselves, EVEN IF THEY DON'T.... nope.. that is what charities and personal responsibilities are for.. they don't take care of themselves... tough shit.. that is their responsibility and their choice
     
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    Yes, we have to fight back when the GOP tries to say that government is the problem. It is, when they run it.

    And yes, Republicans seem to pretend they didn't get any help along the way, regardless of if it was their daddy or the government. So if they got help from daddy, then the government should help the people who don't have the luxury of asking daddy.

    Republicans act like they were abandoned in the woods and made it like Tarzan did.

    But even Tarzan got help from the apes. If they didn't help, he would have died.

    Remember the GOP bashed Hillary when she said, "it takes a village to raise a child". Republicans raised such a stink about that. So clearly they don't get it.


    Ps. I heard yesterday that Bush's approval ratings first started to go down when he mentioned privatizing social security.

    PPS. Notice the last 8 years. The GOP are more than ok with the government taking the losses from the "free market", but they want to privatize the profits. So our government the last few years has taken all the losses from Bushanomics and Corporate America has taken all the profits. And somehow they lost all the money? What the fuck!!!

    No wonder government doesn't work.

    Bush seemed determined to prove the government doesn't work.

    PPPS. They also socialized the losses and privatized the profits when it came to Iraq. The soldiers took all the casualties and blackwater took all the profits. We paid for the reconstruction and the oil companies are taking all the profits.

    Maybe we should privatize the army too? :cuckoo:
     
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    Yeah... NOBODY every worked their way to success :rolleyes:

    You fucking moron
     
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    No one ever said that, fucking moron. What I said is that you have forgotten all the people/breaks that you got along the way.

    I don't know you or your stinking life, but I assure you that you that someone has helped you along the way.

    And so, not everyone is as fortunate as you. For those people, we have government.

    Don't cry because you never needed welfare. One day you might, and that's what it is there for. And don't be a whiny bitch about others who do get it. Because they didn't get the same breaks you got along the way.

    The breaks you deny ever getting.
     
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    As Dave and numerous other republicans have pointed out, they hate Medicare, Social Security, SCHIP, and medicaid, and they want to eliminate it. They pretty much hate everything in the government except the Pentagon.

    You're right. Why in the fuck would you hire someone, to run government programs and who has a self professed hatred for them and wants to eliminate them?

    That's just fucking stupid. Would General Motors hire a CEO who hated the company and wanted to eliminate it?

    This is why republicans suck and governance, and why corruption is rampant on their watch. They don't give a shit about competent government.
     
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    Breaks??? Never took welfare, or a grant, or any entitlement... worked ungodly hours, trained on my own time, enlisted and served....

    That is not getting breaks from someone else... that is doing something about your situation

    And if I ever need help... I'll help myself.... and I'll do whatever I have to do... I don't take handouts

    And don't give me that bullshit that 'everybody can't do it'.... it's libs like yourself who think that people are incapable without big mommy government.. you love to have them reliant on mommy government to keep them loyal to those giving the handout and punishing success

    And the funny thing is we don't want to bring down the government or get rid of it... just bring it back to what it is supposed to be, instead of trying to morph it into a nanny state provider

    Competent government is not government so big and in control of every aspect of your personal life....
     
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    Meanwhile YOU support the continued theft of Social Security Funds by Government ever year, replaced with IOU's that they won't have the money to pay back when it is time to cash them. You support the Medicare system that almost never delivers what it promises and costs keep sky rocketing. You support the Illegal take over of our Public Schools by the Federal Government, which has lead to less education, less teachers and more Admin and paper pushers to fill out all the paper work required by the Federal Government.

    Make that YOUR pledge and I will be happy also.
     

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